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Re: They Want To Get Rid Of US Public Schools
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2008, 04:44:43 PM »
What keeps the rich from getting the best education and poor from getting fucked over ?

Will someone please answer me.

where do u get that from?

Well I keep reading the govt wouldn't be involved with it.  It would be a private institution.  Which leads me to believe that since we wouldn't have to pay school tax anymore we would have to pay out of pocket for school?  If I am wrong and any choice of school is free to go to then let me know if I am wrong.
 

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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2008, 04:50:07 PM »
they teach you some of the most mundane shit in public schools. We are taught how Thanksgiving is a beautiful holiday even though we killed off the natives with small pox blankets and we to pledge allegiance to the flag.
 

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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2008, 04:54:46 PM »
they teach you some of the most mundane shit in public schools. We are taught how Thanksgiving is a beautiful holiday even though we killed off the natives with small pox blankets and we to pledge allegiance to the flag.

Maybe in Elementary school. But we've had real good in depth discussions about how America is fucked up in all of my Government and History classes. Maybe it's because I live in a very Liberal area. But still, around me you see Black and Latino students dropping out. They're just being lazy while trying to get cool points with the ladys (Bitches at a young age love bad boys). No excuse.
 

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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2008, 05:29:52 PM »
Honestly, is High School really that hard? It's a fucking piece of cake if you just respect your teachers (By respect I mean not get loud with them and disrupt what they're trying to teach you) and if you just do the easy ass work they assign. Blacks and Latinos struggle so much, at least here in Cali, because they always want to start shit with their teachers and act defiant when they don't need to. Sure there are some teachers that are just straight up dicks, but you can't deny you can still pass the class if you just mind your own business and do your work. And plus most teachers are teachers because they love to teach, remember they don't get paid that much. So obviously they are teaching for a reason..

Maybe in Elementary school. But we've had real good in depth discussions about how America is fucked up in all of my Government and History classes. Maybe it's because I live in a very Liberal area. But still, around me you see Black and Latino students dropping out. They're just being lazy while trying to get cool points with the ladys (Bitches at a young age love bad boys). No excuse.

Wow. You're speaking some real shit are there.
 

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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2008, 05:30:54 PM »
they teach you some of the most mundane shit in public schools. We are taught how Thanksgiving is a beautiful holiday even though we killed off the natives with small pox blankets and we to pledge allegiance to the flag.
Most people don't even know that Thanksgiving originally had NOTHING to do with pilgrims, Native Americans, or turkeys.
 

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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2008, 05:35:36 PM »
I think if we just get rid of the department of education, then US public schools would be better off.

Here's a question I pose to people who want to get rid of public schools: If private schools are so good and a free market would equal better education, why doesn't everyone enroll their kids in private over public schools? Too expensive? Doesn't the free market theory state that privatized companies would find a way to compete for everyone's business; therefore lowering prices?
 

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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2008, 11:40:24 AM »
I think if we just get rid of the department of education, then US public schools would be better off.

Here's a question I pose to people who want to get rid of public schools: If private schools are so good and a free market would equal better education, why doesn't everyone enroll their kids in private over public schools? Too expensive? Doesn't the free market theory state that privatized companies would find a way to compete for everyone's business; therefore lowering prices?

Can someone answer this for me ?  And a somewhat detailed answer.
 

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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2008, 11:55:08 AM »
I think if we just get rid of the department of education, then US public schools would be better off.

Here's a question I pose to people who want to get rid of public schools: If private schools are so good and a free market would equal better education, why doesn't everyone enroll their kids in private over public schools? Too expensive? Doesn't the free market theory state that privatized companies would find a way to compete for everyone's business; therefore lowering prices?

Can someone answer this for me ?  And a somewhat detailed answer.

I think he answered it already.
 

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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2008, 12:26:38 PM »
I think if we just get rid of the department of education, then US public schools would be better off.

Here's a question I pose to people who want to get rid of public schools: If private schools are so good and a free market would equal better education, why doesn't everyone enroll their kids in private over public schools? Too expensive? Doesn't the free market theory state that privatized companies would find a way to compete for everyone's business; therefore lowering prices?

Can someone answer this for me ?  And a somewhat detailed answer.

I think he answered it already.

I still dont get how that will keep the rich from getting the best education while the poor are stuck with whats left ?
 

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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2008, 12:35:34 PM »

I think the point being made is through competition, there will be an emphasis on the schools to provide the best possible education. I support this what I don't support is the unashamed facism of public private partnerships.
 

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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2008, 12:36:41 PM »
I think if we just get rid of the department of education, then US public schools would be better off.

Here's a question I pose to people who want to get rid of public schools: If private schools are so good and a free market would equal better education, why doesn't everyone enroll their kids in private over public schools? Too expensive? Doesn't the free market theory state that privatized companies would find a way to compete for everyone's business; therefore lowering prices?

Can someone answer this for me ?  And a somewhat detailed answer.

I think he answered it already.

I still dont get how that will keep the rich from getting the best education while the poor are stuck with whats left ?

Truthfully I don't think anything will. Gaps in class and quality of life are just an unfortunate part of any society. No real easy solution to it. The poor can have the best, it's just a lot harder for them.
 

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Re: They Want To Get Rid Of US Public Schools
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2008, 12:38:01 PM »
In theory, maybe the market will regulate things, but in actual practice, there is time after time where in a private education system where the rich get great education and the poor stays poor due to little or no education chances. So yeah, you libs may think you are on to something, but its been tried and like Communism, it fails.
 

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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2008, 12:46:48 PM »

I think the point being made is through competition, there will be an emphasis on the schools to provide the best possible education. I support this what I don't support is the unashamed facism of public private partnerships.

either way the poor are still fucked... hell the poor up untill the middle middle class are still fucked.  The current system and a free market system still leave those that need the help the most fucked over.  This is what I am gathering from what you pro free market school systems guys are telling me.  Don't get me wrong our current system is still fucked up.  But depending on where you live sometimes you do luck out.  Like in NYC if you have the grades you can get into good public schools.  THey have specialized public schools.  Now albeit they still teach you a lot of bull shit but at least they have specialized courses towards what you want.  But at the same time I know most of the country you aren't offered those types of options.
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2008, 12:49:27 PM »
I also just want to stress the fact that our current education system is completely fucked for the most part as well.
 

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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2008, 12:51:59 PM »
I also just want to stress the fact that our current education system is completely fucked for the most part as well.

so is every other facet of our countries infrastructure  :-\
 

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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2008, 12:52:06 PM »
Honestly, is High School really that hard? It's a fucking piece of cake if you just respect your teachers (By respect I mean not get loud with them and disrupt what they're trying to teach you) and if you just do the easy ass work they assign. Blacks and Latinos struggle so much, at least here in Cali, because they always want to start shit with their teachers and act defiant when they don't need to. Sure there are some teachers that are just straight up dicks, but you can't deny you can still pass the class if you just mind your own business and do your work. And plus most teachers are teachers because they love to teach, remember they don't get paid that much. So obviously they are teaching for a reason..

Thats not a education though.  I remember in high school the year book posted the top 25 GPA's in the graduating class.  Most of the kids on the top 25 were morons.  They were the ones that kissed ass and did there home work.  But they had no common sense.  No grasp on whats going on in the real world.  Yet they were the ones who will have 10X the options then I will ever have.  Thats why this country is falling behind in math and science.  Because of thinking like this.
 

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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2008, 12:54:44 PM »
I also just want to stress the fact that our current education system is completely fucked for the most part as well.

so is every other facet of our countries infrastructure  :-\

I know, thats why we need to unite and rise up.  Because we just sat there and let it happen.  Our arrogance got the best of us.  We refused to believe this country could have problems.  We refused to believe other countries could have better answers then this country.  We refused to believe that this country is robbing us of our freedoms, liberties, and our money.  Now we are paying the price and we're still not doing anything about it.  Thats why I really believe we need unite and rise up to get this country back..... VIVA LA REVOLUCIÓN
 

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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2008, 12:59:15 PM »

M Dogg do you realise your contradiction? you said communism doesn't work but you support socialism, socialism is interlinked with communism  ;D lol, sorry but jesus.
 

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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2008, 01:05:26 PM »

M Dogg do you realise your contradiction? you said communism doesn't work but you support socialism, socialism is interlinked with communism  ;D lol, sorry but jesus.

When did he say he supports socialism? I've never seen a post from him that says he does.
 

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« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2008, 01:07:38 PM »
What should happen is that Universities should just get rid of their GE classes. It's there for the undecided people, but it fucks everybody else up who knows what they want. 


Are the High Schools really in such a bad shape?  Pretty much the goal of every High School student is to either get accepted to a University or prefer a cheaper route and start off with a JC.  Sure, every school is different (quality wise) and each state has it's own "guidelines" on what to teach but in the end it's all general education.  Public or Private, it's going to be General Education.  And is that really such a bad idea?  It's important to have a balance of knowledge.  If you're a Jr in High School and you know you want to Major in Econimcs...enroll yourself in to a Junior College and start getting some Econ classes.  You can be in the most fucked up High School, with the worst teachers in the Country and still make it to a good school.  How?  Buy an SAT Book and study your ass off.  Universities know that Public Schools range from horrible to elite schools, that's why they consider everything when you apply.
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2008, 01:17:36 PM »

 You can be in the most fucked up High School, with the worst teachers in the Country and still make it to a good school.  How?  Buy an SAT Book and study your ass off.  Universities know that Public Schools range from horrible to elite schools, that's why they consider everything when you apply.

See I disagree with this though.  Because far too many kids don't realize this.  Far too many of these kids are told from the get go if you don't have money you are fucked.  I know because I was one of those kids.
 

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« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2008, 01:28:37 PM »

 You can be in the most fucked up High School, with the worst teachers in the Country and still make it to a good school.  How?  Buy an SAT Book and study your ass off.  Universities know that Public Schools range from horrible to elite schools, that's why they consider everything when you apply.

See I disagree with this though.  Because far too many kids don't realize this.  Far too many of these kids are told from the get go if you don't have money you are fucked.  I know because I was one of those kids.

That would help a lot, it will reach a good number of students. But you still got the knuckleheads that even if schools were to concentrate on Financial Aid and tips on applying to Universities a lot of kids would still not pay attention.  At this point, it's up to us really.  We can tell our younger cousins, brothers, sisters, etc what sort of tips, advantages etc.
 

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« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2008, 01:30:44 PM »
He must do since he seems to support so many of the Obama socialist policies and right now I don't even feel like highlighting what those policies are. Just read into what socialism is and why communism is so dangerous and then look at the proposed policies and then try convincing yourself that's not a socialist agenda.
 

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« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2008, 01:49:28 PM »

 You can be in the most fucked up High School, with the worst teachers in the Country and still make it to a good school.  How?  Buy an SAT Book and study your ass off.  Universities know that Public Schools range from horrible to elite schools, that's why they consider everything when you apply.

See I disagree with this though.  Because far too many kids don't realize this.  Far too many of these kids are told from the get go if you don't have money you are fucked.  I know because I was one of those kids.

That would help a lot, it will reach a good number of students. But you still got the knuckleheads that even if schools were to concentrate on Financial Aid and tips on applying to Universities a lot of kids would still not pay attention.  At this point, it's up to us really.  We can tell our younger cousins, brothers, sisters, etc what sort of tips, advantages etc.


I agree but someone like me for example.  I am a oldest child so I had no older bro to guide me.  I was the first person in my family to go to college in 70 some odd years.  On my dads side I was the first to actually graduate high school and not drop out and get a GED in 70 years.  I had no one to guide me.  Luckily I eventually found out what was out there for me.  But it two years.  That was two years of my life wasted.
 

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« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2008, 01:50:35 PM »
He must do since he seems to support so many of the Obama socialist policies and right now I don't even feel like highlighting what those policies are. Just read into what socialism is and why communism is so dangerous and then look at the proposed policies and then try convincing yourself that's not a socialist agenda.

Even though socialism ties into communism there are differences.  Some socialist believe that both socialism and capitalism can work together.  While communism doesn't believe in capitalism at all.