lets no mince words,Takeover was better than Ether

[Jome]

Then we all agree that Takeover served Nas.

And Hellrazor: Jigga didn't try to stop Nas, DAME DASH did.
and that "Lil bitch" remark shows off your hate for Jigga, as compared to Nas, you taking sides even before the diss-war.
I got the a couple of Nas-albums, so I ain't judging before I hear the tracks.

[Smooth]

"Ether" was the better diss.

"Takeover" was the better song.

[Zero4eva]

jay's a nice lyricist, but he can't fuck with nas.

[=[Euthanasia]=]

"Ether" has and will always be considered the better diss song to me, it was more of a complete diss, Nas took very witty shots at Jay and they were also truthful. When Jay came back with "Super Ugly" it made him look like a fool, "Takeover" couldn't compare to "Ether", what the hell made him think "Super Ugly" would?? And with "Super Ugly" it also proved that Jay couldn't really make a proper diss song aimed only at Nas, "Takeover" didn't say all that much about Nas imo, and since SU was aimed specifically at Nas it really showed that as an MC Jay doesn't hold anything on Nas.

Also, I think the "Stillmatic" freestyle was a better and harder diss to Jay than "Takeover" was to Nas.

[Trauma-san]

they were both weak.

I kinda agree, they both had good parts, but dissapointed me.  That line from Nas where he says the Roccafella stuff is unbelievable though, man, he clowned him.

[Sikotic™]

Ether had the better disses therefore it's the better diss song IMO

[Cliche]

nah Nas served him up... lol at Jay being all vague and then catching feelings when he gets dished... i dont see how "Ether" is nonsense compared to "Takeover"... there's a lot more known factual base to what Nas was saying than what Jigga was saying... Nas served him colder, Takeover was saved by its hot beat.

[Black_Smoke]

Ether is way better imo

[I TO DA GEEZY]

On point TECH. and I hope some day these other cats will finally open their eyes, u see, Jay din't even need "super ugly" he knew that, so I think he simply put it out just to keep the battle going or something cause he obviouslly din't put much effort into it, since "takeoever" was so much superior to ether...while NAS was simply Playing with simplistic and almost childish remarks (lol, I thought he was gonna start talking about his momma at some point ) Jay was actually battling wit some heavy artillery punches filled with humour and wit.

[Cliche]

On point TECH. and I hope some day these other cats will finally open their eyes, u see, Jay din't even need "super ugly" he knew that, so I think he simply put it out just to keep the battle going or something cause he obviouslly din't put much effort into it, since "takeoever" was so much superior to ether...while NAS was simply Playing with simplistic and almost childish remarks (lol, I thought he was gonna start talking about his momma at some point ) Jay was actually battling wit some heavy artillery punches filled with humour and wit.

what exactly did Jay-Z hit him with that was heavy?  drop some of these impressive lines because i certainly missed them...

Jay-Z was the one who showed up crying like a little girl on the radio... so i guess he doesn't feel that "Ether" was as uneffective as some of y'all do.


"i embrace y'all with napalm,
blowed up, no guts, left chest face gone,
how can nas be garbage?
semi-auto's at your cottage
burner at the side of your dome
come out of my throne
i got this locked since 91, i am the truest
name a rapper that i aint influenced
gave y'all chapters but now i keep my eyes on the Judas
with Hawaiian Sophie fame kept my name in  his music"

"heard it in my sleep
that this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef
started cockin' up this weapon slowly loadin up this ammo
to unload it on this camel
and his soldiers i can handle
diss for dolo
and your manuscript just sound stupid
when KRS already made an album called Blueprint
first you say that Biggie's your man
then you got the nerve to say that you're better than Big
won't you let the late great veteran live?"

"y'all niggas deal with emotions like bitches
whats sad is i love you cause you're my brother you traded your soul for riches
my child i've watched you grow up to be famous
now i smile like a proud dad watchin his only son that made it"
you seem to be only concerned with dissin women
were you abused as a child? scared to smile they called you ugly
while life is harsh, hug me, don't reject me
or make records to disrespect me
blatant or indirectly
in 88 you was gettin chased to your building
callin my crib when i aint even give you my number
all i did was give you a style for you to run with
smilin in my face glad to break bread with the god
wearin Jaz chains, no cash, no techs, no cars
no jailbars jigga, no pies no case
just hawaiian shirts, hangin with lil chase
you a fan, a phoney a fake a pussy a stan
i'll still whip your ass
you 36 in a karate class
you tae-bo hoe
tryin to work it out
you tryin to get brolic
ask me if im tryin to kick knowledge
naw, im tryin to kick this shit you need to learn though
that ether, that shit that make your soul burn slow
is he dame diddy, dame daddy or dame dummy
oh i get it, you biggie and he's puffy
rocafella died of aids that was the end of his chapter
and thats the dude y'all chose to name your company after?
put it together, i rock hoes y'all rock fellas
and now you're tryin to take my spot fellas?
phillys hot rock fellas
put you in a dry spot fellas
in a pine box with 9 shots from my glock fellas
foxy kept you hot cause you kept your face in her puss
what you think you gettin girls now cause of your looks?
negro please
you no mustache havin
with whiskers like a rat
compared to beans you wack
an your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
your ass went from Jaz to hangin with Kane
to Irv to Big and Eminem murdered you on your own shit
yous a dick riding faggot, you love the attention
Queens niggas run you niggas ask russell simmons"

"how much of Biggies rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?"

now to me, that's all dope shit... what exactly did Jigga say that was so ill? if Takeover didn't have the dope beat, it would get much less attention.

[Banjo]

everyone always forgets but TAKEOVER only had 1 verse dissin nas, the whole song ether was about jigga,,,,and jayz destroyed nas wit one verse!
also takeover is a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy better beat

Word...

[I TO DA GEEZY]

man, Im real sorry you need me to point that out for you, just look for yourself: Jay had this FAN point of view consept on "takeover", that logiclly hurts the most for an artist, He wasn't just spraying venom with no bite like NAS did on "ether" at times...He had structure. "fell from top10 to not mentioned at all", "1 hot album every 10 years averrage", "one was EHHH the other was Illmatic"....These are all lethal, Plus Shit had alot of humour in it showing Jay's cool and not-dependent atidute towards the isue shining with confidence without taking chip-childish-simplistic shots.

[=[Euthanasia]=]

man, Im real sorry you need me to point that out for you, just look for yourself: Jay had this FAN point of view consept on "takeover", that logiclly hurts the most for an artist, He wasn't just spraying venom with no bite like NAS did on "ether" at times...He had structure. "fell from top10 to not mentioned at all", "1 hot album every 10 years averrage", "one was EHHH the other was Illmatic"....These are all lethal, Plus Shit had alot of humour in it showing Jay's cool and not-dependent atidute towards the isue shining with confidence without taking chip-childish-simplistic shots.

Honestly, I don't understand where Jay got that 'hot album every 10 years average' nonsense from. Nas dropped an amazing, flawless classic (something Jay has never dropped may I add), an almost classic (hotter than hot), a solid album, ONE wack album and then another classic. And as for 'fell from top 10 to not mentioned at all', Jay's never been in my top 10, and probably never will be, he's good, but not that good. Plus, Nas has and probably always will have a spot in the top 10 due to "Illmatic", and now "Stillmatic", plus numerous spotless guest appearences that account to his gifted lyricism. Nas is done with this beef anyways, it seems to me like Jigga is the one holding onto this. Just watch, he'll probably have another diss song aimed at Nas on his next effort.

Oh and Jay was coming from a fan's perspective because that's all he is compared to Nas, a fan that can't touch Nas, which Nas pointed out in "Ether".

[Cliche]

the difference being that Jay's talking shit "one hot album every ten year average".. Jay's been around since before Nas dropped, and he's got 3 utterly wack joints, one dope album, and one good album...

"you made it a hot line, i made it a hot song" ... too bad Jigga never has and never will make anything on the level of "The World Is Yours"...

when exactly did Nas stop getting mentioned as a top MC? i must have missed that...


yeah you can tell Jigga didn't care about the beef... cat had a breakdown on the damn radio for christs sake.  

but hey i guess if you're a jigga fan you're gonna feel a certain way...

[I TO DA GEEZY]

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Honestly, I don't understand where Jay got that 'hot album every 10 years average' nonsense from. Nas dropped an amazing, flawless classic (something Jay has never dropped may I add), an almost classic (hotter than hot), a solid album, ONE wack album and then another classic. And as for 'fell from top 10 to not mentioned at all', Jay's never been in my top 10, and probably never will be, he's good, but not that good. Plus, Nas has and probably always will have a spot in the top 10 due to "Illmatic", and now "Stillmatic", plus numerous spotless guest appearences that account to his gifted lyricism. Nas is done with this beef anyways, it seems to me like Jigga is the one holding onto this. Just watch, he'll probably have another diss song aimed at Nas on his next effort.

Oh and Jay was coming from a fan's perspective because that's all he is compared to Nas, a fan that can't touch Nas, which Nas pointed out in "Ether".

Lets see, RD classic, VOL1 near classic, VOL2 -downside wack, VOL3-near classic, Familia-SOLID, Blueprint- Classic...

Nas-Illmatic-classic, IWW- garbage, I am- Garbage(an improvement from the previous one tho), Nastradamus- garbage , Stillmatic-solid and may be even near classic.

Facts in Disses always hit harder of course, But it's not crusial if u know how to speculate right(if some Nas fans don't agree with it, it doesn't mean it wasn't true as well but hell with it), When Jay said what he said on takeover it did feel, smell and sounded like the truth even to the most denieing NAS fan, Because that's what he was trying to do- SHOW NAS how his averrage fan thought of him.
what you're sayin as for jigga only being A FAN compared to NAS is simply reciting ETHER'z atempt to trash takeover's consept without having one itself.