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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2008, 02:50:27 PM »
This election is proof the system is so fucking broken. This isn't a democracy. The Republicans have Winner Take All, which is why McCain won so early. He beat Romney by like 5% in Florida, and that was it, he was pretty much declared the winner.

 Obama and Hillary can't even reach the required amount of delegates to win, because every state is proportional. They need "Super Delegates". Sounds like something the Nazi party would have. It's pathetic people are laughing that McCain won so early. He won early because the way they give out delegates is completely fucked.

Both parties should elect their nominee the same way. The most logical way to do it would be state wide proportional 50%, with a 50% bonus for whoever wins a state. No winner take all, no 50-5- splits. It's fucking stupid!

The US is not a democracy. It gives you a bunch of mediocre candidates, chosen from within the party, pre-selected for the main stream. And when someone new like Ron Paul comes in, no one votes for him because the media gives him no chance.

What they should do is fix the voting systems, and NOT declare the results until after ALL the states have voted. This would be fair. The media fucking spins the results, and tells who what to do. Knowing who wins a state, should not influence your vote. Oh Obama won Iowa, so I'm going to vote Obama when we vote here in Florida. The results completely fuck with peoples minds. "America loves a winner."

Just imagine if the media and public didn't know the results to the primaries, people would vote with their MINDS, they would vote unbiased. Instead of the media telling you screwed up opinions from people who don't really know anything.

In a 3 month span, have all 50 states vote. 3 a week, or whatever. Don't release the results. And at the end of those 3 months, show the results, show who won which states. That is a fucking democracy. The system now fucks with peoples minds. The results consume them, making them completely useless.
 

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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2008, 08:25:09 PM »
that should be proportional. the more people vote for you, you win. That's the most democratic you can get
 

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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2008, 09:18:45 PM »
^ Even with the superdelegates? The reason the democratic race is so close, is because it's proportional. The system doesn't work. It's not proportional for the Repubs.

And in the general, its winner take all. They need to make it uniform, so all elections elect the same way.
 

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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2008, 09:40:05 PM »
fuck the super fuckers, lets say the country vote and you got 50% plus one you win, simple as dat
 

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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2008, 09:44:54 PM »
^ That's fair, and if that were true, Gore would've owned Bush. But for electing the candidates in the primaries, they can't really do that. They need consistency since all 50 states can't have a primary on one day.
 

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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2008, 05:54:00 AM »
The primaries are one thing, but this uniquely American way of having electoral votes that are all handed out to the winning candidate in each state is an anachronism and one big problem of American democracy, exemplified most clearly by Bush beating Gore with less votes than him. Primaries aside, I think it would be highly sensible if the US settled on electing their president like every other western democracy, but it seems an old tradition impossible to break with, although to think about it it's ridiculous.
 

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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2008, 06:34:42 AM »
The US is not a democracy.

this uniquely American way of having electoral votes that are all handed out to the winning candidate in each state is an anachronism and one big problem of American democracy, exemplified most clearly by Bush beating Gore with less votes than him.

Of course the U.S. is not a democracy.  The U.S. is a constitutional republic. You guys just figured that out now?
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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2008, 11:59:29 AM »
This election is proof the system is so fucking broken. This isn't a democracy. The Republicans have Winner Take All, which is why McCain won so early. He beat Romney by like 5% in Florida, and that was it, he was pretty much declared the winner.

 Obama and Hillary can't even reach the required amount of delegates to win, because every state is proportional. They need "Super Delegates". Sounds like something the Nazi party would have. It's pathetic people are laughing that McCain won so early. He won early because the way they give out delegates is completely fucked.

Both parties should elect their nominee the same way. The most logical way to do it would be state wide proportional 50%, with a 50% bonus for whoever wins a state. No winner take all, no 50-5- splits. It's fucking stupid!

The parties you're complaining about, are nothing more than political organizations. It's not like the state or its democracy that made things unfair; the state gives these people the right to organize themselves according to their own wishes and judgement, as long as they don't break the law. The law doesn't force political parties to mold their organization after set rules. That's exactly where freedom begins. If you were to start an official organization, you wouldn't want the state to force you to do it their way either, would you?

It's really simple: the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are two huge organizations, each rightfully managed in its own way. They happen to be the two organizations who have the American democracy in a stranglehold. If you disagree with them, yet take part in their system or even vote for them, that's your own fault for keeping their crooked systems operating while you so passionately denounce its ways. That doesn't make the American democracy a rotten system; it simply means there's a whole bunch of puppets refusing to cut their cords. If that bothers you, why wouldn't you do something about it?


The US is not a democracy. It gives you a bunch of mediocre candidates, chosen from within the party, pre-selected for the main stream. And when someone new like Ron Paul comes in, no one votes for him because the media gives him no chance.

Why, you could be the next president! Everyone has the right to vote for you - just make sure your name is on that voting ballot, and a lot of people put checks in front of your name. How much more democratic can you get?

So the US has a weak democracy, because the political parties put forward carefully selected candidates that fir their wishes, only you consider them mediocre for the job of being president? Remember that nobody is forcing you to vote for them. Nobody is forcing anyone to vote for anyone. How is that undemocratic?

Now, as for the media giving Ron Paul no chance... You mean he didn't have the party behind him? You mean the party didn't try its best to lobby for him and pave the way for him, for him to get his moment of shine and change the course of the party? Why would the Republican Party want to make him big, while all that Ron Paul stands for goes against the things the Republicans have stood for for years? And well, you can't say the media haven't paid any attention to Ron Paul, but he never did become a major option for the Republicans. The GOP simply didn't want that. Of course they didn't.


What they should do is fix the voting systems, and NOT declare the results until after ALL the states have voted. This would be fair. The media fucking spins the results, and tells who what to do. Knowing who wins a state, should not influence your vote. Oh Obama won Iowa, so I'm going to vote Obama when we vote here in Florida. The results completely fuck with peoples minds. "America loves a winner."

Just imagine if the media and public didn't know the results to the primaries, people would vote with their MINDS, they would vote unbiased. Instead of the media telling you screwed up opinions from people who don't really know anything.

In a 3 month span, have all 50 states vote. 3 a week, or whatever. Don't release the results. And at the end of those 3 months, show the results, show who won which states. That is a fucking democracy. The system now fucks with peoples minds. The results consume them, making them completely useless.

Give me even half a reason why 50 states should need 3 months to get their votes in. Wouldn't it be more fair to just do it all in one day?

Seriously though, the parties are not out to make the system as fair as possible; they just want to obtain power and maintain it. They need to please the voting audience to a certain degree to do so, but really, those 'unfair' primaries are nothing but cheap publicity.

So who are you voting for?
 

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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2008, 12:45:56 PM »
Well..Obama is the front runner in this rat race..he is loved by the youth from most demographics..white,black,latinos..rich,poor...etc...BUT our media has had a past of jumping the gun and predicting a winner wouthout suffecient evidence and the decision was made based upon the facts from the media verses whats actually happening.
SO..i really cant call it..i would love for obama to win because our government and economy isnt falling..it has fell...and our past history isnt giving Me a good sign of future properity..so why not give obama a chance and see what he can do..i know it really cant get much worst then the psuedo-dictatorship that we are stuck in right now
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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2008, 05:24:19 PM »
The US is not a democracy.

this uniquely American way of having electoral votes that are all handed out to the winning candidate in each state is an anachronism and one big problem of American democracy, exemplified most clearly by Bush beating Gore with less votes than him.

Of course the U.S. is not a democracy.  The U.S. is a constitutional republic. You guys just figured that out now?
lol. i knew that in 5th grade
 

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Re: Predictions for Hillary vs. Obama primary...
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2008, 03:57:51 PM »
this uniquely American way of having electoral votes that are all handed out to the winning candidate in each state is an anachronism and one big problem of American democracy, exemplified most clearly by Bush beating Gore with less votes than him.

Of course the U.S. is not a democracy.  The U.S. is a constitutional republic. You guys just figured that out now?
Thanks. By what definition of the word "democracy" is a republic (res publica, i.e. "public thing") per se not a democracy?