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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2008, 05:11:51 PM »
it's not just West Coast, it's people

trust me, it's not like West Coast fans are the only ones who get weird about music

I understand that but I am talking about the west coast right now. I even said artists in general but it's more prevalent with wc artists.

I see, from that perspective I would agree with you in some instances
 

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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2008, 05:23:35 PM »
To say Snoop would need 2 drop a "Hip Hop" album of East coast beats (bcuz thats wat YOU love) is fuckin' wack.  The dubcc fans just wana hear Snoop ova 808 drums and Gangsta/Jazzy melodies.  But some of ya'll do put it in a good perspective though, maybe Snoop should drop a double album, 1 for tha older generation of Snoop fans and 1 for the newer.  U cant say Snoop is loosin' fans bcuz u still play DoggyStyle like it came out this mornin', thats like sayin' 2Pac is better NOW than then he waz back then.......????..... riiiite.   just bcuz u dont like it doesnt mean u have 2 brew hate and jealousy ova anotha man's work.  When I hear a classic album from some1 on tha internet forums, then i'll start 2 second guess people's OPINIONS.  Snoop is the Rap Version of Madonna, he can do shit like Rn'G and then turn around n drop a "Deep Cover 2010", Snoop is tha shit- stop denyin' urselfs.  I'm not a dickryder but 2 say that niggas fallin' off or loosin' his fans and his ways is fuckin' histerical.  just like my man David Banner said, ALL u folx wana hear is the "struggle", "money", "cars", "sex", "crime", "drugs", "love" songs, once an artists steps out that box nobody would wana hear it, honestly could u imagine a song if Snoop was rappin' about bein' a bird- maybe he could be a bird of coke and tell a story but otha than that that shit would be wack.  dont b so judgemental on somethin that doesnt envolve u

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2008, 05:25:49 PM »
Most west coast music just sucks now to be honest. Bishop Lamont's been killin it with those street tapes especially Caltroit. Bay area is a diff story.
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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2008, 05:29:13 PM »
Most west coast music just sucks now to be honest. Bishop Lamont's been killin it with those street tapes especially Caltroit. Bay area is a diff story.

Bishop Lamont is another example. Will people allow him to have some creative say in his music or are they expecting some khaki/low ridin/gangsta shit. He is obviously not your "average" west coast artist so I hope people don't write him off and give the music a chance.
 

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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2008, 06:16:41 PM »
Snoop is a commercial artist, not an underground artist anymore - (rap music in general is now that way, we are the biggest in demand) being tha celebrity he is, he has to, if he didnt he would be another 50 Cent ass nigga.  No TV shows/no acting jobs (rarely), he would still be Snoop DOGGY Dogg and not Snoop Dogg, wens tha last time u heard some1 call him Snoop Doggy Dogg.  When his name changed thats wen his persona changed. Same as every other artist.  U have 2 appeal 2 ur core fans as well as ur fly by niters on 1 album.  He would be a dumb ass business man if he didnt.
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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2008, 06:30:10 PM »
Shit If thats tha case im still waitin on Muddy Waters II, with all tha scraped/unreleased beats updated and mixed by Dr. Dre and Erick Sermon with ALL Live Instruments.  And Bishop Lamont mite as well git leftover DeathRow, Chronic 2001 beats along with a couple renditions of songs off Regulate on there 2 and have Focus and DJ Quik replay and update all the music, have Dr. Dre mix the whole album with them.
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2008, 05:25:50 AM »
Snoop is a commercial artist, not an underground artist anymore - (rap music in general is now that way, we are the biggest in demand) being tha celebrity he is, he has to, if he didnt he would be another 50 Cent ass nigga.  No TV shows/no acting jobs (rarely), he would still be Snoop DOGGY Dogg and not Snoop Dogg, wens tha last time u heard some1 call him Snoop Doggy Dogg.  When his name changed thats wen his persona changed. Same as every other artist.  U have 2 appeal 2 ur core fans as well as ur fly by niters on 1 album.  He would be a dumb ass business man if he didnt.

LOL, when was Snoop ever an underground artist? You mean back when he released Doggystyle and sold 6 million and had Gin and Juice playing on MTV all day for a year?
 

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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2008, 01:33:00 PM »
Snoop is a commercial artist, not an underground artist anymore - (rap music in general is now that way, we are the biggest in demand) being tha celebrity he is, he has to, if he didnt he would be another 50 Cent ass nigga.  No TV shows/no acting jobs (rarely), he would still be Snoop DOGGY Dogg and not Snoop Dogg, wens tha last time u heard some1 call him Snoop Doggy Dogg.  When his name changed thats wen his persona changed. Same as every other artist.  U have 2 appeal 2 ur core fans as well as ur fly by niters on 1 album.  He would be a dumb ass business man if he didnt.

LOL, when was Snoop ever an underground artist? You mean back when he released Doggystyle and sold 6 million and had Gin and Juice playing on MTV all day for a year?


lol tru tru... but u cant deny if it wasnt 4 Dre, Snoop would've been on tha same plat-toe as Above The Law or the equivalent of wat tha Dogg Pound is today- alot of ppl heard of tha Dogg Pound but its not like "they r wat u say r superstars".  but UCC if u pay attention 2 wat u waz writin' u'll see exactly wat this post meant.  u may think its a bad thing 2 do songs like Sexual Eruption, but in all reality Snoop is still young its not like u see 50 year old rappers (even though ALOT r gettin' closer 2 that age) still rappin' about tha same shit (wit' a couple of exceptions)- rap hasnt been in tha masses that long.  snoop is a mega star, if he doesnt experiment now then by tha time he's on a Quincy Jones status he'll only have been in a 1 demintional level of music, and from wat it seems from wat i c, it looks like he's aimin' higher than that, just like alot of rappers r doin' nowadays, u cant play "In Da Club" at a funeral or play "Shoot Em In Tha Head" by Styles P while u tryna get some pussy.  Just like my man Crooked I say it's o-8' tha games in a checkmate, u gotta change up or u'll drift away.
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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2008, 03:02:17 PM »
Look at Murs, Look at Madlib all those are from the west and they actually make music that people can relate too and grow to , but doesnt get support because it aint GANGSTA enough

I agree with dat. Madlib is damn underated although he's a musical genius. Genius! One of the best producers ever and nobody writes about him.
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2008, 03:14:24 PM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

I agree 1000%. The west coast gangsta image is way played out, people want new, CREATIVE material and Snoop is aware of that. TBCT was cool, but it was hard for me to take Vato seriously, considering snoop is 36/37 years old and he's talking about gangbanging. That image is way past his prime so Ego Trippin' was awesome when I heard the album, it was so fresh and dynamic!

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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2008, 03:46:24 PM »
It is hard to be creative because in my opinion everything is played out.  hip hop is either some ugly ass dance, drugs, sex, gangbangin, money and power, love, etc.  all which are repeated over and fuckin over in hiphop songs from veteran and new artists. So just enjoy the music that you fuck wit. :)
 

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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2008, 03:58:20 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2008, 04:48:14 PM »
The west coast gangsta image is way played out, people want new, CREATIVE material and Snoop is aware of that. TBCT was cool, but it was hard for me to take Vato seriously, considering snoop is 36/37 years old and he's talking about gangbanging. That image is way past his prime so Ego Trippin' was awesome when I heard the album, it was so fresh and dynamic!

I loved Vato, but not because it was some gangbanging shit, but because the beat was fire, Snoop's flow was on point, and he did that cool ass ragga flow thing at the end that he did on Day The Niggaz Took Over

On the other hand I hate Sensual Seduction, not because it's a new sound, but because it's a crappy sound - the beat is kinda wack, Snoop's singing is a bit mediocre, the verse in there is pretty forgettable

I'm all for Snoop doing something different and fresh and exciting, as long as it's done on a high level. He could have made some 70s-80s style singing track and done it amazingly, I like the Cool cover on the album, that's way better done, but Sensual Seduction to me was an interesting idea that wasn't very well executed
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2008, 06:01:09 PM »
The west coast gangsta image is way played out, people want new, CREATIVE material and Snoop is aware of that. TBCT was cool, but it was hard for me to take Vato seriously, considering snoop is 36/37 years old and he's talking about gangbanging. That image is way past his prime so Ego Trippin' was awesome when I heard the album, it was so fresh and dynamic!

I loved Vato, but not because it was some gangbanging shit, but because the beat was fire, Snoop's flow was on point, and he did that cool ass ragga flow thing at the end that he did on Day The Niggaz Took Over

On the other hand I hate Sensual Seduction, not because it's a new sound, but because it's a crappy sound - the beat is kinda wack, Snoop's singing is a bit mediocre, the verse in there is pretty forgettable

I'm all for Snoop doing something different and fresh and exciting, as long as it's done on a high level. He could have made some 70s-80s style singing track and done it amazingly, I like the Cool cover on the album, that's way better done, but Sensual Seduction to me was an interesting idea that wasn't very well executed


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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2008, 07:59:51 PM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

I agree 1000%. The west coast gangsta image is way played out, people want new, CREATIVE material and Snoop is aware of that. TBCT was cool, but it was hard for me to take Vato seriously, considering snoop is 36/37 years old and he's talking about gangbanging. That image is way past his prime so Ego Trippin' was awesome when I heard the album, it was so fresh and dynamic!

At one point, Dr. Dre had intended for Detox to be a concept album. In an interview with MTV in 2002, Dr. Dre stated,

    I'm not talking about lowriders and blunts and all that anymore… I mean, that's played. As a matter of fact, I'm tired of hearing other people talk about it, to tell you the truth… I had to come up with something different but still keep it hardcore, so what I decided to do was make my album one story about one person and just do the record through a character's eyes, and everybody that appears on my album is going to be a character, so it's basically going to be a hip-hop musical.[14]


Nice post homie, +1. Good dialogue here, lets keep it going.
 

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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2008, 08:11:47 PM »
Snoop should do more albums like tha Doggfather

that had some gangsta shit but also had songs like Doggyland, Me and My Doggs, Vapors alotta storytelling to balance it out a little bit this was the perfect album and I like it better than Doggystyle

I think Doggystyle sounded like the Chronic with more Snoop its dope but just my opinion I like Doggfather
 

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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2008, 01:03:20 PM »
imo doggfather was garbage... i dont know what people on this forum see in that album. im guessing its nostalgia, but I don't know. his raps were weak, and so were half of the beats.

I was open to the idea of ego trippin. I like the idea of the songs, but most of them just don't sound good.
 

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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2008, 01:09:12 PM »
Snoop should do more albums like tha Doggfather

that had some gangsta shit but also had songs like Doggyland, Me and My Doggs, Vapors alotta storytelling to balance it out a little bit this was the perfect album and I like it better than Doggystyle

I think Doggystyle sounded like the Chronic with more Snoop its dope but just my opinion I like Doggfather

Yea, I haven't listened to Doggystyle in a while, compared to listening to Doggfather once on a while.
 

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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2008, 01:13:33 PM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

Real talk man, +1. I myself like to hear new shit, Snoops album was crazy to me, the whole gangsta shit was gettin to damn played, and he brought it with this album, i love that musical shit, Snoop did it right. But a bunch of people dont like it cause there young n dumb imo, there stuck with that gangsta music mentality, they think the song has to be hard or its garbage, that aint the case, its music, let the artists fuck around a bit and see what type of crack they come up with, people need to have a open mind!!!
 

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« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2008, 02:24:41 PM »
Seems the music industry has changed waves ever since the Nappy comment Imus mentioned last year. The term was very derogative and got officials discussing the whole matter of explicit material and where it's coming from. Politicians blamed it on rap, and a backlash against all our favorite artists was unleashed. Nas declared hip hop was dead from that point, and now, the radio has become infested with rap-influenced pop music. "Chicken Noodle Soup" for the soul indeed. Rather, for the grave.

Regarding west coast: after Pac died, the relevence of gangsta rap decreased, moreso after B.I.G. got shot. The subgenre had gone down the drain because of the people who were affected by it: Dre denounced his gangsta ways, Snoop Dogg was at a crossroads between Death Row and No Limit (the money hungry industry at that time), and the music west coast offered became more universal than street. Pharcyde, Xzibit, Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples: some of the well known west coast underground rappers at that time.

But one rapper who really changed the shape of music, period: Will Smith. The man whom you only thought of as an actor released Big Willie Style after the end of the east coast-west coast era. His old school swagger was gone for the most part (except on "Yes, Yes, Y'All" with Camp Lo), but he brought an entertainment value that eased the gangsta age and hinted on a new form of positive rap. In fact, on a PBS interview (don't remember which one and at what year), Nate Dogg was really insistant on working with him. Turned out that Snoop Dogg got his lucky shot on "Pump Ya Brakes," an easily slept on record. Listen to it.

I don't know if I can answer D-Nice's question directly, but what I do know is that the situation is a parallel of the Chicano Curse article I wrote last year, explaining why Chicano Rap will never achieve success in the music industry unless that Chicano rapper changes his ways by selling out. Baby Bash did it and got a lot of success; Lil' Rob did it, but became a one-hit wonder. That's because Bash moved to Texas while Rob stayed in Cali to represent the brown. The same could be said for Snoop: west coast fans think of gangsta rap as the higher music form in California. Hard beats, G-funk samples, rugged shots and gangbangin'. But the problem with that is, everyone's doing it. Every producer here in the U.S. has emulated the style to a very high that it is now impossible to duplicate. It's spread so far out that the U.S. has become the west. Ironic: that was what west coast wanted back in the 90's - Cali to overrun the U.S. Now look what happened. East coast artists have the west coast sound, while the west coast artist have the east coast lyrics (About a margin of rappers have that - and they're the hungry ones from the underground scene). Dirty south is a wild card - they work with whoever the fuck they want (and I'm proud of that).

Goes down to this: because the south is a wild card, they have pretty much decided the fate for how west coast should be represented.
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2008, 04:35:13 PM »
Because West Coast fans are 13 to 19 years old.. they were too young to dig the G-Funk Era, so its new to them, so they are wondering why the artists cant drop shit like that anymore, because they didnt not have the chance to grow with the artist and get with his evolution. and In my opinion... the West Is just a coast on a map, thats it, to me music is music, as long as its dope in my ears, and shiit West Coast Music aint about Gangsta Rap only... Look at Murs, Look at Madlib all those are from the west and they actually make music that people can relate too and grow to , but doesnt get support because it aint GANGSTA enough
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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2008, 07:00:12 PM »
Seems the music industry has changed waves ever since the Nappy comment Imus mentioned last year. The term was very derogative and got officials discussing the whole matter of explicit material and where it's coming from. Politicians blamed it on rap, and a backlash against all our favorite artists was unleashed. Nas declared hip hop was dead from that point, and now, the radio has become infested with rap-influenced pop music. "Chicken Noodle Soup" for the soul indeed. Rather, for the grave.

Regarding west coast: after Pac died, the relevence of gangsta rap decreased, moreso after B.I.G. got shot. The subgenre had gone down the drain because of the people who were affected by it: Dre denounced his gangsta ways, Snoop Dogg was at a crossroads between Death Row and No Limit (the money hungry industry at that time), and the music west coast offered became more universal than street. Pharcyde, Xzibit, Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples: some of the well known west coast underground rappers at that time.

But one rapper who really changed the shape of music, period: Will Smith. The man whom you only thought of as an actor released Big Willie Style after the end of the east coast-west coast era. His old school swagger was gone for the most part (except on "Yes, Yes, Y'All" with Camp Lo), but he brought an entertainment value that eased the gangsta age and hinted on a new form of positive rap. In fact, on a PBS interview (don't remember which one and at what year), Nate Dogg was really insistant on working with him. Turned out that Snoop Dogg got his lucky shot on "Pump Ya Brakes," an easily slept on record. Listen to it.

I don't know if I can answer D-Nice's question directly, but what I do know is that the situation is a parallel of the Chicano Curse article I wrote last year, explaining why Chicano Rap will never achieve success in the music industry unless that Chicano rapper changes his ways by selling out. Baby Bash did it and got a lot of success; Lil' Rob did it, but became a one-hit wonder. That's because Bash moved to Texas while Rob stayed in Cali to represent the brown. The same could be said for Snoop: west coast fans think of gangsta rap as the higher music form in California. Hard beats, G-funk samples, rugged shots and gangbangin'. But the problem with that is, everyone's doing it. Every producer here in the U.S. has emulated the style to a very high that it is now impossible to duplicate. It's spread so far out that the U.S. has become the west. Ironic: that was what west coast wanted back in the 90's - Cali to overrun the U.S. Now look what happened. East coast artists have the west coast sound, while the west coast artist have the east coast lyrics (About a margin of rappers have that - and they're the hungry ones from the underground scene). Dirty south is a wild card - they work with whoever the fuck they want (and I'm proud of that).

Goes down to this: because the south is a wild card, they have pretty much decided the fate for how west coast should be represented.

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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2008, 06:47:09 AM »
I was open to the idea of ego trippin. I like the idea of the songs, but most of them just don't sound good.

Co-sign right here


But a bunch of people dont like it cause there young n dumb imo, there stuck with that gangsta music mentality, they think the song has to be hard or its garbage, that aint the case, its music, let the artists fuck around a bit and see what type of crack they come up with, people need to have a open mind!!!

It doesn't have to be hard, it just has to be good. Can't people just accept that other people think the beats and raps are wack on this album? You can't keep hiding behind the excuse that it's so fresh that some people just aren't getting it. As I co-signed above - I was very open to the idea, it just so happened that it came out kinda wack PLUS he only flipped the script on like 3-4 tracks, the rest is his usually stuff, but easy listening style forgettable beats and verses
IMO this would mainly appeal to 'young n dumb' listeners who a) haven't heard that many dope beats, b) don't know what a dope verse sounds like, and c) want to sing 'i waaannnnaaa taaake myyyyy tiiiimeee' etc in the playground


Seems the music industry has changed waves ever since the Nappy comment Imus mentioned last year. The term was very derogative and got officials discussing the whole matter of explicit material and where it's coming from. Politicians blamed it on rap, and a backlash against all our favorite artists was unleashed. Nas declared hip hop was dead from that point, and now, the radio has become infested with rap-influenced pop music. "Chicken Noodle Soup" for the soul indeed. Rather, for the grave.

Regarding west coast: after Pac died, the relevence of gangsta rap decreased, moreso after B.I.G. got shot. The subgenre had gone down the drain because of the people who were affected by it: Dre denounced his gangsta ways, Snoop Dogg was at a crossroads between Death Row and No Limit (the money hungry industry at that time), and the music west coast offered became more universal than street. Pharcyde, Xzibit, Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples: some of the well known west coast underground rappers at that time.

But one rapper who really changed the shape of music, period: Will Smith. The man whom you only thought of as an actor released Big Willie Style after the end of the east coast-west coast era. His old school swagger was gone for the most part (except on "Yes, Yes, Y'All" with Camp Lo), but he brought an entertainment value that eased the gangsta age and hinted on a new form of positive rap. In fact, on a PBS interview (don't remember which one and at what year), Nate Dogg was really insistant on working with him. Turned out that Snoop Dogg got his lucky shot on "Pump Ya Brakes," an easily slept on record. Listen to it.

I don't know if I can answer D-Nice's question directly, but what I do know is that the situation is a parallel of the Chicano Curse article I wrote last year, explaining why Chicano Rap will never achieve success in the music industry unless that Chicano rapper changes his ways by selling out. Baby Bash did it and got a lot of success; Lil' Rob did it, but became a one-hit wonder. That's because Bash moved to Texas while Rob stayed in Cali to represent the brown. The same could be said for Snoop: west coast fans think of gangsta rap as the higher music form in California. Hard beats, G-funk samples, rugged shots and gangbangin'. But the problem with that is, everyone's doing it. Every producer here in the U.S. has emulated the style to a very high that it is now impossible to duplicate. It's spread so far out that the U.S. has become the west. Ironic: that was what west coast wanted back in the 90's - Cali to overrun the U.S. Now look what happened. East coast artists have the west coast sound, while the west coast artist have the east coast lyrics (About a margin of rappers have that - and they're the hungry ones from the underground scene). Dirty south is a wild card - they work with whoever the fuck they want (and I'm proud of that).

Goes down to this: because the south is a wild card, they have pretty much decided the fate for how west coast should be represented.

Nice history lesson, but sum it up, what's your point. I don't see how Imus relates to pop-rap, it's been around a long time before that, that incident just made a few folks mad at rap for a couple of minutes, no one went, "oh Imus made a racist comment, well, better go make me some pop rap". Will Smith didn't make a huge dent either, we'd already had Puffy and Mase making pop bullshit for a while then, Will just added on to it

Southern rap has been popular recently because they figured out the formula that makes millions of kids buy your records, rather than just hiphop heads - you come up with a beat that you can dance to, you have a little keyboard melody that sticks in motherfuckers heads, you add a catchy as hell hook, then you just bullshit your way through your verses and say anything, as long as you're doing it with 'swagger'. Then you have your flossy video with you in crazy sunglasses, some jeans hung low, mad cars and bitches, and cameos from all the people who had a hit single last week



 

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2008, 08:57:34 AM »
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Nice history lesson, but sum it up, what's your point.

Only to bring up interesting thoughts to the table, as Chad Vader and D-Nice said. I couldn't come up with a straight answer because there's a lot of additional factors I left out. I won't go into that much detali, but I can purely say:

If it's anybody other than a west coast artist, they'll make it to the top.
If it's a west coast artist, they can only do west coast music, but they can't duplicate any one else.
 

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2008, 09:26:51 AM »
Ive said it once, I'll say it a million times. West Coast Fans just can't let go. That's why whenever there's another person doing hooks you see comments like "Nate should've done that hook!" or "Why not use Butch Cassidy?" Or you, when artists get producers outside of the West, "Why did they get some East Coast shit? That's wack! They should've got some G-Funk shit." Uh... It's 2008. G-Funk hasn't been shit in over 10 years. Why would anyone want that shit back? It's just cats can't get over it. They fell deeply in love with it and they're just not done with it.

Snoop can't try new things because his fans HATE that. They hate that Snoop is not exclusive to them anymore. God forbid if DJ Quik tried something new, people are having a heart attack. No artists from the West Coast really get the OK from their fans to go out and try new shit. Hell, even some artists from the West Coast don't get love from West Coast fans because they (the artists) aren't Gangsta, Street or G-Funk enough for them. But these fans still sit here and claim to be as West Coast as anyone. Which is also why I say they're hypocritical. They have the nerve to diss Southern dudes for their lyrical content, but big up Suga Free or Mac Shawn in the next sentence.

West Coast fans just aren't open. The Game is about as West Coast as they come, but his appeal extends well passed the West. There's a reason why he wasn't broke on the West Coast first. He had to get broken in New York and on THEIR Mixtape scene because the West Coast doesn't work that way. West Coast fans complain left and right about Mixtapes. They either getting them free or for real cheap and they're making all sorts of ridiculous excuses why they don't like them. If West Coast fans were more supportive of Mixtapes, believe that the Radio would be more supportive. But since the West Coast fans are a bunch of hoes, they don't support anything enough for it to blow up. Even when their "Gods" Snoop, Daz or Kurupt drop something, they find a reason to hate on their record. "Oh they had [insert non-West artist(s) here] on the record. They should've had RBX, Lady of Rage, Lil Half Dead, Butch Cassidy, Goldie Loc, Nate Dogg, Soopafly, or Mr. Malik on the record!!!!"

We're gonna have to wait for a new batch of West Coast fans. We're still surrounded by people who were introduced to the West Coast either during the G-Funk or 2001 era's of West Coast Hip Hop which were dominated by the same people they're in love with today. West Coast fans who were introduced to the West by Game, Omar Cruz, Bishop Lamont etc. will be a new day. Just gotta be patient and see what those fans do with the West Coast. These current fans, coupled with old ass rappers ain't doing shit with it.