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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2002, 03:34:09 PM »
^^ See, part of the reason I've been intrigued by the muslim conversations on this board is due to the similarities between my views, and some of you cats. It is interesting. Glad that even though we worship differently, we can see important things eye to eye. Peace.
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2002, 03:39:28 PM »
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You know what Infinite, I had a huge paragraph written out trying to explain my views on why things happen, and whether or not god was wrong in being a vengeful god before Jesus, but I know our (you and I) type. No amount of typing will convince the other what is what. I'll say this. The God that I know, and have prayed to since I was 3 years old, is a kind, and loving god. I don't fear him like Baptists, or other denominations preach, but I respect his power, and know that if he wanted me off this earth this second, it would happen... so in that sense, I do fear him, however, I don't view god that way. I veiw him as my friend, father, leader, and ticket into heaven. God is my best friend. I know that no matter when or where I end up, he is with me the whole time. No one can shake that, and it takes a load off my shoulders everytime I get down on something to think that he is there with me. I know that when I pray for forgiveness EVERY night, he does just that. Out of respect for him, I pray constantly, tell him the things he has done that helped me, thank him for those things, and even question why things happen. Although he has never verbally spoken to me, I see his answers every day. If I look, I can see god in everything.

Now, does that mean that I'm right about everything I just wrote?? Who knows. Maybe god does send natural disasters to wipe out villages, or bombs WTC's to prove a point to capitalistic societys... I won't know till I'm in heaven. I will just say that the god that I know, and pray to does not want to see men die. He wants them to follow in his path, and have good lives. Once again, I'm not saying that this is exactly how god is, or feels, I have nothing to go on besides my own walk.. so take that for what it is worth. I respect your faith, and your knowledge on several issues, and this is not meant to be a bring down for you Infinite. I just feel that maybe you are too quick to blame mans', and natures' violence on God.

As to Sikotic, I wasn't saying that people who do wrong don't go punished, eventually, we all get judged on our own faults/sins, whatever, just saying that God does not mass punish anymore since the Old Testiment (floods, firestorms, ect..)

Peace everyone. Sorry if I pissed anyone off.


First off, I have nothing but respect for you, your thoughts, and opinions.  But let me explain to you the other side of what you just said.

Alot of folks today, are living with a God complex.  Whether, that be parents, your boss, governments, kings, or just your next door nieghbor.  They are giulty of self-love, and they think that man is all-powerful, and that man dominates the world, and nature, they are arrogant, bourgeiouse, and conceded.  They need to be humbled, so they can learn appreciation and respect for ones self and one's nature.  And it is only when they reach the understanding that generations of people have been wiped out before us.  And once again, we too, will be wiped out.  Man has no real power.  All the power, and all the glory, is with God.  And man should never fear man, man should only fear God.  If a cop pulls you over, if you lie to him, you fear him more than you fear God.  And I am often giulty of that as well.  But a prophet, or spiritually excellent man, would never lie, for he believes strongly that God is the hearer and knower of all of our actions, and we shall fear him, and not the cop.  If you fear man, then you are more likely to lie and be decietful.  So to fear God, is to be humble and righteous, and fair in your dealings.  This is the straight path.
 

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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2002, 03:48:20 PM »
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Right there homie, ^^ You questioned Islamic theology, and gave me the impression, that you have the misconception, that God was never vengeful, and never violent... but apparently, you don't have that mindset.  So are we on the same page?


I was questioning Techniec when he said Palestinians killing Jewish soldiers is a form of legitimite resistance. I wasn't talking about God.

It was just a misunderstanding so it's cool.
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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2002, 03:49:08 PM »
So if what you are saying is the true path in the islamic faith, then there is the biggest difference between Christians, and Muslims.

Jesus taught us to Love god. He also taugh god to love us, no matter what. We should always be mindful of what god could do if he wanted, but it isn't like that anymore, and won't be until satan (antichrist) walks amoung us again.

I hope you didn't twist me saying God is my friend as me saying I didn't fear. I meant what I said by knowing that only God can control my eternity, not a cop, not nature, not any human act of violence ect..

Once again, I'm not trying to turn you to christianity, just giving you my personal observations.

And you are right. Too many christians have a god complex. I wish everyone would worry about their own path, and not concern theirselves with telling others how to live their life, and focusing on the examples that you yourself stated with the police officer, neighbor, parents, ect..  It makes me sad. And christians that stray too far away from the true meaning, give the religion a bad name.
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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2002, 03:49:44 PM »
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As to Sikotic, I wasn't saying that people who do wrong don't go punished, eventually, we all get judged on our own faults/sins, whatever, just saying that God does not mass punish anymore since the Old Testiment (floods, firestorms, ect..)

Peace everyone. Sorry if I pissed anyone off.


You didn't piss me off because I was agreeing with pretty much everything you were speaking on.
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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2002, 03:52:27 PM »
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You didn't piss me off because I was agreeing with pretty much everything you were speaking on.





Okay man, just makin sure.
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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2002, 06:20:05 PM »
yes killing is a form of resistance!! no my bad, handing our roses is ........ ???



fuck, those soldiers serving in the Palestinian terrorities
should be as brave and valiant as those 300 Refuse-niks, who see through the blood and smoke and refuse to serve in the occupied terrorities

and i to da geezy, the military censores its actions in the occupied terrorities, so are u sure u know whats REALLY happening in there,just wondering.......
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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2002, 06:24:08 PM »
and basically infini put it down beautifully

we should fear God, yet love him as well, we are all servants of Him, so we should never lose our fear of him lest we reduce His prominence
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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2002, 06:38:46 PM »
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So if what you are saying is the true path in the islamic faith, then there is the biggest difference between Christians, and Muslims.

Jesus taught us to Love god. He also taugh god to love us, no matter what. We should always be mindful of what god could do if he wanted, but it isn't like that anymore, and won't be until satan (antichrist) walks amoung us again.

I hope you didn't twist me saying God is my friend as me saying I didn't fear. I meant what I said by knowing that only God can control my eternity, not a cop, not nature, not any human act of violence ect..

Once again, I'm not trying to turn you to christianity, just giving you my personal observations.

And you are right. Too many christians have a god complex. I wish everyone would worry about their own path, and not concern theirselves with telling others how to live their life, and focusing on the examples that you yourself stated with the police officer, neighbor, parents, ect..  It makes me sad. And christians that stray too far away from the true meaning, give the religion a bad name.


Jesus (peace be unto him) taught Muslims those same things, he is an exalted prophet in Islam just like Muhammad, (peace be unto him).
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2002, 08:40:22 PM »
i jus wanted to add something to this conversation....i dunno if anyone already mentioned this becuz i havent had time to read all the posts.....its a long thread.......but.....

muslims view the Bible and Torah as holy books , we believe in what is written in they say and we do not claim your holy books as false.....but we do believe they are incomplete because they were written before the life of Muhammed (peace be upon him)....which we believe is the last of the messengers

i'm glad christians as well as mulims post their opinions and views.....it helps us to understand each other, learn more about each other's religion, and we can see all the similarities that these two religions share....because we r not all that different.....we believe in the same SINGLE ALMIGHTY GOD.....except we refer to GOD as ALLAH
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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2002, 09:11:18 PM »
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i jus wanted to add something to this conversation....i dunno if anyone already mentioned this becuz i havent had time to read all the posts.....its a long thread.......but.....

muslims view the Bible and Torah as holy books , we believe in what is written in they say and we do not claim your holy books as false.....but we do believe they are incomplete because they were written before the life of Muhammed (peace be upon him)....which we believe is the last of the messengers

i'm glad christians as well as mulims post their opinions and views.....it helps us to understand each other, learn more about each other's religion, and we can see all the similarities that these two religions share....because we r not all that different.....we believe in the same SINGLE ALMIGHTY GOD.....except we refer to GOD as ALLAH


WORD.  Al-Hamdu-Illah.
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Re: Weekly WCC Muslim Brotherhood Newsletter
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2002, 04:01:44 AM »
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yes killing is a form of resistance!! no my bad, handing our roses is ........ ???



fuck, those soldiers serving in the Palestinian terrorities
should be as brave and valiant as those 300 Refuse-niks, who see through the blood and smoke and refuse to serve in the occupied terrorities

and i to da geezy, the military censores its actions in the occupied terrorities, so are u sure u know whats REALLY happening in there,just wondering.......



ok...i dont" mean to diss you or anythang but saying "fuck those soldiers" iz a very ignorent statement....by sayin it you also diss me and my friendz who go there and get killed...
do you think that it"z their choice to go wherever they"re sent? those r decisionz coming from tha government.
second of all....as you know we have every teen at 18 yearz old going to tha army...and even peepz who already served still r considered spare soljhaz on whatever duty they were...so even if there iz a normal secret keepin" (after all it"z da millitarry...) peepz iz aware of whaz going on.....now...do you think we should leave GAZA and tha west bank and let terroristz come in as if it waz their back yard?....FUCK THAT...FUCK THAt shit....NO FUCKIN way we gonna alow them come in and kill us and our familyz....
i repeat tha soljhaz ain"t sent to kill palestinianz they r sent there to prevent terroristz from gettin in...and yea...also kill terorristz they know fa sho" iz gonna make moves...
of course as in every war there iz inocent peepz dieing"...but they r dieing on both sidez.
now as for those refuse-nikz .....tha harm that they cauzed Israel wit their sudden" change of mind or whatever waz going through their head when they did that....iz visable...yea of course there iz alwayz place for moralz...but this iz a war...and thingz happen...we"re fightin for our place under tha sun....what they did waz very iresponsable...i can understand tha stress they were under since tha beginin of tha Intifaada...but this waz straight up fallin under presure...


p.s you seem to be mo critical of Israel that tryies to protect itself from terroristz than of tha terorrism supportin"-inconect people killing-unwillin to leave in peace-leadership of tha authority(notice:not tha palestinianz....tha headz of tha authority...most notably Y. Arafat)
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2002, 04:15:39 AM »
first of all homie, u off line...


i didnt say "fuck those soldiers"

i just said "fuck" at the beginning of the sentence

"fuck, those soldiers..."

youre right it would be incorrect of me to address those soldiers by that regard because your govt fucks up not the people

ok so next time look out for the commas homeboy


as for leaving the gaza to the terrorists...

the second you leave gaza and west bank, terrorism will be finished,
Hamas and Islamic Jihad dont recognize Israels right to exist, yeah thats true, but Al Aqsa Bridgades and PFLP, as well as Fatah would all accept peace and Hamas and Islamic Jihad would lose all the support they have


Hamas and Islamic Jihad only have support rite now cuz there are no options left

as for criticizing Israelis more than Palestinians....


I condemn suicide attacks in civilian areas
I condemn intentionally targeting of civilians
I denounce the PLO, i think they became an inefficiant corrupt body a long time ago
but you cant denounce the victims more than the oppressors....
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2002, 04:34:55 AM »
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first of all homie, u off line...


i didnt say "fuck those soldiers"

i just said "fuck" at the beginning of the sentence

"fuck, those soldiers..."

youre right it would be incorrect of me to address those soldiers by that regard because your govt fucks up not the people

ok so next time look out for the commas homeboy


as for leaving the gaza to the terrorists...

the second you leave gaza and west bank, terrorism will be finished,
Hamas and Islamic Jihad dont recognize Israels right to exist, yeah thats true, but Al Aqsa Bridgades and PFLP, as well as Fatah would all accept peace and Hamas and Islamic Jihad would lose all the support they have


Hamas and Islamic Jihad only have support rite now cuz there are no options left

as for criticizing Israelis more than Palestinians....


I condemn suicide attacks in civilian areas
I condemn intentionally targeting of civilians
I denounce the PLO, i think they became an inefficiant corrupt body a long time ago
but you cant denounce the victims more than the oppressors....


:)...i"m glad we cleared that missunderstandin about "fuck, those soljhaz"...ok now to tha arguement...
go figga who iz tha victim...and why do you use tha word opressor....you should use tha word agressor...if tha palestinianz have their own authority...what opresion r you talkin about ....if they have their place...how can we possibly opress them....if you mean tha soljhaz...i told you what they r doing in GAZA and tha WEST bank...
now as for what you said about tha terroristic actz stopin if tha soljhaz would get out of GAZA and tha west bank...
why do you think they came in , in tha first place....cauze they planned an army trip to da occupied territoryz?...think about it ...they came in cauze there waz no other choice...i promiss you no Israeli enjoyz serving there...now as for our government being fucked up....you see...WE r democratical...and alow me to remind you that tha mess started when Barak waz da prime (he iz a left wing guy)...and he gave arfat 97%of tha demand. on camp david......if you recall....arfat din"t take prolly tha most generous offer any Israeli government would ever agree to give.... Yaser declined it....
so really iz OUR gov tha one datz fucked up?
than tha Intifaada kicked in...which waz a matter of time we all knew were arfatz decline leadz...and than SHaron tha right wing guy gettz ellected...createz a national support government and startz workin on what waz left to him by the previous prime....still sharon iz very very compromizing for a right wing guy.....you should know it...so i don"t think our governement iz in anyway responsable for whatz going on....it"z all Arafatz and hiz suroundinz folt.
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2002, 04:39:12 AM »
regardless of whether it was Israels best offer or not
it wasnt a right offer


israel needs to withdraw from 100% of the West Bank and Gaza, and Golah Heights

dismantle all settlements cuz those are fuckin illegal
right of return...that can be negotiated

in return, PLO recognizes Israel and clamps down on terrorists but Arafat is a proxie
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2002, 04:55:27 AM »
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regardless of whether it was Israels best offer or not
it wasnt a right offer


israel needs to withdraw from 100% of the West Bank and Gaza, and Golah Heights

dismantle all settlements cuz those are fuckin illegal
right of return...that can be negotiated

in return, PLO recognizes Israel and clamps down on terrorists but Arafat is a proxie


this waz all mo less possible when  Barak waz here...now after all ths fuckin Intifaada....i doubt they will get anythang....
second....Israel must not negotiate under fire.
and.... oh JOY tha PLO will recognize Israel...whoohoo oh happy day...really?....this iz what we have existed for...come on man...who cares about those fuckin terorristz...
look what happent after we gave LEBANON that security zone....now tha hizballa just haz better positionz to bomb us.


p.s as for tha setellmentz...did ya know they weren"t even in tha palestinian originall demand?...it"z just one of tha shitz they use to show they have reasonz for tha terorristic actz....
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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2002, 08:05:38 AM »
^ what gave Israel a right to set up a country on Palestinian land in the first place?.....u know Israel only been around for like 60 years........
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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2002, 08:13:00 AM »
dont take me the wrong way I am glad that Jews got to establish a country of their own that they can call home.....but the point of my previous post was to tell u to take things from the perspective of the Palestinians......they had been living there for centuries and all of a sudden a whole new government comes into being and takes away half the land......how would u feel in their position?.....so i hope u can see why these people are filled wit this kind of anger.....

personally I hope this conflict ends as soon as possible because all the lives being lost on both sides are not worth this battle.....I dont take sides....I think both sides are wrong
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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2002, 08:15:07 AM »
infinite59 i'm sorry if i have messed up ur muslim newsletter post.....we should have started a new thread for the previous discussion
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« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2002, 08:48:39 AM »
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^ what gave Israel a right to set up a country on Palestinian land in the first place?.....u know Israel only been around for like 60 years........



hmmm.....letz think...you"ve read tha bible?...na seriouslly man aside of this land being hystoryclly jewish land...tha palestinianz themselves exist basiclly on paper just like Israel if we look at this practiclly...tha so called palestinian declaration said "every one who lived in palestine since year so and so iz considered palestinian"....this iz basiclly what waz uniting these people in tha beginin"...

p.s this declaration waz formed yearz after the Yeshuv started.
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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2002, 09:09:23 AM »
I agree with Igeezy...Whats up with all these palastiniens killing all these little jewish children nowadays? I mean I cant wake up without hearing about another bombing in Israel etc...
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« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2002, 09:24:28 AM »
i know that Jews lived there before the Palestinians a long time ago, and then the Palestinians controlled the area for the last couple centuries before the Holocaust and Jews needing a state of their own (which I think was a good thing because the Jewish people of the world needed and should have a place to call home).......but if that is the case......then the Native Americans should be allowed to take as much land in the United States as they want and call it their own......because they were here first and americans have only been here for the last couple centuries......

and what sccit said.....I agree....I never said Palestinians were doing any good by killing Israelis......the terrorists are just as fuckin retarded as the Israeli army

too many people die in that region everyday.....thas why i said earlier that i hope peace will come about them soon
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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2002, 09:35:44 AM »
could everyone please read my post on PAGE 2 of the thread thats named BOARD DISCUSSION: IS U.S. JUSTIFIED IN ATTACKING......

if u read that you'll see how fucced up the Israeli army is along with its government......i know the Palestinian suicide bombers are even more retarded......but we know that because we always get to see that on TV.....every time Israelis get killed its on TV right away......but as you can tell from reading the article there are many things going the other way that we DONT GET TO SEE

i'm not making this a jewish vs. muslim thing....at least i'm not trying to.....i got nothing against jews....as a matter of fact i have more jewish friends than i do muslim ones......it is something between the Israeli government which can be wrong at times and the retarded suicide bombers whohave been brainwashed by that muthaphucca arafat

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« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2002, 09:42:29 AM »
those settlements are so fuckin illegal man!

think about it

the israeli govt has been sending in thousands of jews in to arab east jerusalem, so that slowly palestinians lose control of their land


thats in essence ethnic relocation which is one of the characteristics of ethnic cleansing
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« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2002, 09:44:42 AM »
the corrupt ass media pisses me off
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