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« on: June 12, 2008, 01:48:55 AM »
its inevitable, what do you atheist think about it, except that you juz die.
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Re: Death
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2008, 06:51:44 AM »
i believe in life after death.thats real.
 

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Re: Death
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2008, 01:22:57 AM »
I believe in afterlife but I don't believe in God if that makes any sense.


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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2008, 01:24:55 AM »
every1 has their own opinion and thier belief, but what do you think aftlife is like spice? if you dont believe in god, because im a protestant christian so i believe in heaven and i assume the first person that reply to this thread does also.

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2008, 01:26:04 PM »
I have no clue.. but I hope the good people in life will experience good things and the bad people in life will go through evil and horrific things..
 

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2008, 02:04:01 PM »
Yes, you just die. You only believe in the afterlife because it's difficult for you to face the truth, but deep down inside, you know that us atheists are right. I realize it sucks that you won't have an afterlife where you'll have a big dick (or at least one bigger than a Tootsie Roll), but that's just what you're gonna have to accept, chink.
 

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2008, 03:58:54 PM »
You are ridiculously insignificant if you see the big picture with the earth just being a small ass planet and the sun being just one of uncountable stars in the universe... and you just die and cease to exist. No magic.
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Re: Death
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2008, 05:19:11 PM »
well somebody made us, u guys didnt hear about the microorganism that has a built in motor inside it? it wasnt man made and it couldnt of been made by nature.
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Re: Death
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2008, 05:33:12 PM »
See, yes, good question.

Atheism just doesn't make no sense to me. Not to be disrespectful at all, but, I mean it doesn't..
 

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2008, 05:51:17 PM »
See, yes, good question.

Atheism just doesn't make no sense to me. Not to be disrespectful at all, but, I mean it doesn't..


yea because whats the purpose of life than?
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2008, 07:35:12 PM »
^ Exactly. Bash religion or what not, but what is you really thinkin' right now? Like..

It makes no sense.

You die, than what? See black the rest your life? It's like they confused. Becuz they can't exaplin themselves. And I'm not tryin' to bash people. I respect niggas and they beliefs, but wit religion (of all types) you can come to terms and be like, 'yo that makes sense, I can see how that works'. Atheist's just can't. There's just no God to them. That's all I get out it. Shit is odd.

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Re: Death
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2008, 01:55:21 AM »
Atheism makes no sense LOL.  That is absolutely amazing.  Believing in invisible men in the sky and fairy tales like the bible is what makes no sense.  This is coming from a guy who is surrounded by religious family members w/ the exception of my Sister,  I gave up on religion a couple years ago as soon as I became more mature mentally and actually read some of the bible and thought about stuff like this,  I simply don't believe and I doubt I ever will.


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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2008, 02:41:37 AM »
^ Exactly. Bash religion or what not, but what is you really thinkin' right now? Like..

It makes no sense.

You die, than what? See black the rest your life? It's like they confused. Becuz they can't exaplin themselves. And I'm not tryin' to bash people. I respect niggas and they beliefs, but wit religion (of all types) you can come to terms and be like, 'yo that makes sense, I can see how that works'. Atheist's just can't. There's just no God to them. That's all I get out it. Shit is odd.

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11 is the nigga but 7even thinks hes just right that makes him ignorant just like all the religous people that he  disses on. what makes 7even so nright he cant prove that god isnt real, just like we cant prove god is real. its all about faith. even though it isnt logical, but if logic doesnt prove the purpose of human life, than what is logical istself? there is no logic, there is no purpose of human life in an athiest point of view.
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2008, 08:00:47 AM »
I don't know any atheists who say "there is no purpose to life". There is a purpose, but it is a purpose that will be explained by science in the future, as opposed to the Bible or some other superstitious nonsense. Atheism does not claim to have all the answers to all of the universe's mysteries and such (which, I should point out, is the OPPOSITE of what religion, as well as Marxism and fascism, claim to offer). The only thing we believe is that there is simply not enough proof that God exists to say that "He" actually does exist.

Aside from that, we also have a list of grievances with religious doctrine. Please keep in mind that (as someone whose parents are Pentecostals and whose paternal grandparents are Catholics) I was raised to respect the Bible. I flirted with Islam at one point, but never converted because I ceased to believe around the time I was in my late teens that any God or Gods exist. It was only about five or six years ago that I actually went back to the Bible and was astonished at all the bullshit, and (more specifically) how utterly evil it is, that I became an explicit as opposed to implicit atheist. I recommend this site for those of you new to atheism:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

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Re: Death
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2008, 08:23:21 AM »
..the Bible and was astonished at all the bullshit...

Yet it's one of the most influential books that built this f'in world. From words, from sayings everyday people USE, to fuckin' scientific theories.

'Yeah, we came from living organisms out the ground'

Yeah? Yeahhh? No shit sherlock, we was made from the dust of the ground. If you don't want to believe the Bible, don't be so close.

And don't come back wit it being how 'logic' it is, how we formed into humans from organisms, becuz it looks like God was a little logical too.
 

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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2008, 09:04:10 AM »
..the Bible and was astonished at all the bullshit...

Yet it's one of the most influential books that built this f'in world. From words, from sayings everyday people USE, to fuckin' scientific theories.

'Yeah, we came from living organisms out the ground'

Yeah? Yeahhh? No shit sherlock, we was made from the dust of the ground. If you don't want to believe the Bible, don't be so close.

And don't come back wit it being how 'logic' it is, how we formed into humans from organisms, becuz it looks like God was a little logical too.

LOL, you're a barely-literate wigger with almost no future prospects in life, and yet you have the nerve to question science? Boy, you got no idea what you're up against right now...
 

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2008, 10:11:32 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2008, 12:37:59 PM »
The Bible was written by humans. So even if what they are talking about happened, it is all but into the perspective and bias of the people who wrote it. People sat down and decided what should be put into the book. What is so sacred about that? Same with any religious book. But you can't necessarily write it off completely, because it is still a historical document. All that stuff Eihtball was talking about regarding homosexuals, Sabbath breakers, etc. was written by people who at the time agreed with that message and put it in the Bible. It serves as no meaning as to the nature of God or whether he exists.
As far as life after death. I think all the evidence I need to believe it is from life itself. We couldn't have just got here without someone or something putting us here. The universe was never just "there". It had to be created and shaped by some force.
 

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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2008, 01:46:19 PM »
The Bible was written by humans. So even if what they are talking about happened, it is all but into the perspective and bias of the people who wrote it. People sat down and decided what should be put into the book. What is so sacred about that? Same with any religious book. But you can't necessarily write it off completely, because it is still a historical document. All that stuff Eihtball was talking about regarding homosexuals, Sabbath breakers, etc. was written by people who at the time agreed with that message and put it in the Bible. It serves as no meaning as to the nature of God or whether he exists.
As far as life after death. I think all the evidence I need to believe it is from life itself. We couldn't have just got here without someone or something putting us here. The universe was never just "there". It had to be created and shaped by some force.

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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2008, 02:30:58 PM »
..the Bible and was astonished at all the bullshit...

Yet it's one of the most influential books that built this f'in world. From words, from sayings everyday people USE, to fuckin' scientific theories.

'Yeah, we came from living organisms out the ground'

Yeah? Yeahhh? No shit sherlock, we was made from the dust of the ground. If you don't want to believe the Bible, don't be so close.

And don't come back wit it being how 'logic' it is, how we formed into humans from organisms, becuz it looks like God was a little logical too.

LOL, you're a barely-literate wigger with almost no future prospects in life, and yet you have the nerve to question science? Boy, you got no idea what you're up against right now...

Says an athiest who pretends to be Islamic, to have fun, as a game, who's supposed to be a grown ass man? Nigga grow up..
 

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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2008, 05:57:58 PM »
Religion is a crutch. Simple as that. People can't accept the fact we are just another species, which will one day die out. People need to feel like their's a purpose to their lives, they need to know when they die, thei'rs something after. Well, we'll never know, because when you're dead, you're dead. Back when the Bible was written, it explained the unknown. Now, scieince and physical observation have answered some of our questions, like Cosmology, Evolution, etc.

I tend to believe that as a species, we have a purpose. That purpose is the progression of science and knowledge. If everyone person has a purpose, then why do some go out and murder random individuals? What purpose is that? Oh.. It's god's will. No. Free will exists. Right this second, I could sit here and continue writing, or I could go outside and murder someone. We all have choices, and destiny as they call it, doesn't really exist. 

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Atheism just doesn't make no sense to me. Not to be disrespectful at all, but, I mean it doesn't..

Many people often confuse Atheists with Agnostics. If believing in god gets you through you're day, then that's fine. But a persons faith should be private, and their actions affecting other people should be independent of that faith. Too many times does religion interfere with science and  politics. Bush says he looks to God for guidance. Really.. did God tell him going into Iraq was a good idea? Organized religion, and the actions of some individuals really bothers me. A man who murders his wife can call himself a Christian, and a soldier of God. Same as a housewife making an apple pie.

Many people follow the Bible without question. It's the Bible, it's true, end of story. Like Evolution, for example. Evolution never happened because God says so. Or the earth was created 3000 years ago. Well, I'll show you a 3 billion year old fossil, where the fuck did that come from? Where did all the oil come from? God? It's about common sense versus religious beliefs. Common sense says one thing. The Bible says the opposite. Why do people believe in something they can't even see? Because their not smart enough, or open minded enough, to educate themselves on the truth. It's pretty easy to say, God did it, compared to getting a degree in Evolutionary Biology. But that's how many people think these days.

Open a Science text book, you can read something, then go out somewhere, and reproduce the observation, or result. Open the Bible, read it, and try to find any sort of proof. You won't find it.

People can believe in a higher power, but why does that higher power need to be God. Can't a higher power simply be striving to be a good person? The Bible, the Koran, whatever, it gives people false hope. It gives people something they can believe in, whether it's real or not. I would like to believe "24" is a real life ride along with a anti-terrorist agent. But my brain says, "No... it's just a story." And that's what the Bible is, a story.

Faith can be a great thing, which strives people to do good things. But more often then not, you're average Christian is beating his wife, or sleeping with his secretary, or lying to his children. Organized religion doesn't make sense. How is Bush a Christian, if he lied to the world about invading Iraq. It doesn't make sense. How can you just ignore the Bible when it's inconvenient, then just repent you're sins later. Which is why I prefer Islam, because as many agree, if you don't follow the Koran every second of you're life, you're not a Muslim. Most Muslims tend to not sin, rather then sin, and feeling bad about it later. The Koran is your life, it tells you how to live a good life. The Bible doesn't, it tells you, you can live a horrible evil life, as long as you feel bad about it.

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You die, than what?

The world continues on without you. We're just big bags of atoms bumping around. What could possibly happen. You're brain shuts off, and you're dead. Our thoughts and our subconscious end when our cells die. Simple as that. You're just gone. It's hard to fathom, but it's simply true. When a plant dies, does it go to plant heaven? No. It's the whole idea that humans are special. We can't just die.. no no, but everything else around us can.
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2008, 07:09:29 PM »
Religion is a crutch. Simple as that. People can't accept the fact we are just another species, which will one day die out.

Personally, I think there is very likely a scientific reason that intelligent life came into existence (as opposed to a "creator"), but that our current knowledge simply isn't enough to explain it. I don't think human beings are "just another species"; I think we're the most advanced development in biological evolution. Whether something better replaces us, I can't say, but I do think it's likely to be humans who eventually conquer just about all of the mysteries of the universe.

Free will exists. Right this second, I could sit here and continue writing, or I could go outside and murder someone. We all have choices, and destiny as they call it, doesn't really exist.

Careful with those terms. As an atheist, I don't believe in "free will" because our personality IS a product of many things which aren't completely under our control - like the genes we're born with. On the other hand, I would argue that this is indistinguishable from "free will" in practice because it still feels like you have free will, so you think nothing of it. That's one of the cases where perception makes the reality (which is completely the opposite of what religion expects).

Which is why I prefer Islam, because as many agree, if you don't follow the Koran every second of you're life, you're not a Muslim. Most Muslims tend to not sin, rather then sin, and feeling bad about it later. The Koran is your life, it tells you how to live a good life. The Bible doesn't, it tells you, you can live a horrible evil life, as long as you feel bad about it.

Although I agree with what you say about Christianity and the Bible, I don't think you can say Islam is better. Islam's history is far more bloody than that of Christianity and Judaism (which are both extremely bloody to begin with), and I don't think Islam is at all morally superior to either of them. Like I said, I almost became a Muslim before I started to realize just how messed up so many Islamic converts in this country really are.
 

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2008, 07:23:26 PM »
Religion is a crutch. Simple as that. People can't accept the fact we are just another species, which will one day die out. People need to feel like their's a purpose to their lives, they need to know when they die, thei'rs something after. Well, we'll never know, because when you're dead, you're dead. Back when the Bible was written, it explained the unknown. Now, scieince and physical observation have answered some of our questions, like Cosmology, Evolution, etc.

I tend to believe that as a species, we have a purpose. That purpose is the progression of science and knowledge. If everyone person has a purpose, then why do some go out and murder random individuals? What purpose is that? Oh.. It's god's will. No. Free will exists. Right this second, I could sit here and continue writing, or I could go outside and murder someone. We all have choices, and destiny as they call it, doesn't really exist. 

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Atheism just doesn't make no sense to me. Not to be disrespectful at all, but, I mean it doesn't..

Many people often confuse Atheists with Agnostics. If believing in god gets you through you're day, then that's fine. But a persons faith should be private, and their actions affecting other people should be independent of that faith. Too many times does religion interfere with science and  politics. Bush says he looks to God for guidance. Really.. did God tell him going into Iraq was a good idea? Organized religion, and the actions of some individuals really bothers me. A man who murders his wife can call himself a Christian, and a soldier of God. Same as a housewife making an apple pie.

Many people follow the Bible without question. It's the Bible, it's true, end of story. Like Evolution, for example. Evolution never happened because God says so. Or the earth was created 3000 years ago. Well, I'll show you a 3 billion year old fossil, where the fuck did that come from? Where did all the oil come from? God? It's about common sense versus religious beliefs. Common sense says one thing. The Bible says the opposite. Why do people believe in something they can't even see? Because their not smart enough, or open minded enough, to educate themselves on the truth. It's pretty easy to say, God did it, compared to getting a degree in Evolutionary Biology. But that's how many people think these days.

Open a Science text book, you can read something, then go out somewhere, and reproduce the observation, or result. Open the Bible, read it, and try to find any sort of proof. You won't find it.

People can believe in a higher power, but why does that higher power need to be God. Can't a higher power simply be striving to be a good person? The Bible, the Koran, whatever, it gives people false hope. It gives people something they can believe in, whether it's real or not. I would like to believe "24" is a real life ride along with a anti-terrorist agent. But my brain says, "No... it's just a story." And that's what the Bible is, a story.

Faith can be a great thing, which strives people to do good things. But more often then not, you're average Christian is beating his wife, or sleeping with his secretary, or lying to his children. Organized religion doesn't make sense. How is Bush a Christian, if he lied to the world about invading Iraq. It doesn't make sense. How can you just ignore the Bible when it's inconvenient, then just repent you're sins later. Which is why I prefer Islam, because as many agree, if you don't follow the Koran every second of you're life, you're not a Muslim. Most Muslims tend to not sin, rather then sin, and feeling bad about it later. The Koran is your life, it tells you how to live a good life. The Bible doesn't, it tells you, you can live a horrible evil life, as long as you feel bad about it.

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You die, than what?

The world continues on without you. We're just big bags of atoms bumping around. What could possibly happen. You're brain shuts off, and you're dead. Our thoughts and our subconscious end when our cells die. Simple as that. You're just gone. It's hard to fathom, but it's simply true. When a plant dies, does it go to plant heaven? No. It's the whole idea that humans are special. We can't just die.. no no, but everything else around us can.





but there is a creator. life and universe was created just like everything in this world was created, like the planet was created.



i dont remember seeing the bible that the eart was 3000 years old.


http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2008, 07:34:57 PM »
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but there is a creator. life and universe was created just like everything in this world was created, like the planet was created.



i dont remember seeing the bible that the eart was 3000 years old.


http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html

There is a creator? Just because something was created, doesn't mean their was a creator. We don't know how life formed, or really how the universe formed, but how and when our planet formed is more or less scientific knowledge.

That site you posted is complete bullshit, and is exaggerated propaganda. Kind of like Nostradamus.
 

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2008, 07:37:53 PM »
well somebody made us, u guys didnt hear about the microorganism that has a built in motor inside it? it wasnt man made and it couldnt of been made by nature.


what about that ^, if not god thatn that must prove existence of aliens.
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