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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2007, 09:56:29 PM »
This guy is straight up ignorant and I can accept alot of bullshit, but when it comes to Hip Hop, I start to catch feelings. That's why usually I ignore this shit, but for him to go at Nas like that, nah.

I understand you're passionate, but you got to realize this is an old nerdy white dude sayin this shit about rap

you should never expect a guy like Bill O'Reilly to understand things of this generation made for younger people, especially when it comes to hip hop




Well he did pick the right Nas song to critic i guess...

With that said i agree with what i quoted here.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2007, 10:39:18 PM »
How can O'Reilly say that he even bothered to research Nas or listen to his music enough to make an argument against him if he can't even pronunce his name right?
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2007, 10:59:42 PM »
LOL @ bill oreilly comparing nas and stephen king. what an idiot.

He wasn't comparing the two. He was just saying that he wouldn't even have a fiction author that writes sick violence for fun at a place like this at this time.

You guys should be thanking O'Reilly. I'm upset because this may start giving Nas a lot of publicity and the less I hear from him the better.

You cannot however deny that while he was far from the worst at it he latched on to the street persona and lifestyle for his whole career. He more often than not uses the streets and street violence to push his image among rap fans. Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.

That being said, I would never be offended by his appearance. I wouldn't dream of watching it, but that's because I think it would suck. I may want to see how good Dave Mathews Band is live. I've heard great things, and I might stick my head in to see John Mayer if he's playing Blues style. I guess the bottom line is that no one is being forced to watch this.

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2007, 11:15:13 PM »
Who cares about Fox News and Bil O'Reilly .... the best way to answer this guy is to ignore him ...
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2007, 11:19:53 PM »
they need to get me on there as a guest
i woulda put that bitch ass muthafucka in his place.

Nas is a great artist and performer and he would make a perfectly good to be a performer at VT, i just hope that nigga dont sing that song with "kill, kill, kill, and murder, murder, murder"
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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2007, 01:17:36 AM »
Nas' lyrics really are all over the place.  Some are very violent while others are uplifting, wise, and even spiritual.  But that's what a great artist does.  He has great range and he can stimulate your thoughts as well as any rapper.  He's always been one of my top 3 rappers.  As far as whether or not he's appropriate for the function he is attending, by rap standards Nas is easily considered a conscious rapper before he would be declared a gangsta rapper.  I think anybody that disagrees needs to listen to to his track "What Goes Around Comes Around" off Stillmatic.
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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2007, 02:18:59 AM »
Wow. I'm really at a loss for words after watching this. And I don't mean O'Reilly's vision on who and what Nas is - that was pure, uncut BS - but just this O'Reilly character in itself.

I had already heard of his reputation and had seen a few "debates" with him before, but after watching this video again, I start to wonder: how is it possible that they let someone like O'Reilly have his own show? When your job is to moderate a debate, then DO that. And at least have the decency to let someone finish speaking, even when you don't agree with them.

I can understand that you guys in the U.S. are used to seeing/hearing people like O'Reilly on TV (especially on Fox, I assume, since that's about as conservate/republican as you can get), but you have to also understand...us non-U.S. cats are literally amazed at finding out that such people have their own - popular! - talkshows on TV. I'm not blaming you U.S. people here, don't get me wrong here. I realize that O'Reilly is only out to start some shit each time. But damn...like I said, I'm at a loss for words.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2007, 05:41:21 AM »
lol a few quotes taken out of context and now "nazz" is one of the most violent rappers ever? get the fuck outta here. a lot of musicians from every genre have lyrics that could be taken as super violent when taken out of context but he's not bitching about Johnny Cash, etc.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2007, 07:41:03 AM »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


We don't know that he wouldn't have spoken out against Johnny Cash. Although comparing Nas with Cash is a bit much. Nas uses violence and street shit as an image of being cool. He promotes the lifestyle in the same way shows like the Sopranos do. Cash would sing about as a way of showing victims of circumstance or down and out losers of life. Also Cash never played his character. Nas at times over the years played the role of a man from the streets that has seen at all and done it all. Cash never claimed to shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die.


Fuck O'Reilly there is a reason why a group of students at that school dont want to here a "thug poet" or whatever Nas thinks he is and if it turns out that enough students don't him there then he won't be there.

If I were his manager I'd  get him to perform I Gave You Power followed by Get Yourself a Gun and hope that the students rush the stage. It would instantly make Nas a household name. If they instead just sing a long then it just shows how stupid they are.








LOL @ bill oreilly comparing nas and stephen king. what an idiot.

He wasn't comparing the two. He was just saying that he wouldn't even have a fiction author that writes sick violence for fun at a place like this at this time.

You guys should be thanking O'Reilly. I'm upset because this may start giving Nas a lot of publicity and the less I hear from him the better.

You cannot however deny that while he was far from the worst at it he latched on to the street persona and lifestyle for his whole career. He more often than not uses the streets and street violence to push his image among rap fans. Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.

That being said, I would never be offended by his appearance. I wouldn't dream of watching it, but that's because I think it would suck. I may want to see how good Dave Mathews Band is live. I've heard great things, and I might stick my head in to see John Mayer if he's playing Blues style. I guess the bottom line is that no one is being forced to watch this.

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Huh? What do you mean?
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2007, 08:04:11 AM »
Just because he has a few more popular songs that preach positive messages and his street songs aren't bad as Mobb Deep's or Eazy E's doesn't change the fact that many of Nas's songs are of negative street influence.

Honestly though, that's like the whole rap community.


How does that change anything? Because everyone is like that and Nas isn't as bad as most it's okay for him to be at a school after a shooting.

To be fair I think Nas would be very respectful when he's up there. I Can and If I Ruled The World will probably show up rather than Get Yourself a Gun. Though I do wonder how O'Reilly would have handled it if Nas was a pro-constitution patriot sing Get Yourself a Gun as a statement that if more people were armed then the shooting wouldn't have happened.

What I am trying to say that although O'Reilly is an idiot a lot of the time and may be a hypocrite he isn't wrong with saying Nas is a gangster rapper. He more than glorifies his street upbringing. He's not like K-OS from Canada or Will Smith. He likes the thug image and used it a lot through out his career and not just to appease the white devils that push that style. He used it to appease the street.


P.S. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Nas's publicist brought the complaint made by a few students just to get Nas in the media again.

They shouldn't even have a rapper perform period than, if that's the case. And I swear on everythang, EVERYTHANG, I knew Will Smith would be brought up. But that's like 1% out the community.

For God's sake, why don't put KRS-One as the performer, so than they could cry over '9mm Goes Bang' or 'Da Sound Of The Police'. It's ridiculous man.


You was like, 'well, since Nas glorified his lifestyle and has a street persona, he really shouldn't do this show', homie that's 99% of the community, becuz, yeah, that's Hip Hop, the streets, so this Bill O' Riley, no matter who it be, is gonna attack a rapper so why defend the man??
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2007, 08:27:35 AM »
This guy is a big joke. Nas a gangsta rapper...lol

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« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2007, 08:33:22 AM »
Everyone ignore Shallow.  He's been bringing up Nas constantly for years now as proof of why hip-hop sucks because he knows Nas is respected and that people gon respond to that.  But Nas is pretty much the ONLY good example he can come up with.  Anyway, he is no longer a useful poster and will have to be put down for insulting Allah.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2007, 11:39:55 AM »
what's even more disturbing is this so-called hip hop expert they selected not sayin Nas' name right.

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2007, 11:40:59 AM »
what's even more disturbing is this so-called hip hop expert they selected not sayin Nas' name right.

Yeah I noticed that. Peer pressure is a bitch.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2007, 05:49:01 PM »
Everyone ignore Shallow.  He's been bringing up Nas constantly for years now as proof of why hip-hop sucks because he knows Nas is respected and that people gon respond to that.  But Nas is pretty much the ONLY good example he can come up with.  Anyway, he is no longer a useful poster and will have to be put down for insulting Allah.



ONLY good example of what? I'm not quite following you.





And QuietTruth;

I don't care if Nas performs or not. Like I said if I was his manager I'd tell him to start with I Gave You Power and jump into Get Yourself a Gun just for all the publicity he'll get from that. I won't be offended either way. If the students that want this concert want him there then great, if they don't then he shouldn't be there. I'm not saying Bill O'reilly is right to say he shouldn't be there. I'm saying he's right to call him gangster rap. The fact remains that most of his songs are about thug shit. He may not be DMX but he's not Run DMC or the Beastie Boys either.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2007, 06:45:39 PM »
One day, Nas, Cam'ron, Luda. Lil' Kim, & Jay-z will perform @ a concert in celebration of Bill O'Reilly's death..........
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2007, 07:00:45 PM »
what's even more disturbing is this so-called hip hop expert they selected not sayin Nas' name right.

That's nothing new, they hardly ever get anyone decent to defend hip-hop on these shows.  Russel Simmons does an okay job of defending hip-hop sometimes. 

But really, the only dudes I've seen come on these shows and really defend hip-hop in the best way are the black nationalists types, like the leaders of the Kemetic (Egyptology) society, or Malik Shabazz of the Black Panther Party, or a 5% or Nation of Islam type of black intellectuals. 

And some rappers do well, like KRS-One for example.
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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2007, 07:10:48 PM »
One day, Nas, Cam'ron, Luda. Lil' Kim, & Jay-z will perform @ a concert in celebration of Bill O'Reilly's death..........
That concert would be fuckin huge, alot of people hate O'Reilly
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2007, 02:16:03 AM »
nas is a legend....billy can go fuck his himself
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2007, 03:10:09 AM »
"he has a gun conviction" ...he should have replied with "you have a phone sex conviction!"  and still they allow him on tv


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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2007, 05:07:03 AM »



Obviously we are all hip-hop fans or why else would we be all posting in here. As lovers of the genre we are in a better position to understand that the imagery is entirely for the sake of entertainment and that the words are not meant literally and are used as an expression of power. Gangsta rap was born out of MC battles where competing MCs had to destroy each other using their words. So essentially it is non-violent form of expression, the purpose of which is to encapsulate human emotions such as rage and anger and provide them with a non-physical outlet from which to manifest.

However, to the outsider, NaS seems to want to be both a political and social speaker but at the same time portray a mafioso character. The two are hard to reconcile and they are opposites. And in the political sphere it is normal for any weakness to be shoved under the magnifying glass, therefore I see that NaS was fair-game for O'Reilly. If NaS wants to be a public speaker and talk on gun violence then there are naturally things he needs to make clearer for the mainstream. But yeah, the attack on NaS was cheap by not getting a credible advocate for hip-hop on the show, the dude should of been credible as he had written a book on hip-hop, but that just highlights another point, that hip-hop has it's fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck. 
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2007, 09:54:15 AM »
hip-hop has it's fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck. 


hip-hop IS a fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck. 


Most of these the street rappers play the part year round. They want to call it art to critics and real to the street fans. I've said this before, but to me it's as ridiculous as Al Pacino if he was doing interviews in 82 promoting Sarface while staying in the Tony Montana character. It's just a shame that most of the public doesn't see that. For them it's like pre-1985 pro wrestling when all the media portrayed it as real and the wrestlers wouldn't dare call it fake. Most people had an idea that it was but the wrestlers would never appear out of character in interviews. If Nas wants to be seen as a poet, an author and artist then he and more rappers need to come out and say it, and say it again, and then say it one more time. "My name is Nasir Jones and I am not a thug. I have never been a thug, and at best I was the kid tagging along with the real thugs trying to be cool. I use those childhood experiences and mix them with gangster movies I love to tell stories through music, but that's all they are; stories". But he has to realize that he cannot do that AND go on TV claiming to be a don in '96 and keeping Tupac from taking over his streets during the East/West feud. He cannot go on interviews and tell people Jay Z was this that and the third on the streets while Nas was more the real deal.

And if he wants to speak out against gun violence on the street then he has to be willing to turn in and testify anyone he knows that committed it, for the sake of the community he's trying to help. If my blood brother needlessly shot and killed a man woman or child in the street I wouldn't even have to think about turning him in, and I'd stare him right in the eyes when I testify in court. It's not me who would be ashamed for turning in my own brother. It's him that should be ashamed for not turning in himself, not pleading guilty, and killing someone in the first place.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2007, 10:49:30 PM »
hip-hop has it's fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck. 


hip-hop IS a fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck. 


Most of these the street rappers play the part year round. They want to call it art to critics and real to the street fans. I've said this before, but to me it's as ridiculous as Al Pacino if he was doing interviews in 82 promoting Sarface while staying in the Tony Montana character. It's just a shame that most of the public doesn't see that. For them it's like pre-1985 pro wrestling when all the media portrayed it as real and the wrestlers wouldn't dare call it fake. Most people had an idea that it was but the wrestlers would never appear out of character in interviews. If Nas wants to be seen as a poet, an author and artist then he and more rappers need to come out and say it, and say it again, and then say it one more time. "My name is Nasir Jones and I am not a thug. I have never been a thug, and at best I was the kid tagging along with the real thugs trying to be cool. I use those childhood experiences and mix them with gangster movies I love to tell stories through music, but that's all they are; stories". But he has to realize that he cannot do that AND go on TV claiming to be a don in '96 and keeping Tupac from taking over his streets during the East/West feud. He cannot go on interviews and tell people Jay Z was this that and the third on the streets while Nas was more the real deal.

And if he wants to speak out against gun violence on the street then he has to be willing to turn in and testify anyone he knows that committed it, for the sake of the community he's trying to help. If my blood brother needlessly shot and killed a man woman or child in the street I wouldn't even have to think about turning him in, and I'd stare him right in the eyes when I testify in court. It's not me who would be ashamed for turning in my own brother. It's him that should be ashamed for not turning in himself, not pleading guilty, and killing someone in the first place.

If Nas was not a platinum rapper, would you have the same opinion. This cat... puts Illmatic as the greatest album ever, agrees with me that Nas is top 3 of all time, and still disses him. I don't get a thing this cat says.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2007, 07:17:49 AM »
hip-hop has it's fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck. 


hip-hop IS a fair share of parasites trying to make a quick buck. 


Most of these the street rappers play the part year round. They want to call it art to critics and real to the street fans. I've said this before, but to me it's as ridiculous as Al Pacino if he was doing interviews in 82 promoting Sarface while staying in the Tony Montana character. It's just a shame that most of the public doesn't see that. For them it's like pre-1985 pro wrestling when all the media portrayed it as real and the wrestlers wouldn't dare call it fake. Most people had an idea that it was but the wrestlers would never appear out of character in interviews. If Nas wants to be seen as a poet, an author and artist then he and more rappers need to come out and say it, and say it again, and then say it one more time. "My name is Nasir Jones and I am not a thug. I have never been a thug, and at best I was the kid tagging along with the real thugs trying to be cool. I use those childhood experiences and mix them with gangster movies I love to tell stories through music, but that's all they are; stories". But he has to realize that he cannot do that AND go on TV claiming to be a don in '96 and keeping Tupac from taking over his streets during the East/West feud. He cannot go on interviews and tell people Jay Z was this that and the third on the streets while Nas was more the real deal.

And if he wants to speak out against gun violence on the street then he has to be willing to turn in and testify anyone he knows that committed it, for the sake of the community he's trying to help. If my blood brother needlessly shot and killed a man woman or child in the street I wouldn't even have to think about turning him in, and I'd stare him right in the eyes when I testify in court. It's not me who would be ashamed for turning in my own brother. It's him that should be ashamed for not turning in himself, not pleading guilty, and killing someone in the first place.

If Nas was not a platinum rapper, would you have the same opinion. This cat... puts Illmatic as the greatest album ever, agrees with me that Nas is top 3 of all time, and still disses him. I don't get a thing this cat says.


Absolutely. I'm not dissing his hip hop talents. I'm adressing the way he chooses to adress himself on various issues and I'm merely stating that he is gangster rap. How much he sells makes no difference. I think Tupac is the best ever. e had more and better uplifting songs than Nas but I'd understand why students may not have wanted him at an event like this, and I'd still criticize Pac for keep the kaye fabe alive. Same goes for everyone's favourite white MC.

Hip Hop needs to stop telling everyone who's real and who isn't and start being real, for real, and stop acting. Only then can it properly move forward as art.
 

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Re: Bill O'Reilly on Nas
« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2007, 08:48:07 PM »

Hip Hop needs to stop telling everyone who's real and who isn't and start being real, for real, and stop acting. Only then can it properly move forward as art.

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