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« Reply #75 on: March 12, 2008, 04:28:34 PM »
to some this thread up people just need 2 move on, even Parliment stopped makin' records and while we're at it, even James Brown did (RIP).  if i could put all tha complaints in 1 topic, dubcc could clear out alot of space 4 NEWER artist 2 get they shine on and expand 2 somethin else... new artist new plateu (here)
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« Reply #76 on: March 12, 2008, 06:08:51 PM »
to some this thread up people just need 2 move on, even Parliment stopped makin' records and while we're at it, even James Brown did (RIP).  if i could put all tha complaints in 1 topic, dubcc could clear out alot of space 4 NEWER artist 2 get they shine on and expand 2 somethin else... new artist new plateu (here)

Appreciate the post. But this can be directed to new artists as well. You don't think people give the "New West" a hard time too? It's a catch 22 for them too. If they music is too innovative and new, people will write it off. If they keep it hood they are living in the past with the OGs. Shit ain't fair, but I have not seen anything different to change my viewpoint. Dubcnn is one of the only wc and hip hop outlets that showcases ALL types of music from the west and I salute them for that.
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« Reply #77 on: March 12, 2008, 06:18:41 PM »
to some this thread up people just need 2 move on, even Parliment stopped makin' records and while we're at it, even James Brown did (RIP).  if i could put all tha complaints in 1 topic, dubcc could clear out alot of space 4 NEWER artist 2 get they shine on and expand 2 somethin else... new artist new plateu (here)

Appreciate the post. But this can be directed to new artists as well. You don't think people give the "New West" a hard time too? It's a catch 22 for them too. If they music is too innovative and new, people will write it off. If they keep it hood they are living in the past with the OGs. Shit ain't fair, but I have not seen anything different to change my viewpoint. Dubcnn is one of the only wc and hip hop outlets that showcases ALL types of music from the west and I salute them for that.

no i jus think ppl need 2 get up off they ass and live a lil' (whether they have friends or girlfriends or not).  its only a handful of ppl on here that think that way, u cant generalize it 4 everybody.  the "NEW" west is filled wit a buncha corny ass niggaz, even Bishop Lamont said dat shit, them niggaz is wack- weather they conchis or gangsta or w/e, them niggaz is wack.  u cant blame tha MASS MAJORITY of ppl EVERYWHERE 4 not likin' bullshit (theres nothing "innovative" about garbage bag muzik).  u cant go by sales anymore, i dont even kno why ppl still complain, its all about who got skiils, whether ppl realize that shit or not.  i mean c'mon do yall actually think Detox is gonna go platinum (Gold... MAYBE)?? Dr. Dre is gona have tha most downloaded album in history, i betcha life on that.  its tha same ol talk, tha same ol raps on these forums and in pop culture in general, i just havent realized why ppl havent moved on?
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« Reply #78 on: March 12, 2008, 06:23:50 PM »
^u really don't think detox will go platinum?
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« Reply #79 on: March 12, 2008, 06:26:04 PM »
to some this thread up people just need 2 move on, even Parliment stopped makin' records and while we're at it, even James Brown did (RIP).  if i could put all tha complaints in 1 topic, dubcc could clear out alot of space 4 NEWER artist 2 get they shine on and expand 2 somethin else... new artist new plateu (here)

Appreciate the post. But this can be directed to new artists as well. You don't think people give the "New West" a hard time too? It's a catch 22 for them too. If they music is too innovative and new, people will write it off. If they keep it hood they are living in the past with the OGs. Shit ain't fair, but I have not seen anything different to change my viewpoint. Dubcnn is one of the only wc and hip hop outlets that showcases ALL types of music from the west and I salute them for that.

no i jus think ppl need 2 get up off they ass and live a lil' (whether they have friends or girlfriends or not).  its only a handful of ppl on here that think that way, u cant generalize it 4 everybody.  the "NEW" west is filled wit a buncha corny ass niggaz, even Bishop Lamont said dat shit, them niggaz is wack- weather they conchis or gangsta or w/e, them niggaz is wack.  u cant blame tha MASS MAJORITY of ppl EVERYWHERE 4 not likin' bullshit (theres nothing "innovative" about garbage bag muzik).  u cant go by sales anymore, i dont even kno why ppl still complain, its all about who got skiils, whether ppl realize that shit or not.  i mean c'mon do yall actually think Detox is gonna go platinum (Gold... MAYBE)?? Dr. Dre is gona have tha most downloaded album in history, i betcha life on that.  its tha same ol talk, tha same ol raps on these forums and in pop culture in general, i just havent realized why ppl havent moved on?

I don't know if you are directing the members need to move on quote towards me or not. I did state earlier in the post that there is alot of wack shit out there. I and others are talking about the dope artists that don't get recognized for dropping not the same ol run of the mill gangsta shit out here. I am not blaming the mass majority but as someone from the west I am simply trying to get some dialogue going about our artists out here. If people don't want to respond to it, there is a billion other threads they can go into.
 

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« Reply #80 on: March 12, 2008, 06:27:06 PM »
And Detox would DEFINITELY go plat. Actually if it went just plat it would still be considered a flop.
 

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« Reply #81 on: March 12, 2008, 07:33:31 PM »
im not pointin no fingers im just speakin my mind, i didnt even read most of tha shit past page 2.  Detox cant go platinum and platinum nowadays isnt considered a flop, u can compare it 2 tha economy's inflation (back then prices and pay wages 2 now).  there has been musical growth out da ass.  if Snoop woulda dropped Sexual Seduction in 95' then he wouldnt even b here (unless it was on some gangsta shit).  same wit' MOST if not all artist. 
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« Reply #82 on: March 12, 2008, 07:38:16 PM »
im not pointin no fingers im just speakin my mind, i didnt even read most of tha shit past page 2.  Detox cant go platinum and platinum nowadays isnt considered a flop, u can compare it 2 tha economy's inflation (back then prices and pay wages 2 now).  there has been musical growth out da ass.  if Snoop woulda dropped Sexual Seduction in 95' then he wouldnt even b here (unless it was on some gangsta shit).  same wit' MOST if not all artist. 

If you go from selling 5-6 million records to 1 million, unfortunately it is considered a flop. Ask 50 if he thought Curtis was going to barely go platinum. For all that shit talking he was doing, a mil is a flop. Now for maybe a Snoop a mil is more the standard. If Dre dropped a album next month, as long as it was advertised and he had a release date he would stick by, that shit would sell at least 300-500k first week. Hell Kanye sold over 900k first week.
 

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« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2008, 01:35:29 AM »
im not pointin no fingers im just speakin my mind, i didnt even read most of tha shit past page 2.  Detox cant go platinum and platinum nowadays isnt considered a flop, u can compare it 2 tha economy's inflation (back then prices and pay wages 2 now).  there has been musical growth out da ass.  if Snoop woulda dropped Sexual Seduction in 95' then he wouldnt even b here (unless it was on some gangsta shit).  same wit' MOST if not all artist. 

If you go from selling 5-6 million records to 1 million, unfortunately it is considered a flop. Ask 50 if he thought Curtis was going to barely go platinum. For all that shit talking he was doing, a mil is a flop. Now for maybe a Snoop a mil is more the standard. If Dre dropped a album next month, as long as it was advertised and he had a release date he would stick by, that shit would sell at least 300-500k first week. Hell Kanye sold over 900k first week.
yeah but kayne is top'n out at 2mill,think about that was the biggest hip hop album in awhile and it had world wide appeal and it top'd out already???, a flop is when you don't make money bacc for your project and you stay in the red,if 50 sold 3 mill stupid fans would say it's a flop,but again let one of there favorites not do good sales and they are gonna make every excuse possible to say it's not a flop, lames, buy music you enjoy,and cats need to realize once again the west is more then just gangsta shit,i like what snoop did,cause he said fucc it,i'm gonna do some shit on this album that i want to try, and even tho some songs is out there and not typical hip hop,his mindstate and how he did it is pure hip hop, with that i don't give a fucc what they think attitude,may not love it,but got to respect it yell
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« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2008, 06:44:39 AM »
Why judge people for their musical preference?
So I will pass this as people in general,right?

How many Backpackers have you met?
You must have not met many if any at all to not understand how Underground heads think.
I'm not judging on preference, I'm "judging" on lack of openess.

Let me change the words around a little bit for you;
"All Arabic people hate Americans and wants to kill them"  :-X
Why judge people for; where theyre from,color,religion and sexual preferences?

How many Arabic people have you met?
You must have not met many if any at all to not understand how Arabic people think.

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Ill just leave this thread with these words;
Im tired of this bickering between the alternative scene and the gangster scene.
Whos most real,underground and hardcore... etc.  :P
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« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2008, 12:36:00 PM »
im not pointin no fingers im just speakin my mind, i didnt even read most of tha shit past page 2.  Detox cant go platinum and platinum nowadays isnt considered a flop, u can compare it 2 tha economy's inflation (back then prices and pay wages 2 now).  there has been musical growth out da ass.  if Snoop woulda dropped Sexual Seduction in 95' then he wouldnt even b here (unless it was on some gangsta shit).  same wit' MOST if not all artist. 

If you go from selling 5-6 million records to 1 million, unfortunately it is considered a flop. Ask 50 if he thought Curtis was going to barely go platinum. For all that shit talking he was doing, a mil is a flop. Now for maybe a Snoop a mil is more the standard. If Dre dropped a album next month, as long as it was advertised and he had a release date he would stick by, that shit would sell at least 300-500k first week. Hell Kanye sold over 900k first week.
yeah but kayne is top'n out at 2mill,think about that was the biggest hip hop album in awhile and it had world wide appeal and it top'd out already???, a flop is when you don't make money bacc for your project and you stay in the red,if 50 sold 3 mill stupid fans would say it's a flop,but again let one of there favorites not do good sales and they are gonna make every excuse possible to say it's not a flop, lames, buy music you enjoy,and cats need to realize once again the west is more then just gangsta shit,i like what snoop did,cause he said fucc it,i'm gonna do some shit on this album that i want to try, and even tho some songs is out there and not typical hip hop,his mindstate and how he did it is pure hip hop, with that i don't give a fucc what they think attitude,may not love it,but got to respect it yell

Agreed. To most people it looks like a flop but as long as you ain't owning.
 

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« Reply #86 on: March 13, 2008, 02:20:59 PM »
people hear westcoast and it's automatically - "my lowrida, bloods, crips, bitchs, chronic, khakis" type shit.... not hatin' i love west coast music, and there ain't nuthin like a classic westcoast anthem/ but people always gotta be open to new sounds and styles...

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« Reply #87 on: March 13, 2008, 03:12:48 PM »
im not pointin no fingers im just speakin my mind, i didnt even read most of tha shit past page 2.  Detox cant go platinum and platinum nowadays isnt considered a flop, u can compare it 2 tha economy's inflation (back then prices and pay wages 2 now).  there has been musical growth out da ass.  if Snoop woulda dropped Sexual Seduction in 95' then he wouldnt even b here (unless it was on some gangsta shit).  same wit' MOST if not all artist. 

If you go from selling 5-6 million records to 1 million, unfortunately it is considered a flop. Ask 50 if he thought Curtis was going to barely go platinum. For all that shit talking he was doing, a mil is a flop. Now for maybe a Snoop a mil is more the standard. If Dre dropped a album next month, as long as it was advertised and he had a release date he would stick by, that shit would sell at least 300-500k first week. Hell Kanye sold over 900k first week.

would ya'll PLEASE STOP going by sales, sales r done, they're over with, they're tha old way of measuring an artist.  EVERYONE from Fiona Apple 2 Bathgate is going to suffer (in a sense ) from sales so u cant measure it like that anymore.  It's NOT considered a flop- ur actually doing EXTRAVAGINT if u sell a million (even if ur a brand new star or a vet), if Dr. Dre sold 10,000 albums he would STILL be Dr. Dre- it would have NOTHING 2 do wit sales.  50 knew Kanye was going 2 outsell him, u had 2 b a blind muthafucka not 2 c that, and it has NOTHING 2 do wit' popularity bcuz they're BOTH HUGE artist.  Platinum is not tha standard anymore, it never really was- except 2006/2007.  Dre probably would sell a mill now that i think about it BUT Interscope would probably buy half just so Dre could keep his name good, ur tryna argue wit' some1 who is a music condinsuer- ur gonna lose lol.  50 or Kanye wouldnt even have sold as much if it wasnt 4 tha publicity, why do u think NOONE believed it in tha 1st place- it went dead quikly.  SOULJA BOY woulda went DIAMOND off his single if it wasnt 4 leechers- remember the group "Tag Team", now white folx wasnt on hip hop like that back then like they r now, so add all tha new fans and people who love dance songs- sales woulda SKY ROCKETED.  look this topic went from growth to Snoop Dogg 2 sales, and wat they both have in common is ppl are used 2 an old way of thinkin' about shit and not opend minded enuff 2 CONSIDER something else.  u want something fresh and brand new right up off tha shelves then go 2 sckool 4 music and do it urselvs.  todays is a new game, hell its not even tha early 2000's anymore- shit is on a brand new plateu, why do u think mixtapes are so popular?  now instead of a MAINSTREAM artist droppin nothin' but "Get Low pt. 300000" and "I'm A Gangsta pt. 50000000" on their albums, they can branch out and do wat tha fuck they want on mixtapes- ya'll should peep them out b4 u write off an artist like a Plies or a Rick Ross....
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« Reply #88 on: March 13, 2008, 06:46:41 PM »
im not pointin no fingers im just speakin my mind, i didnt even read most of tha shit past page 2.  Detox cant go platinum and platinum nowadays isnt considered a flop, u can compare it 2 tha economy's inflation (back then prices and pay wages 2 now).  there has been musical growth out da ass.  if Snoop woulda dropped Sexual Seduction in 95' then he wouldnt even b here (unless it was on some gangsta shit).  same wit' MOST if not all artist. 

If you go from selling 5-6 million records to 1 million, unfortunately it is considered a flop. Ask 50 if he thought Curtis was going to barely go platinum. For all that shit talking he was doing, a mil is a flop. Now for maybe a Snoop a mil is more the standard. If Dre dropped a album next month, as long as it was advertised and he had a release date he would stick by, that shit would sell at least 300-500k first week. Hell Kanye sold over 900k first week.

would ya'll PLEASE STOP going by sales, sales r done, they're over with, they're tha old way of measuring an artist.  EVERYONE from Fiona Apple 2 Bathgate is going to suffer (in a sense ) from sales so u cant measure it like that anymore.  It's NOT considered a flop- ur actually doing EXTRAVAGINT if u sell a million (even if ur a brand new star or a vet), if Dr. Dre sold 10,000 albums he would STILL be Dr. Dre- it would have NOTHING 2 do wit sales.  50 knew Kanye was going 2 outsell him, u had 2 b a blind muthafucka not 2 c that, and it has NOTHING 2 do wit' popularity bcuz they're BOTH HUGE artist.  Platinum is not tha standard anymore, it never really was- except 2006/2007.  Dre probably would sell a mill now that i think about it BUT Interscope would probably buy half just so Dre could keep his name good, ur tryna argue wit' some1 who is a music condinsuer- ur gonna lose lol.  50 or Kanye wouldnt even have sold as much if it wasnt 4 tha publicity, why do u think NOONE believed it in tha 1st place- it went dead quikly.  SOULJA BOY woulda went DIAMOND off his single if it wasnt 4 leechers- remember the group "Tag Team", now white folx wasnt on hip hop like that back then like they r now, so add all tha new fans and people who love dance songs- sales woulda SKY ROCKETED.  look this topic went from growth to Snoop Dogg 2 sales, and wat they both have in common is ppl are used 2 an old way of thinkin' about shit and not opend minded enuff 2 CONSIDER something else.  u want something fresh and brand new right up off tha shelves then go 2 sckool 4 music and do it urselvs.  todays is a new game, hell its not even tha early 2000's anymore- shit is on a brand new plateu, why do u think mixtapes are so popular?  now instead of a MAINSTREAM artist droppin nothin' but "Get Low pt. 300000" and "I'm A Gangsta pt. 50000000" on their albums, they can branch out and do wat tha fuck they want on mixtapes- ya'll should peep them out b4 u write off an artist like a Plies or a Rick Ross....

U need to make your mind up man. U brought up sales and saying that Dre could not go plat. All I said was he can. period. Now you want people to stop talking about it.
 

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2008, 02:27:09 PM »
snoop went way to far to the left on that eggo drippin' bullshit. i think snoop showed a lot of diversity on tha blue carpet treatment album because it wasn't just gangsta shit(even though i can listen to gangsta snoop forever) it had shit that make you ponder a bit. the west needs to get their musical backing back. it has nothing to do wit the 90's. dre doesn't make beats that sound like the first chronic any more but he didn't abandon his sound either.
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« Reply #91 on: October 29, 2008, 05:09:38 PM »
Why cant it be that Snoop just can't rap anymore. He is very simplistic on the mic and says the same thing on to many songs. He sounds awful on the new E-40 song with Game. His verse is unlistenable as was ego Trippin. Dude just lost it thats all. Lots of artists loose it after while thats why they stop recording and just tour with their old material. Still a good living.
 

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« Reply #92 on: October 29, 2008, 05:42:17 PM »
Snoop went way to far to the left on that ego drippin' bullshit.
I think snoop showed a lot of diversity on tha blue carpet treatment album because it wasn't just gangster shit(even though i can listen to gangster snoop forever) it had shit that make you ponder a bit.
the west needs to get their musical backing back.
it has nothing to do wit the 90's.
Dre doesn't make beats that sound like the first Chronic any more but he didn't abandon his sound either.

Why cant it be that Snoop just can't rap anymore.
He is very simplistic on the Mic and says the same thing on to many songs.
He sounds awful on the new E-40 song with Game. His verse is unlistenable as was Ego Trippin.
Dude just lost it thats all. Lots of artists loose it after while thats why they stop recording and just tour with their old material. Still a good living.


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« Reply #93 on: October 29, 2008, 05:52:59 PM »
I heard some of the best west coast songs in a long time from Jayo Felony and it's not all g funked out( i hope some in on the album) but it's fresh and it's west coast music. The production on Game's album is good. no down south crunk shit. muthafuckas is turning in to followers instead of trend setters like they used to be Ice Cube ain't even the same no more. he raps over shit the ying yang twins would be rapping to. it's not even about letting them grow but are they growing ? is snoop letting another nigga write his album growing ? my thing is grow and top the standard each and every time by delivering great product.
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« Reply #94 on: June 11, 2009, 06:50:33 AM »
i had to bring back this great topic by D~Nice: it never gets old.

it keeps surprising me that some people on this forum actually believe that growing as an artist, is equal to making more accessible music and/or taking a 180 degree spin with the direction.

let's make this clear: making more accessible music, does not mean that an artist has grown: he/she is just trying to appeal to a bigger audience ( to stay relevant).
when an artist has grown, it means that he/she has developed himself/herself more.

like some other poster had mentioned before, a great example of this is producer Dr.Dre: he has switched up his sound several times but he keeps it true to himself.

with each new Paris soloalbum, you kind of know what to expect of it: that doesn't take anything away from the quality at all.
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
not to mention that he actually addresses issues that are relevant today.

so it doesn't mean that DJ Quik & Kurupt can't make dance/club music; same with Cube.
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« Reply #95 on: June 11, 2009, 07:42:35 AM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

First they have to actually have fucking growth. Not fucking Rehash, Stop making songs that are just fucking Sequels...Now some are good sequels, I mean if Detox came with a "final" episode, and sucked bawls, we would call it out. If it was amazing. We would call it amazing. Snoop sound is softer, and RnB. I mean he always said that "You gotta get yours before I get mine" shit. Look at the lyrics of DoggyStyle. He sings the same fucking thing over and over, just in a different tune, with a different beat. He modifies word play to make it sound different.

Now if his ass can actually come up with better lyrics besides his usual shit. Then He's grown lyrical (or fucked up. Depends on what he chooses). Another thing that pisses me off, is these fucking West Coast Artist selling out their roots, then expect our fucking support. Look at The Game, D.A. was a choice album, classic west coast sound. Now look at L.A.X. I mean honestly wtf??? How could he go from the grinding west coast style, to East/south produce beats.


The fucking nigga had a FUCKING SONG CALLED MONEY!!! MONEY!!! OK!!! You CAN'T fucking SELL OUT MORE then that shit. Fucking Eminem's ass sold out with Crack A Bottle. Yet the same mother fuckers here who say "fuck that club shit" Are banging out Crack a bottle like its not 1. When Crack a Bottle's Lyrics are describing them in a club, with fucking cars, and money (50's verse mostly).

I'll bang out the West Coast artist better shit only. The times when they didn't sell out or give a fuck about the Censors. Some mother fuckers can't get passed the same shit. Look at Eminem (I know he isn;t west) but look at his album Relapse. Same shit: Homosexuals, So called "Shock" Lyrics, Slim Shady, Drug abuse and his Mom. Only thing he forgot was KIM and I bet her ass will be on Relapse 2 getting shot by him again.

I'm fucking sick and tired of fucking artist from any fucking coast, afraid to do anything fucking innovated anymore. They all go into the same area, with nothing new. Look at Jay Z: His bitch ass Is copying Movies, He's copied Artist, Barrow fucking rhymes. His bitch ass needs to pick up a pen and just fucking thing. Then you got all these fucking arrtards on Pac. Barrowing Pac verses, Throwing up Tupac. When he was alive he wasn't FUCKING WITH YOU.HE was Dissing your bitch ass, 4 good reason, and while you artist didn't have the balls to put a Pac diss on your record, You weren't afraid to do it on radio stations, and various other places, but I guess since their is no record. You can play people thinking pac was insane.

Now today Artist are starting to become hypocrites. Look at Cypress Hill. III Temples of Boom had them talking down to other rappers who have Pop songs as Singles. Now they doing it, going mainstream and have dropped their Sonic production style after IV.

Can I allow musical Growth??? Oh fucking A, I want Fucking Lyrical growth. I want all these artist to put something into their work. I'm talking Lyrical shit. Like Nas on Illmatic, or Eminem on TMMLP or fucking Rakim.

Everyone of these fucking artist are failing to grow lyrically. They either Sell out, Rehash, or just being hypocrites. Only asshole who's actually done it right is fucking Dr. Dre. He's Dropped 2 fucking albums. Both of which are still in heavy rotation among artist, fans, radio stations, TV stations. I mean their are other artist who did it right also, but that's like only about 10 tops.
 

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #96 on: June 11, 2009, 10:23:25 AM »
^i think i'm a bit more tolerant than you, but you perfectly broke down the points i was trying to make ;)

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #97 on: June 11, 2009, 12:11:52 PM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

First they have to actually have fucking growth. Not fucking Rehash, Stop making songs that are just fucking Sequels...Now some are good sequels, I mean if Detox came with a "final" episode, and sucked bawls, we would call it out. If it was amazing. We would call it amazing. Snoop sound is softer, and RnB. I mean he always said that "You gotta get yours before I get mine" shit. Look at the lyrics of DoggyStyle. He sings the same fucking thing over and over, just in a different tune, with a different beat. He modifies word play to make it sound different.

Now if his ass can actually come up with better lyrics besides his usual shit. Then He's grown lyrical (or fucked up. Depends on what he chooses). Another thing that pisses me off, is these fucking West Coast Artist selling out their roots, then expect our fucking support. Look at The Game, D.A. was a choice album, classic west coast sound. Now look at L.A.X. I mean honestly wtf??? How could he go from the grinding west coast style, to East/south produce beats.


The fucking nigga had a FUCKING SONG CALLED MONEY!!! MONEY!!! OK!!! You CAN'T fucking SELL OUT MORE then that shit. Fucking Eminem's ass sold out with Crack A Bottle. Yet the same mother fuckers here who say "fuck that club shit" Are banging out Crack a bottle like its not 1. When Crack a Bottle's Lyrics are describing them in a club, with fucking cars, and money (50's verse mostly).

I'll bang out the West Coast artist better shit only. The times when they didn't sell out or give a fuck about the Censors. Some mother fuckers can't get passed the same shit. Look at Eminem (I know he isn;t west) but look at his album Relapse. Same shit: Homosexuals, So called "Shock" Lyrics, Slim Shady, Drug abuse and his Mom. Only thing he forgot was KIM and I bet her ass will be on Relapse 2 getting shot by him again.

I'm fucking sick and tired of fucking artist from any fucking coast, afraid to do anything fucking innovated anymore. They all go into the same area, with nothing new. Look at Jay Z: His bitch ass Is copying Movies, He's copied Artist, Barrow fucking rhymes. His bitch ass needs to pick up a pen and just fucking thing. Then you got all these fucking arrtards on Pac. Barrowing Pac verses, Throwing up Tupac. When he was alive he wasn't FUCKING WITH YOU.HE was Dissing your bitch ass, 4 good reason, and while you artist didn't have the balls to put a Pac diss on your record, You weren't afraid to do it on radio stations, and various other places, but I guess since their is no record. You can play people thinking pac was insane.

Now today Artist are starting to become hypocrites. Look at Cypress Hill. III Temples of Boom had them talking down to other rappers who have Pop songs as Singles. Now they doing it, going mainstream and have dropped their Sonic production style after IV.

Can I allow musical Growth??? Oh fucking A, I want Fucking Lyrical growth. I want all these artist to put something into their work. I'm talking Lyrical shit. Like Nas on Illmatic, or Eminem on TMMLP or fucking Rakim.

Everyone of these fucking artist are failing to grow lyrically. They either Sell out, Rehash, or just being hypocrites. Only asshole who's actually done it right is fucking Dr. Dre. He's Dropped 2 fucking albums. Both of which are still in heavy rotation among artist, fans, radio stations, TV stations. I mean their are other artist who did it right also, but that's like only about 10 tops.

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2009, 06:10:37 PM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

First they have to actually have fucking growth. Not fucking Rehash, Stop making songs that are just fucking Sequels...Now some are good sequels, I mean if Detox came with a "final" episode, and sucked bawls, we would call it out. If it was amazing. We would call it amazing. Snoop sound is softer, and RnB. I mean he always said that "You gotta get yours before I get mine" shit. Look at the lyrics of DoggyStyle. He sings the same fucking thing over and over, just in a different tune, with a different beat. He modifies word play to make it sound different.

Now if his ass can actually come up with better lyrics besides his usual shit. Then He's grown lyrical (or fucked up. Depends on what he chooses). Another thing that pisses me off, is these fucking West Coast Artist selling out their roots, then expect our fucking support. Look at The Game, D.A. was a choice album, classic west coast sound. Now look at L.A.X. I mean honestly wtf??? How could he go from the grinding west coast style, to East/south produce beats.


The fucking nigga had a FUCKING SONG CALLED MONEY!!! MONEY!!! OK!!! You CAN'T fucking SELL OUT MORE then that shit. Fucking Eminem's ass sold out with Crack A Bottle. Yet the same mother fuckers here who say "fuck that club shit" Are banging out Crack a bottle like its not 1. When Crack a Bottle's Lyrics are describing them in a club, with fucking cars, and money (50's verse mostly).

I'll bang out the West Coast artist better shit only. The times when they didn't sell out or give a fuck about the Censors. Some mother fuckers can't get passed the same shit. Look at Eminem (I know he isn;t west) but look at his album Relapse. Same shit: Homosexuals, So called "Shock" Lyrics, Slim Shady, Drug abuse and his Mom. Only thing he forgot was KIM and I bet her ass will be on Relapse 2 getting shot by him again.

I'm fucking sick and tired of fucking artist from any fucking coast, afraid to do anything fucking innovated anymore. They all go into the same area, with nothing new. Look at Jay Z: His bitch ass Is copying Movies, He's copied Artist, Barrow fucking rhymes. His bitch ass needs to pick up a pen and just fucking thing. Then you got all these fucking arrtards on Pac. Barrowing Pac verses, Throwing up Tupac. When he was alive he wasn't FUCKING WITH YOU.HE was Dissing your bitch ass, 4 good reason, and while you artist didn't have the balls to put a Pac diss on your record, You weren't afraid to do it on radio stations, and various other places, but I guess since their is no record. You can play people thinking pac was insane.

Now today Artist are starting to become hypocrites. Look at Cypress Hill. III Temples of Boom had them talking down to other rappers who have Pop songs as Singles. Now they doing it, going mainstream and have dropped their Sonic production style after IV.

Can I allow musical Growth??? Oh fucking A, I want Fucking Lyrical growth. I want all these artist to put something into their work. I'm talking Lyrical shit. Like Nas on Illmatic, or Eminem on TMMLP or fucking Rakim.

Everyone of these fucking artist are failing to grow lyrically. They either Sell out, Rehash, or just being hypocrites. Only asshole who's actually done it right is fucking Dr. Dre. He's Dropped 2 fucking albums. Both of which are still in heavy rotation among artist, fans, radio stations, TV stations. I mean their are other artist who did it right also, but that's like only about 10 tops.

Love this post, dead on. No homo lol. I guess for me at times it seems the fans are just as confused as the artists. There are definitely some blatant attempts at mainstream success from rappers but there is also alot of flip flopping from fans that really do not know what they want either. As long as the music has musical and lyrical progression and growth like you said, I am happy. Change mixed it there is cool sometimes too.
 

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Re: Why West Coast Fans Do Not Allow Musical Growth In Their Artists?
« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2009, 08:49:35 PM »
Chad's review of Ego Trippin has got alot of people talking so I decided to make this thread. And it is by no means a diss to anyone. I notice with west coast artists in particular, fans are most critical of when they try something new or go a new direction in their music they almost write them off. Snoop is a example. Snoop is at a catch 22 with most. When he does gangsta shit, it pleases some but others are like he is living in the past. When he does shit with Pharrell (and he does have some dope songs with him) people automatically write it off as pop shit. If it's with Dre it's not as good as the Chronic stuff they did.

So I guess my question is why can't people allow musical growth in wc artists? I know alot of the music in the 90's was incredible material but it ain't the 90's anymore. Why not have a open ear to what rappers are trying to do. Now by all means there is alot of wack shit out there and I am not talking about the weaker material. Drop ya 2 cents.

Snoop is a terrible example. His growth as an artist has been on a steady decline in terms of his quality to deliver and his rap/lyrical ability has just got worse and worse. He has to, or "wants" to rely heavily on current pop artists (like Madonna has to do now) to survive the mainstream. First Pharrell/N.E.R.D, then Justin Timberlake, then a downward spiral of a reality TV show into his family life  :-\ All the signs of someone who has to cling onto others, or to exploit his everyday life to get mainstream coverage... Back on Death Row he was hungry, he was younger, more fierce, and had ambitions - like most young artists. Very few actually carry the passion when they're successful. Some will be experimental in music and it'll pay off - depending on the work, effort, and passion they put into it. If they want a quick payday and try to create a sound for todays market, it'll more than likely pay with the right marketing team behind them, but the end result is a quick 5 minute empty hit, which sucks, and that is what we've seen from Snoop Dogg for the past 8 years or so

DJ Quik was expiremental in Trauma, and that was actually good - not a big fan of the album, and prefer - LOVE the signature Quik sound, but that album was fresh renewed etc. and paid off, because the quality was there. Some can deliver if they still have the fire, but if they're just in it for the quick pay day regardless of how it reflects their image, then what we'll recieve is b*llshyt year after year. That's why people like Snoop work with Justins, the P.Diddys, Pussycat Dolls, Lil Waynes etc. They don't care who or what they work with as long as they get another quick pay, whereas when they're younger they seem to have a back bone,, and are more selective
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