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Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.
 

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2008, 11:18:43 AM »
D-Nice copy and paste the shit you find relevant from the previous thread and move it over here  ;)

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2008, 11:21:20 AM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.
I gotta completely agree with ya bro. Point blank.
 

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2008, 11:24:57 AM »
Here are some quotes to get this dialogue going. Most are from Chad's thread but are all good points.

commercially it might hurt,but would cats accept it? I mean if he went on some straight MC shit over some "boom bap" beats,would cats say he's "sucking" east coast "dick"? Is there way for Snoop to grow while still "pleasing" fans of his "gangster rap" style?

I'd love to hear snoop do a straight hip-hop album, just get people like premier, pete rock, buckwild, lord finesse, maybe rza, and some other cats to do the beats, and then have either scratched choruses or no choruses, like just back to back verses from snoop and others


he'd have to come hard and really rip it though. it'd be dope with lady of rage, she always kills premiers beats, and i'd like to see kurupt on those types of beats too. maybe get other heavy spitters from the west on there too, ras kass, crooked i, e-40... tear some shit up!

That'd be snoop on some MCing shit though, so he'd have to step his game up, though we know he can, like he killed Think About It on BCT, so he's still got it


I think he'd make some better fans that way, some actual hip-hop fans - his fans at the moment are either people who want to see him make a west coast g-funk classic again, or little kids who like saying "drop it like its hot" or singing "sensual seduction" in the playground. he doesn't really have any fans who are checking for him as a rapper/MC


Snoop is always putting quality work over good hiphop beats, check out these

One Chance (make it good)
Think About it
The One & Only
Protector of 1472
In This Life (Gangstarr)
Living The Life (on Biggie's album)
Sounds of my Heat (from Easy Mo Bee's compilation)
See Ya When I get There
Mama Raised me

actually Snoop sounds best over eastcoast jazzy beats , i would like to hear him over some beats by Pete Rock...would be nice


I think this is a major problem in rap, especially gangsta rap, they wont let the artist grow, thats probably why some rappers cannot make albums or cant get a good deal cuz the fans  stuck them with an era thats not even marketable anymore. Is it that hard to understand that when you are in your mid 30's its basically dumb to talk about Being a Gangsta or killing people or fucking hoes? If this album had the same type of songs as before , it would be a failliure, he's trying to expand, he wants to reach the young adult too, not only the 16 years old kids that just discovered Doggystyle

 

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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 11:29:40 AM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

I agree 100%
 

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2008, 11:30:54 AM »
Because West Coast fans are 13 to 19 years old.. they were too young to dig the G-Funk Era, so its new to them, so they are wondering why the artists cant drop shit like that anymore, because they didnt not have the chance to grow with the artist and get with his evolution. and In my opinion... the West Is just a coast on a map, thats it, to me music is music, as long as its dope in my ears, and shiit West Coast Music aint about Gangsta Rap only... Look at Murs, Look at Madlib all those are from the west and they actually make music that people can relate too and grow to , but doesnt get support because it aint GANGSTA enough
 

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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2008, 11:31:46 AM »
Here are a couple points that are  ??? to me but I am not here to put people on blast. Nas went from Nasty to Esco back to Escobar like the song say and he survived. But with Snoop it seems like he loses more and more fans with every album. And maybe Snoop is to blame partially for that but it's his career at the end of the day and I dig alot of the new producers and concepts he has tried. Even the gap in gangsta rap and so called backpack rap out here on the west. Most don't even appreciate a Murs, Evidence, Blu & Exile, etc for making just GOOD MUSIC. It gets ignored because it don't sound like somebody else's shit.
 

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2008, 11:34:00 AM »
Because West Coast fans are 13 to 19 years old.. they were too young to dig the G-Funk Era, so its new to them, so they are wondering why the artists cant drop shit like that anymore, because they didnt not have the chance to grow with the artist and get with his evolution. and In my opinion... the West Is just a coast on a map, thats it, to me music is music, as long as its dope in my ears, and shiit West Coast Music aint about Gangsta Rap only... Look at Murs, Look at Madlib all those are from the west and they actually make music that people can relate too and grow to , but doesnt get support because it aint GANGSTA enough

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 11:37:53 AM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

well i think it's because of multiple things; fear for the unknown, judging too soon and perhaps that they pay too much attention to the "gangsta" image of snoop.

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 11:41:48 AM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.



well i think it's because of multiple things; fear for the unknown, judging too soon and perhaps that they pay too much attention to the "gangsta" image of snoop.

True. Ice Cube has evolved a bit in his career, not as much as Snoop as far as the different sounds and everything. He went through that whole Clubbin/Don Mega stage. Snoop can't seem to make a album anyone would like IMO. LOL!
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2008, 11:43:10 AM »
D-Nice copy and paste the shit you find relevant from the previous thread and move it over here  ;)

Aight. I will look through some quotes.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2008, 11:47:08 AM »
D have you heard "Ego Trippin" and if so what are your opinions about it?
 

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2008, 11:49:07 AM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.



well i think it's because of multiple things; fear for the unknown, judging too soon and perhaps that they pay too much attention to the "gangsta" image of snoop.

True. Ice Cube has evolved a bit in his career, not as much as Snoop as far as the different sounds and everything. He went through that whole Clubbin/Don Mega stage. Snoop can't seem to make a album anyone would like IMO. LOL!

Thing is...like I said before Ice Cube & Snoop Dogg are two different rappers, but fans do not see that because they were both big and known as gangsta rappers, and for now i do not see Ice Cube as a gangsta rapper, he is more on some political stuff, but because of the beats he uses and the way he flows  people still see it as Gangsta rapper, but give Ice Cube's  lyrics to Kam or Mos Def or Common and U'll get another view of it.

As for Snoop well he is The Rap Male version of Madonna...
 

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2008, 12:01:59 PM »
D have you heard "Ego Trippin" and if so what are your opinions about it?

Nah I haven't. Going to cop it on the 11th. Only heard 2 songs so far.

Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.



well i think it's because of multiple things; fear for the unknown, judging too soon and perhaps that they pay too much attention to the "gangsta" image of snoop.

True. Ice Cube has evolved a bit in his career, not as much as Snoop as far as the different sounds and everything. He went through that whole Clubbin/Don Mega stage. Snoop can't seem to make a album anyone would like IMO. LOL!

Thing is...like I said before Ice Cube & Snoop Dogg are two different rappers, but fans do not see that because they were both big and known as gangsta rappers, and for now i do not see Ice Cube as a gangsta rapper, he is more on some political stuff, but because of the beats he uses and the way he flows  people still see it as Gangsta rapper, but give Ice Cube's  lyrics to Kam or Mos Def or Common and U'll get another view of it.

As for Snoop well he is The Rap Male version of Madonna...

I definitely agree with you and I am not comparing the 2 as artists. Just comparing the fact that both have tried different trends and how its worked out for both. Xzibit too is a example. Now people have left him for dead because he does not work with Dre anymore.
 

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2008, 12:05:50 PM »
yep... damn shame, something thats crossing my mind though.. Would West Coast Fans would consider Glasses Malone song a West coast Song  if Young Jeezy was flowing instead of him... funny how a name could change everything when style is really similar to another
 

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2008, 12:09:51 PM »
yep... damn shame, something thats crossing my mind though.. Would West Coast Fans would consider Glasses Malone song a West coast Song  if Young Jeezy was flowing instead of him... funny how a name could change everything when style is really similar to another

Probably would write it off as a South song. Same with the Mike Jones My 64 song.
 

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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2008, 12:27:29 PM »
. . . .predominant in westcoast fans, but its a universal thing with Hip-Hop really. usually happens when you expect to get a new service/treatment you've come to expect from a long-lasting product.


snoop's siamese fanbase is majorily his own fault, especially when he takes it upon himself to do innovative and new ventures like Rhythm & Gangsta and Ego Trippin'. by doing that you have a split ratio, some will either love it or some will hate it. doing anything after awhile becomes routine (Snoop has made it "routine" to do both: 1) innovative new ventures, while still backtracking to the, 2) gangsta-rap cliches). so he is never going to actually please both fanbases until he can get a proper, consistent compromise of the two. I dont see that happening anytime soon, he has the potential and talent for it but the direction not necessarily.

also: am I alone when I say the execution of R&G is far superior to that of Ego Trippin'?
 

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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2008, 12:50:15 PM »
That is a good point also 4108.
 

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2008, 01:22:45 PM »
To say Snoop would need 2 drop a "Hip Hop" album of East coast beats (bcuz thats wat YOU love) is fuckin' wack.  The dubcc fans just wana hear Snoop ova 808 drums and Gangsta/Jazzy melodies.  But some of ya'll do put it in a good perspective though, maybe Snoop should drop a double album, 1 for tha older generation of Snoop fans and 1 for the newer.  U cant say Snoop is loosin' fans bcuz u still play DoggyStyle like it came out this mornin', thats like sayin' 2Pac is better NOW than then he waz back then.......????..... riiiite.   just bcuz u dont like it doesnt mean u have 2 brew hate and jealousy ova anotha man's work.  When I hear a classic album from some1 on tha internet forums, then i'll start 2 second guess people's OPINIONS.  Snoop is the Rap Version of Madonna, he can do shit like Rn'G and then turn around n drop a "Deep Cover 2010", Snoop is tha shit- stop denyin' urselfs.  I'm not a dickryder but 2 say that niggas fallin' off or loosin' his fans and his ways is fuckin' histerical.  just like my man David Banner said, ALL u folx wana hear is the "struggle", "money", "cars", "sex", "crime", "drugs", "love" songs, once an artists steps out that box nobody would wana hear it, honestly could u imagine a song if Snoop was rappin' about bein' a bird- maybe he could be a bird of coke and tell a story but otha than that that shit would be wack.  dont b so judgemental on somethin that doesnt envolve u
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2008, 02:20:08 PM »
I would love to see some musical growth - if he put out a cd with him singing, and it was dope singing and he did it over really dope beats, no problem.

The problem is if you make a weak album, with 3/4s of the beats being so-so filler tracks, the raps sounding rushed and uninspired and like you're on autopilot, and you have these cheesy hooks that directly appeal to kids, then you have to expect people to call you out on it. You can't hide behind the excuse of 'oh, but I'm trying something different! Why won't you let me grow as an artist?' - it's like fine, you can do what you like, but I'm not spending money to buy something that is half-assed. It's like 'support the artists, support the west coast!' - not if they're making some wack shit you're not feeling, where is the sense in that, things only improve if you stand up and say hey, this shit isn't really good enough

Real Snoop fans don't go, "well gee snoop, thanks for another kind of ok album" to file away under 'snoop albums that aren't half as good as Doggystyle' - real Snoop fans know how fucking dope he can be on the mic, doesn't matter if he's talking gangsta shit, doesn't matter if he's talking about whatever, or singing, as long as it sounds dope. It must be mad frustrating for him hearing people always asking about if he's hooked up with Dre again, or people always talking about Doggystyle as his best album, but that's what fans want, that level of quality, and real fans will always keep on at him because they know he has it in him to do another truly amazing album

His new album isn't awful. It's better than a lot of things out there, and I still enjoy hearing Snoops style, but once you know how much better he can be, it seems such a shame to settle for less. In the future, Ego Trippin is not going to be mentioned in the same sentence with great albums such as Chronic, Doggstyle, Illmatic, 36 Chambers, etc, it's a here today gone tomorrow album, but it doesn't have to be that way, he can make something great


There's a reason Doggystyle is his most popular album and is named as one of the best rap albums ever. When I first heard that album my jaw dropped as soon as I heard each beat on that album. I didn't sit around thinking, damn, do I like this album? I'ma have to give it a few more spins. I didn't go, mmm, 6 tracks I've heard are kind of so-so, but maybe the album will pick itself up in the next few tracks. No. It was mindblowing within the first few seconds of each track! And then the verses, same shit, there isn't a weak verse on there, everything is so ill

It's more about quality control than anything else, in my opinion. I don't care what he raps about, I don't really care if he has g-funk beats or neptunes beats or whatever. What I want is an album where I'm constantly going 'holy shit!', on both the beats and the verses.
This is what Dre does and is why Chronic and Doggystyle are so dope, because he takes his time and makes sure he ONLY has tracks which hit you like that. If the beat doesn't make your brain melt within the first bar, then throw it away until you find a beat that does, if a verse is kinda lame and just ok, scrap it until you write something that's insane
 

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2008, 02:21:25 PM »
it's not just West Coast, it's people

trust me, it's not like West Coast fans are the only ones who get weird about music
 

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2008, 02:23:32 PM »
I'm all for growth, i'm just not down with shit like "Sexual Eruption"
 

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2008, 04:42:08 PM »
I would love to see some musical growth - if he put out a cd with him singing, and it was dope singing and he did it over really dope beats, no problem.

The problem is if you make a weak album, with 3/4s of the beats being so-so filler tracks, the raps sounding rushed and uninspired and like you're on autopilot, and you have these cheesy hooks that directly appeal to kids, then you have to expect people to call you out on it. You can't hide behind the excuse of 'oh, but I'm trying something different! Why won't you let me grow as an artist?' - it's like fine, you can do what you like, but I'm not spending money to buy something that is half-assed. It's like 'support the artists, support the west coast!' - not if they're making some wack shit you're not feeling, where is the sense in that, things only improve if you stand up and say hey, this shit isn't really good enough

Real Snoop fans don't go, "well gee snoop, thanks for another kind of ok album" to file away under 'snoop albums that aren't half as good as Doggystyle' - real Snoop fans know how fucking dope he can be on the mic, doesn't matter if he's talking gangsta shit, doesn't matter if he's talking about whatever, or singing, as long as it sounds dope. It must be mad frustrating for him hearing people always asking about if he's hooked up with Dre again, or people always talking about Doggystyle as his best album, but that's what fans want, that level of quality, and real fans will always keep on at him because they know he has it in him to do another truly amazing album

His new album isn't awful. It's better than a lot of things out there, and I still enjoy hearing Snoops style, but once you know how much better he can be, it seems such a shame to settle for less. In the future, Ego Trippin is not going to be mentioned in the same sentence with great albums such as Chronic, Doggstyle, Illmatic, 36 Chambers, etc, it's a here today gone tomorrow album, but it doesn't have to be that way, he can make something great


There's a reason Doggystyle is his most popular album and is named as one of the best rap albums ever. When I first heard that album my jaw dropped as soon as I heard each beat on that album. I didn't sit around thinking, damn, do I like this album? I'ma have to give it a few more spins. I didn't go, mmm, 6 tracks I've heard are kind of so-so, but maybe the album will pick itself up in the next few tracks. No. It was mindblowing within the first few seconds of each track! And then the verses, same shit, there isn't a weak verse on there, everything is so ill

It's more about quality control than anything else, in my opinion. I don't care what he raps about, I don't really care if he has g-funk beats or neptunes beats or whatever. What I want is an album where I'm constantly going 'holy shit!', on both the beats and the verses.
This is what Dre does and is why Chronic and Doggystyle are so dope, because he takes his time and makes sure he ONLY has tracks which hit you like that. If the beat doesn't make your brain melt within the first bar, then throw it away until you find a beat that does, if a verse is kinda lame and just ok, scrap it until you write something that's insane


dogg all tha albums u mentioned were from tha 92/94 era, even Snoop said himself he cant recreate that shit.  exactly wat r u expectin', not just from Snoop but every artist in EVERY genre.  ur settin' tha bar so high that it cant b touched, not even by jesus himself.  the chronic ONLY took FOUR MONTHS, and Doggystyle took less than a year.  half tha shit they were rappin about didnt even match tha rhyme scheme that tha song was about. 

wats wrong wit' recreatin urself every time u come out, just like obama change has gotta come.  since this has bcome anotha Ego Trippin thread i mite as well say all u want 2 hear is Nate, Dre, DPG, Rage, WG on his albums only, bcuz keep it real thats wat u want, just like most ppl.  but 2 me ive grown up wit' Snoop since Doggystyle and im lovin' this new direction, i couldnt imagine him tryna release anotha Doggystyle- that whole concept would b outdated.  ALL Dr. Dre beats and only DPG features, if u ask me Dr. Dre aint tha greatest producer anymore, Nate cant harmonize like he used 2, rage's voice is kinda off, and Daz n' Kurupt are fuckin' wack- even though Kurupt MURDERED that freestyle in tha new Snoop video.

Snoop is bigger than Doggstyle now.  Dre is backed in2 a corner wit' havin' 2 worry about droppin anotha album better than the chronic issues *kinda like tha sophmore jinx even though its his 3rd solo*.  WG/Nate is kool but they aint really that fresh anymore.  DPG fell off ALONG time ago, even though i still respect them, im not gonna buy a new album, not wit dem niggaz still flowin like that.  Now wen it comes 2 niggaz like Soopafly, Quik, Cube, Game, Bad Lucc, and prolly a few more niggaz out there they still got it and they gettin better wit' time (cube is 50/50 tho - production wise).  wen it comes 2 tha west, they put theyself in a small box- MOST of their flows is really off, they aint really gettin all that good of beats and its always that signature west sound, thats kool 2 have but 'NO' they should re-invent tha sound wit' a new edge, every other coast has but the west.

But back 2 tha Chronic/Doggystyle burden that Snoop and Dre carry... The Chronic only has 10 or 11 tracks and DoggyStyle had like 9 or 10 songs, so u mean 2 tell me if Snoop cut tha number of tracks he releases in half that he wouldnt STILL be droppin' wat u label a classic?

00 - A Word Witcha'
01 - Press Play
02 - SD Is Out
03 - Neva Have 2 Worry
04 - Sexual Seduction
05 - Deez Hollywood Nitez
06 - Whateva U Do
07 - Been Around The World
08 - Thoze Girls
09 - One Chance

put some interludes (WBALLZ) in it and release that, u mean 2 tell me u would say that wouldnt b a classic or damn good album, even though it already is???? ur lyin 2 urself.  u would play that album from front 2 back, i know u would and its not even bcuz those r my favorites, its bcuz that shit is QUALITY music.  u could probably add some more songs on that too.


All im just sayin is stop expecting Snoop and them 2 just come out wit' somethin' that u aint neva heard b4, bcuz if they did u probably wouldnt like it.
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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2008, 04:59:05 PM »
dogg all tha albums u mentioned were from tha 92/94 era, even Snoop said himself he cant recreate that shit.  exactly wat r u expectin', not just from Snoop but every artist in EVERY genre.  ur settin' tha bar so high that it cant b touched, not even by jesus himself.  the chronic ONLY took FOUR MONTHS, and Doggystyle took less than a year.  half tha shit they were rappin about didnt even match tha rhyme scheme that tha song was about. 

It's not about recreating it, it's about getting to that standard - they reached it once they can reach it again. What you're basically saying is that people should just expect wack shit from now on, because we can't possibly have more classics, which is bullshit IMO


wats wrong wit' recreatin urself every time u come out, just like obama change has gotta come.  since this has bcome anotha Ego Trippin thread i mite as well say all u want 2 hear is Nate, Dre, DPG, Rage, WG on his albums only, bcuz keep it real thats wat u want, just like most ppl. 

He could put whoever he likes on, as long as it's dope. For me it's not about west coast or getting the old crew together, it's about putting together a really good album


but 2 me ive grown up wit' Snoop since Doggystyle and im lovin' this new direction, i couldnt imagine him tryna release anotha Doggystyle- that whole concept would b outdated.  ALL Dr. Dre beats and only DPG features, if u ask me Dr. Dre aint tha greatest producer anymore, Nate cant harmonize like he used 2, rage's voice is kinda off, and Daz n' Kurupt are fuckin' wack- even though Kurupt MURDERED that freestyle in tha new Snoop video.

Doesn't have to be Dre and all those people, he could go to anyone for beats, just make sure they're not some half-assed shit. The concept of Doggystyle will never be outdated, because the basic concept was - make every beat a banger and drop nothing but hot verses


Snoop is bigger than Doggstyle now. 

That's part of the problem, Snoop is bigger outside of music now - his tv stuff, movie stuff, being a house hold name - but MUSICALLY he has never gotten as big as Doggystyle - that album sold three times what any of his others have, and it's easily his most critically acclaimed album, it's up there with all the greatest hiphop albums, unlike his other albums



But back 2 tha Chronic/Doggystyle burden that Snoop and Dre carry... The Chronic only has 10 or 11 tracks and DoggyStyle had like 9 or 10 songs, so u mean 2 tell me if Snoop cut tha number of tracks he releases in half that he wouldnt STILL be droppin' wat u label a classic?

00 - A Word Witcha'
01 - Press Play
02 - SD Is Out
03 - Neva Have 2 Worry
04 - Sexual Seduction
05 - Deez Hollywood Nitez
06 - Whateva U Do
07 - Been Around The World
08 - Thoze Girls
09 - One Chance

put some interludes (WBALLZ) in it and release that, u mean 2 tell me u would say that wouldnt b a classic or damn good album, even though it already is???? ur lyin 2 urself.  u would play that album from front 2 back, i know u would and its not even bcuz those r my favorites, its bcuz that shit is QUALITY music.  u could probably add some more songs on that too.

You have to be kidding me, that album would be a joke compared to Doggystyle! It definitely wouldn't be a classic, it's a couple of pop singles, mediocre beats and some so-so verses


 

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2008, 05:07:51 PM »
it's not just West Coast, it's people

trust me, it's not like West Coast fans are the only ones who get weird about music

I understand that but I am talking about the west coast right now. I even said artists in general but it's more prevalent with wc artists. I also mentioned this happened to Nas before.