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America and prison
« on: February 04, 2008, 09:15:32 PM »
2.2 million American people are behind bars. most of them are men between the ages of 18-35.
prison is making people that are not violent into violent individuals because of the surroundings.

are any of the presidents doing anything to change this?

i think some mild prisoners who are jailed should be able to go through a long training program, mentally and physically and be given the chance to go into the military.

what are your thoughts?
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2008, 09:21:15 PM »
2.2 million American people are behind bars. most of them are men between the ages of 18-35.
prison is making people that are not violent into violent individuals because of the surroundings.

are any of the presidents doing anything to change this?

i think some mild prisoners who are jailed should be able to go through a long training program, mentally and physically and be given the chance to go into the military.

what are your thoughts?

why the fuck would u say go to the military?
 

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 09:26:19 PM »
2.2 million American people are behind bars. most of them are men between the ages of 18-35.
prison is making people that are not violent into violent individuals because of the surroundings.

are any of the presidents doing anything to change this?

i think some mild prisoners who are jailed should be able to go through a long training program, mentally and physically and be given the chance to go into the military.

what are your thoughts?
why the fuck would u say go to the military?
i figured its better then sitting in a cell all day. and gives them a career they can follow.
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 09:31:11 PM »
2.2 million American people are behind bars. most of them are men between the ages of 18-35.
prison is making people that are not violent into violent individuals because of the surroundings.

are any of the presidents doing anything to change this?

i think some mild prisoners who are jailed should be able to go through a long training program, mentally and physically and be given the chance to go into the military.

what are your thoughts?
why the fuck would u say go to the military?
i figured its better then sitting in a cell all day. and gives them a career they can follow.
i guess i know a lot of niggas who aint really doing shit with themselves and feel like the military is the way out.  but id say more like teach them a trade and shit you know, but im 50/50 on that i guess its a idea
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 09:40:58 PM »
2.2 million American people are behind bars. most of them are men between the ages of 18-35.
prison is making people that are not violent into violent individuals because of the surroundings.

are any of the presidents doing anything to change this?

i think some mild prisoners who are jailed should be able to go through a long training program, mentally and physically and be given the chance to go into the military.

what are your thoughts?
why the fuck would u say go to the military?
i figured its better then sitting in a cell all day. and gives them a career they can follow.
i guess i know a lot of niggas who aint really doing shit with themselves and feel like the military is the way out.  but id say more like teach them a trade and shit you know, but im 50/50 on that i guess its a idea
yes. i agree on that. instead of locking them up in a cell all day because they got hit with robbery charge, teach them a trade that they can go out and get a job so they dont have to rob.
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 10:03:21 PM »
also a lot of  laws and penalties are fucked up when it comes to Blacks for real
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 11:27:54 PM »
also a lot of  laws and penalties are fucked up when it comes to Blacks for real
yea. alot of penalties are too strong for small crimes. also the 3 strikes law is making the prisons more packed then ever.
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2008, 12:44:49 AM »
2.2 million American people are behind bars. most of them are men between the ages of 18-35.
prison is making people that are not violent into violent individuals because of the surroundings.

are any of the presidents doing anything to change this?

i think some mild prisoners who are jailed should be able to go through a long training program, mentally and physically and be given the chance to go into the military.
I'm not American, I dont kno how your laws work, but IMO, people convicted of violent crimes should be segregated from the rest of the prison population. Same with convicted youngsters. Problem seems to be is that overcrowding forces prisons to lump prisoners altogether. Letting these muthafuckers join the military is a bad idea, it will bring down any military's professionalism and level of conduct. Prison isn't supposed to be nice, prison isn't supposed to be a free University.But prison isn't suppose to make people worse, but remember there are complete fuckwits in prison too. Prisons already have librarys and programs and muthafuckers can get their diplomas and high school certificates by post. I'm not being ignorant but, there ARE stupid fucks in prison for real, muthafucker should have joined the military or went to university BEFORE he shot up the Asian grocery store. If I was in prison, all id do is lift weights and study, if I die becuase i didnt join a violent gang fuck it thats the choices I made in life, i was a dumbfuck you gotta face the music sometime, (id probly join the Muslims, Sayed's crew tho if i was in OZ LOL).  I once spent 24 hrs in a cell and ive been beaten and strangled by cops while in there and looking back i deserved it because I was a stupid fuck, I wouldve done the same shit if I was the cop. Every negative action has a consequence goddamit. Im no anarchist, the legal system exists for a very good reason.
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Re: America and prison
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2008, 10:05:18 AM »
2.2 million American people are behind bars. most of them are men between the ages of 18-35.
prison is making people that are not violent into violent individuals because of the surroundings.

are any of the presidents doing anything to change this?

i think some mild prisoners who are jailed should be able to go through a long training program, mentally and physically and be given the chance to go into the military.
I'm not American, I dont kno how your laws work, but IMO, people convicted of violent crimes should be segregated from the rest of the prison population. Same with convicted youngsters. Problem seems to be is that overcrowding forces prisons to lump prisoners altogether. Letting these muthafuckers join the military is a bad idea, it will bring down any military's professionalism and level of conduct. Prison isn't supposed to be nice, prison isn't supposed to be a free University.But prison isn't suppose to make people worse, but remember there are complete fuckwits in prison too. Prisons already have librarys and programs and muthafuckers can get their diplomas and high school certificates by post. I'm not being ignorant but, there ARE stupid fucks in prison for real, muthafucker should have joined the military or went to university BEFORE he shot up the Asian grocery store. If I was in prison, all id do is lift weights and study, if I die becuase i didnt join a violent gang fuck it thats the choices I made in life, i was a dumbfuck you gotta face the music sometime, (id probly join the Muslims, Sayed's crew tho if i was in OZ LOL).  I once spent 24 hrs in a cell and ive been beaten and strangled by cops while in there and looking back i deserved it because I was a stupid fuck, I wouldve done the same shit if I was the cop. Every negative action has a consequence goddamit. Im no anarchist, the legal system exists for a very good reason.
i agree, the legal system isnt suppose to be nice, but it is milked by the police and law makers. also you made a good point about the violent crime cats should be split from the non violent people. on the other hand instead of making the prisoners work for shit pay, they should get shit pay for going to school in  profession. most the people going into prison end up back in prison after about 3 years of doing nothing on the streets.
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2008, 06:18:31 PM »
They can go to school on their own, if they really want to, people gotta make their own choices at some point.

I just saw this on TV (Foreign Correspondent),  in Norway they have an "Eco-prison", its like a farm, but its also a prison, inmates tend to animals (to teach them empathy with living things again) and make their own organic food, idea is to get them to connect with life again  and empathy for the world, no murderers in there though, although there is a dude on for manslaughter in there. Heres an article on it:

From: Aasa Christine Stoltz
Published August 27, 2007 07:11 PM
Norway Unveils "First Ecological Prison"

In Norway, Break the Law and Live by a Beach.

BASTOEY, Norway - Norway put on show on Monday what it calls "the world's first ecological prison," where inmates play important roles in daily operations and learn to do their bit to protect the environment.



The Bastoey Island low security prison uses solar panels for energy, produces most of its own food, recycles everything it can and tries to reduce its carbon footprint.



Justice Minister Knut Storberget said the most important idea behind the "ecologically driven prison" is to develop a sense of responsibility in inmates and prepare them for life outside its non-existent walls.



Norway's relaxed prison policy is intended to reduce re-offending by released offenders, and Bastoey prison aims to bring new values to the handling of criminals.



"On a long-term basis, from a social and economic perspective, this is cheapest for society," Storberget told Reuters during a visit to Bastoey island, 75 km (46 miles) south of Oslo, whose prison has a total of 115 inmates.




"Bastoey is the island of hope," he told visitors, inmates and employees in a packed church on the prison's property, which sprawls over much of the island in the beautiful Oslo fjord.



The prison gained international media attention a few years ago for its living conditions, resembling a summer camp with activities like tennis, horse riding, and even swimming in the summer, when the North Sea waters warm up.



Assistant prison manager Per Eirik Lund said running costs were lower at Bastoey than at more traditional prisons.



"On a normal day, we have five prison officers at work. In a closed facility, you have two or three officers per 20 inmates, so this is among the cheapest prison facilities in Norway."



Lund said Bastoey tapped grants from environmental bodies to help it produce high-quality food. "Most of the food is used in the kitchen here, but we also sell to other prisons or elsewhere," he said.



Surrounded by beaches and green fields, the prison grounds extend into a nature reserve and are popular with the inmates.



"We are given full freedom within a limited area," Erik, an inmate and hobby carpenter who helped install solar panels, told Reuters. The solar panels cut the prison's electricity needs by up to 70 percent, he said.



Inmates said very few of them abused the authorities' trust. Anyone who breaks the prison rules is sent straight back to a closed prison.



"This is like a holiday camp compared to a closed facility," said another inmate, who asked not to be named.



Bastoey prison says on its website that its philosophy comes from an old Indian saying: "We don't own nature. We borrow and manage it in our lives, thinking about our descendants."



© Reuters 2007. All rights reserved.

 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2008, 06:22:22 PM »
^^ yo where u from australia i remember watchin some movie about this guy who was killing people and shit in a area where no electric things work. is that true or just some hollywood shit.. i think it was called something creek
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2008, 07:31:13 PM »
^^ yo where u from australia i remember watchin some movie about this guy who was killing people and shit in a area where no electric things work. is that true or just some hollywood shit.. i think it was called something creek

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Wolf Creek. Yeah it happened, haven't seen the movie though.

 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2008, 07:37:25 PM »
^^ yo where u from australia i remember watchin some movie about this guy who was killing people and shit in a area where no electric things work. is that true or just some hollywood shit.. i think it was called something creek

Aussie mate!

Wolf Creek. Yeah it happened, haven't seen the movie though.


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Re: America and prison
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2008, 08:27:50 PM »
^^ yo where u from australia i remember watchin some movie about this guy who was killing people and shit in a area where no electric things work. is that true or just some hollywood shit.. i think it was called something creek

Aussie mate!

Wolf Creek. Yeah it happened, haven't seen the movie though.


eye see crazy....
dude probably went nuts out there in isolation
 

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Re: America and prison
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2008, 05:39:58 PM »
Let me tell ya'll somethang, the system is fucked up.

I've known child molesters, CHILD MOLESTERS get A year, I've known CONVICTED pedophiles, CONVICTED, try and seduce fam thru pen pals, which was distributed thru schools, who was UNABLE to be arrested becuz, get this, becuz it WAS NOT A CRIME, okay, now I know fam who get 6 YEAR sentences on Larceny charges, Larceny. Okay. That's men going to jail for stealing MATERIAL THANGS gettin 6+ years while these pervs is gettin' single numbers for stealing away a child's life FOREVER, a child's life. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??!!

Now to the other side..

I know fathers who refuse to pay child support, owe over more than fuckin' $15,000, okay, now I know mothers who try to put nigga's away becuz of that. And why would they put them away? Well, becuz the single mothers need the cash. Well, IF the Sheriff's pick up that nigga, you must pay a SHERIFF'S FEE, guess where that FEE comes out of? THE FUCKIN' CHILD SUPPORT MONEY!! Now, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??!!

Prison is filled up for nonsense charges, nonsense, and this type of shit makes me sick. People do dumb thangs, people have dumb addictions, people make dumb mistakes. Police is sick, Judges unfourtantly is sick. And if seeing kids visiting their parents in jail doesn't break your heart, than you sick too.
 

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2008, 05:49:46 PM »
Let me tell ya'll somethang, the system is fucked up.

I've known child molesters, CHILD MOLESTERS get A year, I've known CONVICTED pedophiles, CONVICTED, try and seduce fam thru pen pals, which was distributed thru schools, who was UNABLE to be arrested becuz, get this, becuz it WAS NOT A CRIME, okay, now I know fam who get 6 YEAR sentences on Larceny charges, Larceny. Okay. That's men going to jail for stealing MATERIAL THANGS gettin 6+ years while these pervs is gettin' single numbers for stealing away a child's life FOREVER, a child's life. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??!!

Now to the other side..

I know fathers who refuse to pay child support, owe over more than fuckin' $15,000, okay, now I know mothers who try to put nigga's away becuz of that. And why would they put them away? Well, becuz the single mothers need the cash. Well, IF the Sheriff's pick up that nigga, you must pay a SHERIFF'S FEE, guess where that FEE comes out of? THE FUCKIN' CHILD SUPPORT MONEY!! Now, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE??!!

Prison is filled up for nonsense charges, nonsense, and this type of shit makes me sick. People do dumb thangs, people have dumb addictions, people make dumb mistakes. Police is sick, Judges unfourtantly is sick. And if seeing kids visiting their parents in jail doesn't break your heart, than you sick too.

to me eye think niggas that fuck with little child, no matter what color or race should die period.but notice, who are the group of people doing the most childin molesting...... if a crime is done mostly by white------notice how the penalties arent to severe, a little pat on the hand. except for if a cop is killed, then eye believe any body no matter what race is  getting the most of any punishment..... the worst......... eye  still dont know how the fuck  this nigga OJ got off the hook for killin a white women...... cuz thats shit right there get niggas death penalty....
 

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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2008, 06:05:56 PM »
Yeah, I know, I know, I'm with you, anybody who lays a finger on a child should get stoned to death or get hung by they balls, I don't even give a fuck. There's no excuse for that shit. But I hear you out.

What also pisses me off is this shit. And I AM NOT A RACIST PERSON AT ALL, BUT I AM PREJUSTICE AGAINST CLASS, AND THAT'S THE TRUTH. Sorry. And I am NOT condoling drug selling in no way but I knew this guy word, he was a poor ass sorry dude with 2 lil girls and a son, and all the poor basterd wanted was to feed his children. He didn't have no job, so he was doin' what he had to do, and everyday this cat was on the corner and you know who the fuck is loyal customer was, a white dark haired man in a business suit rolling around in a black mercedes benz, now come on, when somethang that flashy is in the fuckin' slums, WHAT CHA BRAIN THINKS?? Long story short, cops arrested the cat, took the children in social services, and wanna know the funny part, that business cat TIL THIS DAY, THIS VERY DAY, STILL comes thru. Cuz once one moves out, another one's in and the customers don't change. Fuckin' cocaine snortin' piece of shit runin' a fam like that. :grumpy:
I mean see, I know drug use is illegal, why the fuck this dude still rollin' around???? My drug addicted fam ain't, so why this dude ain't niether??? The fuck. And don't DARE to tell me cops don't know what's goin' on, it's fuckin' bullshit.
 

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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2008, 06:06:56 PM »
Yeah Ron Paul is the only candidate talking about the fucked up drug war and laws-especially since most who are incarcerated are of color.  Out of those 2.2 million in prison approximately half are non-violent drug offenders.  The shit is a business.  It's like stocking cattle.  Especially the private prison industry where transnational corporations come in and pay these prisoners pennies to make them more money.  Wal-Mart, IBM and Microsoft are just a few.  Check out the film American Drug War if you get a chance.  Here is the website: http://americandrugwar.com/  It'll be on Showtime in March, too.

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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2008, 06:28:23 PM »
Yeah, I know, I know, I'm with you, anybody who lays a finger on a child should get stoned to death or get hung by they balls, I don't even give a fuck. There's no excuse for that shit. But I hear you out.

What also pisses me off is this shit. And I AM NOT A RACIST PERSON AT ALL[/b], BUT I AM PREJUSTICE AGAINST CLASS, AND THAT'S THE TRUTH. Sorry. And I am NOT condoling drug selling in no way but I knew this guy word, he was a poor ass sorry dude with 2 lil girls and a son, and all the poor basterd wanted was to feed his children. He didn't have no job, so he was doin' what he had to do, and everyday this cat was on the corner and you know who the fuck is loyal customer was, a white dark haired man in a business suit rolling around in a black mercedes benz, now come on, when somethang that flashy is in the fuckin' slums, WHAT CHA BRAIN THINKS?? Long story short, cops arrested the cat, took the children in social services, and wanna know the funny part, that business cat TIL THIS DAY, THIS VERY DAY, STILL comes thru. Cuz once one moves out, another one's in and the customers don't change. Fuckin' cocaine snortin' piece of shit runin' a fam like that. :grumpy:
I mean see, I know drug use is illegal, why the fuck this dude still rollin' around???? My drug addicted fam ain't, so why this dude ain't niether??? The fuck. And don't DARE to tell me cops don't know what's goin' on, it's fuckin' bullshit.
oh yeah what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! man they supposedly scared of niggas and think niggas are inferior to them but they be right up in the neighborhood buying they coke and shit. there was this nigga who just came out of no where a benz out of no where. and eye am like damn eye know this nigga cant be caking off the niggas around to be pushin a whip like that and buy his moms a new whip too.... find out his real customers were white doctors, lawyers etc. im tellin you man them people are just as foul ass any nigga can be but they got this whole world fooled.
 

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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2008, 08:03:01 PM »
^ Exactly, shit is baffling!! It's fuckin' gross all these people bashing the hood but are the first in line to buy they shit. What the fuckk. And it's not right. Police pretend they don't know shit. They parked right in the parking lot and you see some middle aged man in a benz rollin' thru, don't tell me he's lost.  Exactly man, exactly, exactly.
 

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2008, 08:37:54 PM »
2.2 million American people are behind bars. most of them are men between the ages of 18-35.
prison is making people that are not violent into violent individuals because of the surroundings.

are any of the presidents doing anything to change this?

i think some mild prisoners who are jailed should be able to go through a long training program, mentally and physically and be given the chance to go into the military.

what are your thoughts?


the sad thing is that most is because of drug abuse. they jail the people for sumthing they want.


but lol no military, that gives more ignorant men an opportunity to kill efficiently.
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2008, 12:45:03 PM »
the prison regime in the States to me yeah, is just another tool to keep the underclasses, who are mainly of colour, latino an black, to mainly shut them out of society, the system has shutdown the street game, even to the point where, there hating on big boys from source countrys too, there even hating on the mob, if you ain't eating the way the system wants you to eat, you ain't eating out here, thats the way I see it, police brutality, the prison system, no rights for prisoners to vote in most states, ridiculous drug sentences, shit public schools in the inner city, locking off the welfare system, gentrification thats going on across the hoods in the States, AIDS, this is just a way of shutting down a powerful voice that could in the systems eyes, threaten it, you see what I'm saying, you get me fam, these are just its tools to control hman being brothers an sisters in the hood, wipe em out, there locking away whole generations of latino an black human being brothers an sisters out there, they want us to die off over there in the States or sumthin, thats the way I see it, true focking stories, fock the system

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2008, 04:04:21 PM »
i agree with you all. but they need to do an uprising or something for all that injustice and shit. years and years of life wasted over nothing.