NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA... I changed my mind

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

I was thinking of ways to make money and nearly every way I could think of involved selling my soul and working for some government program, government project, government funded employer...   I even considered the fucking military which is just raping Iraq and Afganistan and many other countries... 

If we don't do something about this, pretty soon every job, major corporation, and business available to work for will be attatched to the government and subsidized and overseen by the government.  My job now for example, I work in health care, and it's so screwed up because it's not even about providing proper care to the sick... but rather it's about covering you own ass and following government laws, guidelines, mandates, that hospitals have to follow to keep recieving money from the government. 

...so then I look to work somewhere else, and everything I can think of is just more of the same, more government employment, more boondoggles, and so on...

Not to mention I was recently catching up with some old friends from high school and they are all working in education (government education) or for insurance companies, drug companies, and complaining about all the bureaucracy and such that government brings.


I don't care who's name is beside the ticket...  MY VOTE WILL BE FOR THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE OR CONSTITUTION PARTY CANDIDATE WHOEVER IT IS AND I DON'T CARE WHO WINS OR LOSES!

...I don't know that my vote is worth that much but at least my support is one drop in the bucket.  Peace.

[Javier]

lol drug companies and insurance health care companies are complaining about the government limiting their ability to fuck more people. 

[virtuoso]

The pharma giants are more than happy with the government beaurocracy's, with the drive of big pharma, governments are being lobbied to ban hundreds and hundreds of vitamins because ooh those evil vitamins. Meanwhile of course the FDA rubber stamped Vioxx to come out in the market despite the studies which both it carried out and the tests undertaken by the manufacturer which had concluded the drug was deadly. The end result was over a hundred thousand people dead, slight side effects including hearts exploding. Even if big government is well intentioned, in the end it becomes the enemy of a free market and the darling of the established monopoly or oligopoly.

[Primo]

write in ron paul.

[The King]

It's admirable that you've decided to not vote for the Democratic or Republican nominee. But the fact remains, it's a two party system, and one of those parties will win. Voting for any other party is essentially throwing away your vote.

Look what happened in 2000, people voted for Nader, and some would argue, he stole votes from Gore. Even though Gore technically won anyways. The point is, Obama isn't that great, but McCain is worse. It's Obama or McCain. If you don't vote Obama, you automatically prefer McCain. And vis versa. Vote for the lesser of two evils. Voting for a 3rd party may make you feel like you did the right thing, but if the right person (Obama) doesn't win, you'll regret your vote for the rest of your life. McCain is a joke, and if he wins, America is screwed.

People do this all the time in Canada. BC has the Marijuana party, which only issue is to legalize marijuana. And every election it gets a noticeable chunk of the vote, which may or may not affect who actually wins. We basically have a 5 party system, one party usually gets around 40%, and the rest usually split around 15% each. We have too many parties, and it often gets confusing who to vote for. Especially if your voting against something, rather then for something.

It's McCain vs Obama. Voting for anyone else wouldn't be productive, because no matter what happens, a 3rd party will never win, nor will the system ever allow a 3 or more part system. Vote for the better man, for the sake of your country. Obama may not be what everyone thinks he will be, but it's far better then letting McCain steal the election.

[Machiavelli]

McCain and Obama are both shit but i dont know which one would be worse...we have a liberal congress and with a liberal president(obama) bigger government could happen in terms of domestic spending which with McCain, he wants bigger government in terms of war and nation building. But with a democratic congressive and republican president nothing will get done and more of the same shit...so maybe McCain is better

either way im writting in Ron Paul

[Elevz]

It's admirable that you've decided to not vote for the Democratic or Republican nominee. But the fact remains, it's a two party system, and one of those parties will win. Voting for any other party is essentially throwing away your vote.

Look what happened in 2000, people voted for Nader, and some would argue, he stole votes from Gore. Even though Gore technically won anyways. The point is, Obama isn't that great, but McCain is worse. It's Obama or McCain. If you don't vote Obama, you automatically prefer McCain. And vis versa. Vote for the lesser of two evils. Voting for a 3rd party may make you feel like you did the right thing, but if the right person (Obama) doesn't win, you'll regret your vote for the rest of your life. McCain is a joke, and if he wins, America is screwed.

People do this all the time in Canada. BC has the Marijuana party, which only issue is to legalize marijuana. And every election it gets a noticeable chunk of the vote, which may or may not affect who actually wins. We basically have a 5 party system, one party usually gets around 40%, and the rest usually split around 15% each. We have too many parties, and it often gets confusing who to vote for. Especially if your voting against something, rather then for something.

It's McCain vs Obama. Voting for anyone else wouldn't be productive, because no matter what happens, a 3rd party will never win, nor will the system ever allow a 3 or more part system. Vote for the better man, for the sake of your country. Obama may not be what everyone thinks he will be, but it's far better then letting McCain steal the election.

The reason why you're calling it a two-party political system, which it really isn't, is precisely because everyone is sticking to the same old mentality of having to place their drips in the bucket of a possible winner. But truthfully, with the amount of votes that's being cast, do you really think your vote is lost when you don't vote for a possible winner, as opposed to going with the majority? I just don't see the logic behind the assumption that another vote for someone with a shit load of votes already would make a big difference, whereas voting for an underdog with fewer votes could make them get noticed once and for all. It's only considered a two-party system because there's plenty of idiots who refuse to vote for who they really think should be president. By voting for Republicans and Democrats over and over again, it's those people who are giving them the power to do just what they like, without having to face the threat of the santion of the electorate. People with that two-option mindstate are exactly the reason why you feel now as if you can only pick the lesser of the two evils. They're still evil.

[The King]

^ It's a two part system because one of those two parties always wins, every time, every election in the last 100 or so years. I don't like the system, but I'm speaking to the situation.

The system is really only designed to give two options. It's not really the peoples fault. It's the system. How much has Obama spent? Over a 100 million? That's an insane amount of money. The system is built so only the two major parties can even raise enough money to compete. In Canada (for example) theirs a party spending cap. Each party in a federal electron can only spend around 2 million dollars. So we can have many parties, and many people who can raise and spend to that cap. A more then two party system needs a spending cap. The dems spend hundreds millions, the repubs spend hundreds millions. What chance does a 3rd party have which can raise only a few million? It's all about money. Give me 10 million, give you 100,000$, I don't care who you are, I'll get more votes. Money buys elections, and the 3rd parties can't compete.

I just don't see the logic behind the assumption that another vote for someone with a shit load of votes already would make a big difference

The logic is dependent on where you live. If you live in Hawaii, who you vote for doesn't matter, either way. If you live in Texas and you vote Dem, it doesn't matter because it's a "red" state, and probably will always will. But if you live in Ohio, or Florida, you're vote matters. Look at 2000, Nader rolled in the votes in Florida, and lost Gore the election. One state cost them the election. If enough people vote for the 3rd party, in a close state, it's all over. One person's vote isn't important. But  if a lot of people feel that same way, the wrong person will win. The point I'm making is, Obama or McCain will win. Make your vote count. Voting for a 3rd party won't solve anything, and won't fix the system. Their will never be a three part system in our life times. You need to bit your tongue, and vote for one of the front runners.

And I wouldn't say Obama is evil, he's part of the system. The system is evil, not Obama. McCain on the other hand, I would say is an evil person. Or Bush. Their war mongers, and have a very ignorant view of society outside of America. The country would be a lot better of with Obama, and millions of people voting for a 3rd party is just going to cost him the election.

I completely agree with your post, but the fact is, it's Obama or McCain, Repubs v Dems, and it always will be, no matter what we do. So pick the person you think is best qualified.

[Floydness]

How about... not voting at all! Honestly people, do you really think it matters? I think that this is one giant lie to make the people in America believe that they have some sort of voice. The truth of the matter is, we really dont know whats going on... (I mean come on, who voted for Bush in the 2nd term???) Im not passing what im saying as a fact, ITS JUST MY OPINION. I think the that the government can do whatever the hell they want without anyone finding out the real truth (unless you're a spy, or you somehow have strong connections). Everybody just has blind faith.. I saw this show about computer hacking and it showed how someone can mess around with the total votes (in a more complex way than I am explaining it of course).. I duno, I just think its a big scam and the person with the most money and power crosses the finish line first.. but who knows? I could be wrong 

[smegma]

I was thinking of ways to make money and nearly every way I could think of involved selling my soul and working for some government program, government project, government funded employer...   I even considered the fucking military which is just raping Iraq and Afganistan and many other countries... 

If we don't do something about this, pretty soon every job, major corporation, and business available to work for will be attatched to the government and subsidized and overseen by the government.  My job now for example, I work in health care, and it's so screwed up because it's not even about providing proper care to the sick... but rather it's about covering you own ass and following government laws, guidelines, mandates, that hospitals have to follow to keep recieving money from the government. 

...so then I look to work somewhere else, and everything I can think of is just more of the same, more government employment, more boondoggles, and so on...

Not to mention I was recently catching up with some old friends from high school and they are all working in education (government education) or for insurance companies, drug companies, and complaining about all the bureaucracy and such that government brings.


I don't care who's name is beside the ticket...  MY VOTE WILL BE FOR THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE OR CONSTITUTION PARTY CANDIDATE WHOEVER IT IS AND I DON'T CARE WHO WINS OR LOSES!

...I don't know that my vote is worth that much but at least my support is one drop in the bucket.  Peace.

you're such an intellectual

and so smart

[Elevz]

^ It's a two part system because one of those two parties always wins, every time, every election in the last 100 or so years. I don't like the system, but I'm speaking to the situation.

The system is really only designed to give two options. It's not really the peoples fault. It's the system.

So how did they design the system, to make it that way? There could be three major parties, there could be five, there could be just one. The system does not determine any of that. Now, it is true that the US political system is rather ridiculous when you look at the way votes are counted and the differences between states, but the fact that the US is reigned by two big political parties, is merely to be blamed on the voters. They could decide to vote differently. As long as they don't, there surely won't be a change in the political landscape.

How much has Obama spent? Over a 100 million? That's an insane amount of money. The system is built so only the two major parties can even raise enough money to compete.

Utterly wrong. Bill Gates could decide to start supporting a libertarian, and with a good program, they could deliver the next president. The fact is, that a lot of people are being too ignorant to look further into politics than that which FoX shows them. That's the reason why they need such large chunks of money, to be able to afford a proper campaign. You can blame that on the system all you want, but it's simply the workings of your every day capitalistic world. Politicians have to buy air time and spend money on a lot of things for promotion. Such things are expensive, for a good reason. There's no reason why the next president would have to be a Democrat or a Republican - the system has jack shit to do with this. The fact is that Democrats and Republicans up until now have been better than any other political party at the game of getting the media, and thus the people, behind them.

In Canada (for example) theirs a party spending cap. Each party in a federal electron can only spend around 2 million dollars. So we can have many parties, and many people who can raise and spend to that cap. A more then two party system needs a spending cap. The dems spend hundreds millions, the repubs spend hundreds millions. What chance does a 3rd party have which can raise only a few million? It's all about money. Give me 10 million, give you 100,000$, I don't care who you are, I'll get more votes. Money buys elections, and the 3rd parties can't compete.

A spending cap? As in, you're not allowed to spend your money on that which you deem right? As in, we're forcing you to cut down, to let the meek have a chance? A spending cap, as the ultimate socialist tool to burn down every seed that finds fertile soil? Don't be a winner, because that would be too hard on the losers? A spending cap, to let the bureaucracy take over control of what should be allowed and what not?

You wonder what chance a third party has, when it can only raise a fraction of the amount of money the two big parties can spend. Has it ever occurred to you that there might be a reason why these third parties aren't getting major funds? That they're systematically lagging behind, aiming for small target groups, thus making it impossible for themselves to get the entire nation, or even half of it, behind them? They're uninteresting for investors, because the money goes to a lost cause anyway. The day when third parties are ready for political power, there will be people to support them. Until then, it's a ridiculous notion to blame the two major parties for spending more money than the smaller parties. They have the right to do so. Now that's what a free democracy works like.

I just don't see the logic behind the assumption that another vote for someone with a shit load of votes already would make a big difference

The logic is dependent on where you live. If you live in Hawaii, who you vote for doesn't matter, either way. If you live in Texas and you vote Dem, it doesn't matter because it's a "red" state, and probably will always will. But if you live in Ohio, or Florida, you're vote matters. Look at 2000, Nader rolled in the votes in Florida, and lost Gore the election. One state cost them the election. If enough people vote for the 3rd party, in a close state, it's all over. One person's vote isn't important. But  if a lot of people feel that same way, the wrong person will win. The point I'm making is, Obama or McCain will win. Make your vote count. Voting for a 3rd party won't solve anything, and won't fix the system. Their will never be a three part system in our life times. You need to bit your tongue, and vote for one of the front runners.

The ridiculousness of the voting system in the US needs no further explanation, yet precisely through keeping these two major parties big, you're helping them prevent a change from ever occuring. As long as they don't have to consider any other political opposition, they're perfectly safe keeping things as they are.
Ask yourself, what difference does it make whether Obama or McCain enters the white house. While McCain might cause more damage overall, I don't expect Obama to be a lot better. So the choice is between a marginal difference (Obama vs McCain) and an attempt to overthrow the two-party rule. The latter won't happen straight away, and Obama or McCain will still become president, but the simple fact is that more people need the awareness that there's more options beside the basic two. Anyone's voting for a third party will help achieve just that. In other words... Don't vote for a winner - instead, vote for who you actually support. That's the only way to support them.

And I wouldn't say Obama is evil, he's part of the system. The system is evil, not Obama.

If the system is evil, and Obama readily and willingly submits to that system, what does that make him? And what does that make you, for neglecting such facts?

McCain on the other hand, I would say is an evil person. Or Bush. Their war mongers, and have a very ignorant view of society outside of America. The country would be a lot better of with Obama, and millions of people voting for a 3rd party is just going to cost him the election.

Yes! It might cost him the election! But millions of people will have put a third party on the map. Imagine for the elections, a third party finally stepping up with big plans, ready to make a real change... That's what sacrificing Obama's presidency might just achieve. IF the third parties are ready, that is...

I completely agree with your post, but the fact is, it's Obama or McCain, Repubs v Dems, and it always will be, no matter what we do. So pick the person you think is best qualified.

Pessimist.

[Turf Hitta]

GOBAMA!