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Quote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:28:04 PMQuote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 02:09:15 PMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music. That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.I think Sinatra and Marvin were dope as hell. I have music from both of them, but I would definitely prefer hearing Marvin. It is all different styles though, and it's hard to get into styles that don't have much in common.I wasn't talking about you. You're jazz background would at least give you some apprecation of the crooners and big band stuff. Real fans of music who like and listen to almost everything will like both. The blacks and italians I was referring too aren't all that keen on studying music as it is. They are common fans of top 40 shit.But you liking Sinatra makes me think you at least hear the talent of singing requred to perform that version of Bridge I posted. Did you hear it?
Quote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 02:09:15 PMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music. That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.I think Sinatra and Marvin were dope as hell. I have music from both of them, but I would definitely prefer hearing Marvin. It is all different styles though, and it's hard to get into styles that don't have much in common.
Quote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music. That's what I was saying. People that are used to Marvin Gaye don't think much of Sinatra, and the people used to Sinatra don't think much of Gaye. I'm using kids of today as the example. Most of my black friends that grew up with MoTown in the house think Sinatra sucks. Most of my Italian friends that grew up with the Rat Pack in the house think Marvin Gaye sounds like a woman amd can't listen to it.
Quote from: Shallow on January 23, 2008, 07:46:15 AMQuote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.I am definitely familiar with all of these artists, since my dad is a Jazz musician who's in his 60's, but neither of us actively listen to this sound. I listen to Jazz that goes back further than that, but I don't listen to much R&B, Rock, or Soul that goes past the 60's...so my taste for that is a lot different. I have more of an ear for Jazz, so it is hard for me to even appreciate some of the musical compositions that Motown's "pop" had as you said, because it just won't hit you the same way if you are listening for more complex music.
Quote from: R-Tistic on January 23, 2008, 02:57:02 AMI don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.No wars being started. You just don't listen to that music. James Brown would equate Elvis's talent with his own. Is Brown being an idiot when he says that? How much of the old RnB do you relly listen to. I'm not talking about the MoTown Pop. I mean Big Mama Thornton, Howlin Wolf, Chuck Berry, Arthur Cruddup etc. My guess is you only listen to that stuff when it show up in a movie. You may as well be juding metal singers. Or go to a Bob Dylan concert and ask a bunch of 60 somethings who is the better rapper Rakim or Luda.
I don't know...maybe it's my upbringing, but I've never respected Elvis much at all, and I feel that he was extremely overrated as a singer and star. This might start a war on here, and I know for fact that some people here know much more about him than I will ever (care to) know. I just know that me and most people I know admire and respect MJ, James Brown, and even Prince MUCH, MUCH MORE than they ever will Elvis.
interesting yall mention Sinatra..coz he once said if theres anyone a better singer than he is, its MJ !
Dear MJ:I wrote you u're still not callin! I left my cell, my myspace, and home number on the bottom!
he just got an award for thriller ! NRJ music awards..france...check the speechPS: ill make this a MICHAEL JACKSON thread..for all the news!
this was 2 days ago yea...well it was life time achievement!he said he workin on thriller 25
a lot ..well he deserves it...and since thriller 25 is coming...its cool he got 1 more!PLAN:Michael Jackson w/ Akon"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"Celebrating the Thriller 25th Anniversary of the World's Biggest Selling Album of All TimeNew CD Re-Package Available 2.12.08The World's Biggest Album just got bigger featuring previously unreleased tracks with will.i.am, Fergie, Kayne West and AkonFeb.3 Super Bowl XLII TV SpotFeb.10 Grammy Tribute featuring will.i.am, Akon and FergieMid-Feb. BET Honors include a tribute to Michael JacksonThriller 25 MySpace and Facebook launch JanuaryMassive Press, TV, Radio, Online and Outdoor Advertising campaign to launch Feb. 1_________________
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