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« on: March 24, 2002, 03:57:37 PM »
Okay, now there have been alot of religious discussions lately on the board. Alot of Muslim treads, and me, as well as a few others have been offering christian outlooks as well. My question is to any Jew, Muslim, Chistian, Hindu, or any other faith that refers to the creator as God. Do you think we all worship the same being?? Or are we talking about 4 different creators? Jewish, and Christianity both believe in the old testiment, but I don't know where the islamic faith stands on the bible. Plus, I don't know Jack about the hindu faith. So I'm just curious as to what you all think.

My personal feeling is that at least Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same god.
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2002, 04:00:42 PM »
And, if you all just want me to shut up about religion, I can do that too. If I were you guys, I'd be getting sick of seeing me stick my nose into threads where it didn't belong (sorry brotherhood for cluttering your threads).
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Re: GOD
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2002, 04:02:33 PM »
Well the Hindu and Buddhist belief worship many different gods, if I'm not mistaken so I'm pretty sure they don't worship the same god as Christians and Muslims. I'm not sure if Muslims and Christians worship the same god tho.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2002, 04:06:32 PM »
well i know muslims christians and jews all belive in the same god, dont know about the rest
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Re: GOD
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2002, 04:13:17 PM »
But in Christianity, Jesus is part of the trinity, which makes him God. Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet, not God.

That's why I question if Muslims and Christians believe in the same God.
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2002, 04:18:10 PM »
^^ See that is the problem also with the Jewish faith, they don't believe that jesus was the son of god.
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Re: GOD
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2002, 04:24:55 PM »
But they believe in the God of the Old Testament. Christians do too.

Oh man this is even more confusing lol
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2002, 04:35:51 PM »
well, since ima jew........


i believe we all belive in the same god (muslims, jews, christians, NO-buddhists, hindus, etc) but we all view the god differently......

so in essence, its the same god, but he "does different things" depending on the religion

*my belief*   yall understand?
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2002, 04:35:59 PM »
Well im a Sikh and we have Gurus/prophets which were sent by God and possesed Divine powers, they preached about ONE GOD....and they wrote poetry and stuff about GOD, which was then collected and made into the holy book which contains prayers etc....so basicly we worship one God....

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2002, 04:37:45 PM »
man religion can get soooooooo confusing
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2002, 04:39:59 PM »
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But they believe in the God of the Old Testament. Christians do too.

Oh man this is even more confusing lol


yeah so do muslims andif jews and christians do too then thats one god that we believe in and what i dont understand is, how can jesus be god if hes the son of god?
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2002, 04:41:10 PM »
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man religion can get soooooooo confusing

LOL, AMEN!
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2002, 04:44:36 PM »
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yeah so do muslims andif jews and christians do too then thats one god that we believe in and what i dont understand is, how can jesus be god if hes the son of god?


people arent sure of that....they say that cuz mary was jesus' mom, but how could of she if she was a virgin

but i believe that
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2002, 04:49:32 PM »
LOL i bet mah man trauma can answer sum of the christinaty questions

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Re: GOD
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2002, 05:11:10 PM »
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yeah so do muslims andif jews and christians do too then thats one god that we believe in and what i dont understand is, how can jesus be god if hes the son of god?


Jesus is part of the trinity, which consists of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are 3 in 1.

I guess that makes the situation even more confusing for some people lol
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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2002, 05:13:30 PM »
And I guess Muslims, Jews and Christians in a way believe in the same god, the God of the Old Testament.

Still doesn't make sense since there was the Son og God even before the New Testament, just that he never came down from Heaven yet.
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2002, 05:19:14 PM »
Dude, by definition there is 1 god.  Muslims pray to the same god I do, as a christian (lds).  God would never desert someone just because they're of a different faith, even though I believe my faith is the 'true' faith or whatever (or I wouldn't be a member, right?) I still know (and my church teaches) that god is with everyone, even if they are evil.  Jesus Christ came to earth for EVERYONE , every single person.  If Hitler himself was the only person that ever lived, Jesus would have came to earth to let hitler kill him for his sins, or whatever.  God loves everyone equally, even those who don't know him, deny him, and even hate him.  

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2002, 05:29:00 PM »
Trauma, was that answer directed towards my original question, or towards someone else's, cause if it was towards mine, I think you missed my point. Also, do you by chance post in LOP's forum under Trauma?
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2002, 05:30:35 PM »
I can answer the god/jesus question, definately.  

This is a Latter Day Saint view, though... so it doesn't reflect your 'average' christian belief.

The average christian belief is that god/jesus/the holy ghost are all the same person.  However, that can't be true, because Jesus prayed to his father in heaven while on earth.  How can they be 1, then?

The latter day saint view is this: The reason we are on earth is to grow as a family.  We are children of God, and as such, God wants us to grow up to be like him (like all dads do).  God has a wife, and God has a son.  Just as Jesus has a dad, Jesus's dad has a dad, and it is an infinite regression; the only people we know about are Jesus Christ, and his father, however.  Just like Jesus, we can have a family, and eventually, in heaven, will grow (like our father) to be able to create our own worlds, etc.  

Earth is Jesus's world.  It was all created by him (save mankind) as he matured and became a god as his father had.  He is our brother, and our shining example of how to become a god.

And that's the real~ !WHOOOO@!

So, you could say there's more than 1 god, but we only pray to 1, because he is our father and that's all we know.  We don't know where he came from, or who his father is, but the key here is families, God also has a family.  Can you imagine him alone, with no wife? He has a wife, and he has at least Jesus as a son.   We are all his children, men and women, given a chance to come to earth, so we can grow here, and obtain a body like his.  (God has a body, because we were created in his image).  Jesus also came to earth so he could obtain a body.  Basically, Jesus is our bigger brother that we should strive to be like.  God gave us, as a sign of love, eternal life.  If you do good by him, you'll return to live with him eternally.  If you do bad, you will be cast out from him, eternally.  Earth is the test.  Earth is also where you should get married for eternity, so you can use the other gift god gave us: The gift of creation.  We can't grow plants, make things float, or anyting like that, but yet, we can create life! Think about that.  God intends for all of us to choose a wife/husband, and raise a family like he did, and teach our children, and help them be like us when they grow up.

It's sooooooo deep, I could talk to you about each part of the plan for weeks on end.  If you have any questions, shoot.
 

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2002, 05:34:44 PM »
Yeah, I was talking about your o.g. question.  What I meant is, there is only 1 god, nomatter how you look at it.  So, if you're praying to god, you're praying to the same god, because there's nobody else there to hear you.  I think people have very different ideas about who that god is, though.

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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2002, 05:38:20 PM »
Okay, yeah, I totally agree, imo, there is only one god to hear the prayers, it was basically my way of trying to hear other faiths (I'm christian) view of "the creator", and see how it fits into what I already have learned, and have read in the bible.

And yeah, I saw the name Trauma postin at the forum, and I was thinkin, there is nooo way someone else is gonna use that handle in a Hulk Hogan thread.
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2002, 05:47:31 PM »
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I can answer the god/jesus question, definately.  

This is a Latter Day Saint view, though... so it doesn't reflect your 'average' christian belief.

The average christian belief is that god/jesus/the holy ghost are all the same person.  However, that can't be true, because Jesus prayed to his father in heaven while on earth.  How can they be 1, then?

The latter day saint view is this: The reason we are on earth is to grow as a family.  We are children of God, and as such, God wants us to grow up to be like him (like all dads do).  God has a wife, and God has a son.  Just as Jesus has a dad, Jesus's dad has a dad, and it is an infinite regression; the only people we know about are Jesus Christ, and his father, however.  Just like Jesus, we can have a family, and eventually, in heaven, will grow (like our father) to be able to create our own worlds, etc.  

Earth is Jesus's world.  It was all created by him (save mankind) as he matured and became a god as his father had.  He is our brother, and our shining example of how to become a god.

And that's the real~ !WHOOOO@!

So, you could say there's more than 1 god, but we only pray to 1, because he is our father and that's all we know.  We don't know where he came from, or who his father is, but the key here is families, God also has a family.  Can you imagine him alone, with no wife? He has a wife, and he has at least Jesus as a son.   We are all his children, men and women, given a chance to come to earth, so we can grow here, and obtain a body like his.  (God has a body, because we were created in his image).  Jesus also came to earth so he could obtain a body.  Basically, Jesus is our bigger brother that we should strive to be like.  God gave us, as a sign of love, eternal life.  If you do good by him, you'll return to live with him eternally.  If you do bad, you will be cast out from him, eternally.  Earth is the test.  Earth is also where you should get married for eternity, so you can use the other gift god gave us: The gift of creation.  We can't grow plants, make things float, or anyting like that, but yet, we can create life! Think about that.  God intends for all of us to choose a wife/husband, and raise a family like he did, and teach our children, and help them be like us when they grow up.

It's sooooooo deep, I could talk to you about each part of the plan for weeks on end.  If you have any questions, shoot.


Jesus prayed as an example of what we should do. When Jesus came to earth, he not only came to die for our sins, but he set a perfect example of how we should live, which is a sinless life. So it is possible for God and Jesus to be one.

I'm not trying to bash the Latter Day Saint's view of Christianity because I respect all views of religion, even if I disagree with them. But I think the Latter Day Saint's take the whole Father, Son, Holy Spirit concept out of context. I believe it is a metaphor for us humans, who have not been completely open to the spiritual realm, to under stand. So in a way it is just an example.

Also, I never read where the Bible said God had a wife. Once again I think the whole Father/Son concept has been taken out of context. I don't believe Jesus was the actual offspring of God the Father, but that it was a metaphor so us humans can understand.

And when the Bible speaks of God making us "in His image" it means not that we are made to look exactly like him in our human form, but that we are like him spiritually (ex. we have spirits, live for eternity, etc). That is still arguable because I have not experienced God visually, but only spiritually.

I just thought I'd share those views and see what you think about them.



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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2002, 06:10:17 PM »
well from a muslim point of view....

see the torah, the old testament and the quran are SO SIMILIAR its not even funny

but see Jesus becomes introduced as divine in christianitys new testament, jews dont accept him at all, muslims only accept him as a prophet...


see muslims believe that Judaism was the original religion sent by God, that why we believe in Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses etc

but when Jews refuse to accept Jesus, the religion became astray

christiniaty went astray because while jews didnt accept jesus at ALL, christians took it overboard, and gave him divinity

so basically Islam is the true religion because Christianity and Judaism each at critical points wandered off....


thats why we still respect Christains and Jews and call them "People of the Book", we just believe that the confusion surrounding Jesus/Mary and the refusal to accept Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) as the last messanger, sets us apart from christianity and judaism
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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2002, 06:15:40 PM »
^^ Thanks man, that clears up anything I was really wondering about. Not that it changes my mind on christianity, or anything, just didn't know if Muslims considered us believers of the same god. Out of curiosity, how do muslims view the bible? Accept it, or no?
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2002, 06:16:10 PM »
^^ Crap, I should have said Old Testiment. Sorry.
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