Poll

So what west coast albums is missing from The Source Magazines classic list?

pharcyde-bizarre ride to the pharcyde
8 (1.8%)
Ice Cube; Predator
11 (2.5%)
Xzibit; At The Speed Of Life
4 (0.9%)
ATL- Uncle Sams Curse
6 (1.4%)
BG Knocc Out & Dresta- Real Brothas
10 (2.3%)
Eazy-E- Its On
10 (2.3%)
Eazy-E- Str8 Off The Streetz Of Muthaphuckkin Compton
3 (0.7%)
Kokane- Funk Upon A Rhyme
2 (0.5%)
Quik - Rhythm-al-ism
24 (5.4%)
NWA- Niggaz4Life
20 (4.5%)
Suga Free- Street Gospel
1 (0.2%)
Twinz- Conversation
8 (1.8%)
Warren G- Regulate.. G Funk Era
36 (8.2%)
Westside Connection- Bow Down
25 (5.7%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Season of the Siccness
8 (1.8%)
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
46 (10.4%)
Eazy E - Eazy Duz It
16 (3.6%)
Ice-T - Original Gangster
3 (0.7%)
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
2 (0.5%)
Dre Dog - I Hate You With A Passion
2 (0.5%)
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday
4 (0.9%)
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha
20 (4.5%)
E~40 - In a Major Way
4 (0.9%)
Spice 1 - Amerikkka's Nightmare
3 (0.7%)
Spice 1 187 He Wrote.
8 (1.8%)
Warren G - G Funk Era
6 (1.4%)
Xzibit - At the speed of Life
2 (0.5%)
Ras Kass - Soul On Ice
5 (1.1%)
Above The Law - Black Mafia Life
3 (0.7%)
Quik - Safe & Sound
21 (4.8%)
TQ-They Never Saw Me Coming
4 (0.9%)
Xzibit - Restless
8 (1.8%)
The Game - The Documantry
26 (5.9%)
daz dillinger - retaliation revenge & get back
4 (0.9%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel
4 (0.9%)
Dj Quik -Quik is the name
11 (2.5%)
Xzibit-40 dayz and 40 night
3 (0.7%)
N.W.A. -100 miles and running
4 (0.9%)
Snoop Dogg - Doggfather
3 (0.7%)
Tha Eastsidaz - Tha Eastsidaz
6 (1.4%)
cypress hill-temple of boom
3 (0.7%)
mac mall-illegal business
2 (0.5%)
Lil 1/2 Dead; The Dead Has Arisen
6 (1.4%)
E-40- In A Major Way
4 (0.9%)
E-40-  The Hall Of Game
2 (0.5%)
Too Short- Get In Where U Fit In
9 (2%)
Too Short- Cocktails
5 (1.1%)
Foesum Perfection
5 (1.1%)
KAM Made In America
3 (0.7%)
Not on list 1
4 (0.9%)
Not on list 2
3 (0.7%)
Not on list 3
1 (0.2%)
Not on list 4
0 (0%)
Not on list 5
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 96

  

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Chad Vader

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This is a open letter to The Source Magazine.
There has several attacks to The Source magazines East Coast/West Coast biased ass reviews and ratings. (and other Hip Hop publications)
There's only 9 West Coast albums on your classic list,
5 of them is produced by Dr.Dre,there's two 2Pac albums and two Ice Cube albums.
Does this mean that the West Coast has (had) three artists that has enough talent to make a classic album?
I found a thread on this West Coast board;
www.dubcc.com that is the one of the most if not most important voice for the West Coast Hip Hop music scene.
Where cats have posted their 5/5 albums.
5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
I have gone trough the thread and added all the albums they have posted to a poll where they can vote five times each.
Sure there's some biased ass opinions in there (here) but read trough the lines.
I'm sure they have missed a couple of releases,
if it getīs out of hand I will close this thread and add whatever that's not on the pool and do a new thread.
I'm sure the moderators of this board can merge the threads if that time comes.
Well,I let the dubCC comunity members do the rest of the talking....



To the dubCC comunity members;
My idea for this thread is to voice our opinion about The Source Magazine's biased ass reviews and ratings about West Coast albums.
Maybe they will re-do their list like they have done before?
Do I think they will listen to a open letter/thread that I/we will mail to them?
Yes and no,but it's worth a shot ain't it?
There's way too many West Coast albums that has been overlooked.
I have just copied and pasted
whatever albums you "all" have posted in this thread;

5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
If there's mad albums that it's not on the list and albums that should NOT be on that list.
What albums should be considered in the classics pool? What albums should NOT be there?
I'll just close this thread and do a new thread and include whatever albums that's missing (if you feel theres albums missing).
So what West Coast albums is missing from The Source Magazines Classics list?





Here's The Source Magazine classic Hip Hop album list;
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The Source's 5 Mic Albums

Run-D.M.C. by Run-D.M.C.
Radio by LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill by The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane by Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary by Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business by EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle by The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.

It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick by Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.

Grip It! On That Other Level by Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest

One For All by Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em by Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted by Ice Cube

Breaking Atoms by Main Source
The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
Death Certificate by Ice Cube

The Chronic by Dr. Dre

Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg

Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic by Nas
Ready to Die by The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary by Scarface
The Infamous by Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx by Raekwon
Me Against the World by 2Pac

The Score by The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac

Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini by Outkast
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre

Stillmatic by Nas
The Blueprint by Jay-Z
The Fix by Scarface
The Naked Truth by Lil Kim


Thereīs 5 votes each and you can change your vote if you want

I trimed the list down from the previous poll to the ones that got at least 3 votes,hereīs the previous poll;
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The Lady Of Rage; Neccessary Roughness    0 (0%)
pharcyde-bizarre ride to the pharcyde    4 (0.8%)
Ice Cube; Predator    7 (1.5%)
Xzibit; At The Speed Of Lif    7 (1.5%)
ATL- Uncle Sams Curse    10 (2.1%)
BG Knocc Out & Dresta- Real Brothas    11 (2.3%)
Eazy-E- Its On    5 (1.1%)
Eazy-E- Str8 Off The Streetz Of Muthaphuckkin Compton    4 (0.8%)
Kokane- Funk Upon A Rhyme    3 (0.6%)
K-Dee- Ass, Gas, Or Cash    0 (0%)
MC Ren- Shock Of The Hour    1 (0.2%)
NWA- Niggaz4Life    30 (6.3%)
Suga Free- Street Gospel    5 (1.1%)
Twinz- Conversation    7 (1.5%)
Warren G- Regulate.. G Funk Era    40 (8.4%)
Westside Connection- Bow Down    23 (4.9%)
Lil Chill - Aint No Luv Lost    0 (0%)
C-Funk - 3D Ear Pleasure    0 (0%)
Royal T - Coast 2 Coast    0 (0%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Season of the Siccness    13 (2.7%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Loaded    1 (0.2%)
X Raided - Xorcist    1 (0.2%)
Mr. Doctor - Setripn Bloccstyle    0 (0%)
Young Lay - Black N Dangerous    0 (0%)
Mac Mall - Untouchable    2 (0.4%)
Ray Luv - Forever Hustlin    1 (0.2%)
Dru Down - Can You Feel Me    2 (0.4%)
G~Mo - Ballin 4 Life    0 (0%)
Mausberg - Non Fiction    2 (0.4%)
11/5 - Fiendin 4 the Funk    1 (0.2%)
Dre Dog - I Hate You With A Passion    4 (0.8%)
Mass 187 - Real Trues Paying Dues    0 (0%)
C Bo - Tales From the Crypt & Till My Casket Drops    2 (0.4%)
E~40 - In a Major Way    3 (0.6%)
G.L.P. - Straight Out the Labb    0 (0%)
Spice 1 - Amerikkka's Nightmare    7 (1.5%)
Spice 1 1990-Sick    0 (0%)
Spice 1 187 He Wrote.    5 (1.1%)
G-Ism - On A Mission    0 (0%)
Warren G - G Funk Era    8 (1.7%)
Thug Life-Talez, Volume 1    2 (0.4%)
Warren G-take a look over your shoulder    0 (0%)
Ras Kass - Soul On Ice    6 (1.3%)
Above The Law - Black Mafia Life    3 (0.6%)
Quik - Safe & Sound    11 (2.3%)
Quik - Rhythm-al-ism    17 (3.6%)
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food    35 (7.4%)
2pac- Better Dayz    1 (0.2%)
Eazy E - Eazy Duz It    11 (2.3%)
Ice-T - Original Gangster    4 (0.8%)
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill    6 (1.3%)
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday    7 (1.5%)
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha    16 (3.4%)
Xzibit - At the speed of Life    3 (0.6%)
2Pac - R U Still Down    2 (0.4%)
Skee-Lo - I Wish    1 (0.2%)
TQ-They Never Saw Me Coming    4 (0.8%)
TQ-The Second Coming    1 (0.2%)
Potna Deuce - Heron Soup    0 (0%)
Pizzo - Heaterman    0 (0%)
UDI - Drinks on us    0 (0%)
Mafiosos - Fo tha Money    0 (0%)
Xzibit - Restless    6 (1.3%)
The Game - The Documantry    15 (3.2%)
daz dillinger - R.A.W    2 (0.4%)
daz dillinger - retaliation revenge & get back    5 (1.1%)
eastsidaz - duces and trays ...the old fashioned way    2 (0.4%)
Snoop Dogg No Limit Top Dogg    0 (0%)
Snoop Dogg Tha Last Mea    2 (0.4%)
Ice Cube; War & Peace (vol. 2)    0 (0%)
Daz; Retaliation, Revenge & Get Bacc    1 (0.2%)
Dj Quik - Balance & Options    1 (0.2%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel    4 (0.8%)
Nate Dogg - Music and Me    1 (0.2%)
Kokane - Funk Upon a Rhyme    0 (0%)
Soopafly; Dat Whoopty Woop    1 (0.2%)
Ice-t-Power    1 (0.2%)
213-213    1 (0.2%)
Snoop Dogg-R and G    0 (0%)
Dj Quick -Quick is the name    3 (0.6%)
Xzibit-40 dayz and 40 night    4 (0.8%)
N.W.A. -100 miles and running    4 (0.8%)
2nd II None - 220    0 (0%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel    1 (0.2%)
Penthouse Players Clique - Paid The Cost    1 (0.2%)
Snoop Dogg - Doggfather    8 (1.7%)
Rappin' 4 Tay - Don't Fight The Feelin' (She's A Sell Out)    1 (0.2%)
Rappin' 4 Tay - 4 Tay Is Back    0 (0%)
Tha Eastsidaz - Tha Eastsidaz    4 (0.8%)
MC Ren-The Villian in black    1 (0.2%)
cypress hill-temple of boom    6 (1.3%)
the click-game related    1 (0.2%)
luni coleone-total recall    0 (0%)
mac mall-illegal business    4 (0.8%)
n2deep-the golden state    0 (0%)
Lil 1/2 Dead; The Dead Has Arisen    3 (0.6%)
C-Bo & Killa Tay - Moment Of Truth    0 (0%)
Swoop G- Undisputed    0 (0%)
Bad Azz- Word On Tha Streetz    1 (0.2%)
Dj Pooh- Bad News Travelz Fast    1 (0.2%)
Suga Free/Mausberg-  The Konnectid Project    1 (0.2%)
E-40- In A Major Way    5 (1.1%)
E-40-  The Hall Of Game    4 (0.8%)
Too Short- Get In Where U Fit In    12 (2.5%)
Too Short- Gettin It    2 (0.4%)
Too Short- Cocktails    5 (1.1%)
The Twinz- Conversation    0 (0%)
Celly Cel- The G Filez    0 (0%)
Celly Cel- Killa Kali    0 (0%)
Spice 1- The Black Bossalinie    2 (0.4%)
Hieroglyphics-3rd Eye Vision    2 (0.4%)
Brotha Lynch Hung; 24 Deep    1 (0.2%)
BattleCat Gumbo Roots    0 (0%)
Casual Fear Itself    1 (0.2%)
5 Footaz Worldwide    1 (0.2%)
Ant Banks The Big Badass    0 (0%)
Domino Domino    1 (0.2%)
ATL Living Like Hustlers    0 (0%)
Foesum Perfection    6 (1.3%)
Funkdoobiest Which Doobie U Be?    0 (0%)
KAM Made In America    4 (0.8%)
KAM Neva Again    1 (0.2%)
All From Tha I All Frum Tha I    0 (0%)
Mad CJ Mac True Game    0 (0%)
Paris Guerrilla Funk    0 (0%)
SCC South Central Madness    0 (0%)
Sicx Dead4 Life    2 (0.4%)

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Record Report interview with Reginald C. Dennis,Music Editor on how The Source rate records


”Put Ya Mics Where Ya Mouth Is” January 2001 NO.136



Anatomy of a classic album in The Source August 2003 NO.167


« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 01:00:13 PM by Vader »
 

Chad Vader

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Convos about Chronic 2001;

I was disappointed almost all the verses on the album, except the Eminem ones

Dre SO should have kept the Royce verses for Way I Be Pimpin - those verses were better than everything on the album, except Em's verses

Snoop's shit was real tired and cliche, same with Kurupt. Hittman is a snooze-fest... Devin The Dude was nice though, his stuff can stay

Not all of the beats were dope, there's quite a few fillers... those were the main problems more critics found with the album (content and fillers) and why it got a lot mostly 4/5 stars and not 5/5 stars


Hittman a snooze-fest?!!!!! what the fuck you on. You also telling me Snoop was wack on Next Episode? Give me a break.

I was disappointed almost all the verses on the album, except the Eminem ones

Dre SO should have kept the Royce verses for Way I Be Pimpin - those verses were better than everything on the album, except Em's verses

Snoop's shit was real tired and cliche, same with Kurupt. Hittman is a snooze-fest... Devin The Dude was nice though, his stuff can stay

Not all of the beats were dope, there's quite a few fillers... those were the main problems more critics found with the album (content and fillers) and why it got a lot mostly 4/5 stars and not 5/5 stars



idiot

lol that was uncalled for, relax, UCC is a reasonable person so i assume he was sarcastic with some of his comments  ;)


anyway, UCC, you don't like Hittman?

Come on, what's good about Hittman though, someone break it down for me. He's not really lyrical, he doesn't have an interesting flow or voice, he's ok, but come on most HipHop heads were not feeling Hittman... no one is gonna bring him up in a dope MC discussion, but Royce and Em are known as incredible lyricists - and Kurupt is too, he just decided to kick some bland stuff on 2001

2001 was HEAVILY criticized by REAL HIPHOP HEADS for it's boring lyrics - no one can deny that it has some super incredible dope beats... but that was some cliched lyrics on there for real!

If people think Snoop's Next Episode verse was dope... then you really need to go back and listen to the OG Next Episode, or The Chronic or Doggystyle... same with Kurupt


i see your point about Hittman; i wouldn't say he's one of the best out there, but i think he's a dope mc.
i can see why you're not liking his flow, he ain't got a flow that sticks out but whether that's an issue is just a matter of taste.


but as far as the lyrics on 2001 in general are concerned, if you classify some of it as clichés (as an argument for why you think 2001 ain't a classic) then i'd say if you generalise it like that then there hardly any real classic albums left  :P


I was disappointed almost all the verses on the album, except the Eminem ones
Dre SO should have kept the Royce verses for Way I Be Pimpin - those verses were better than everything on the album, except Em's verses
Snoop's shit was real tired and cliche, same with Kurupt.
Hittman is a snooze-fest...
Devin The Dude was nice though, his stuff can stay



First speaking objectively,I can see where you coming from.
-Snoop is Snoop
-Kurupt didn't bring his killer flow.
-Devin's verse was funny (as always).
-Hittman snooze-fest? yes,I can see where you're coming from. But he fit in,in the bigger picture as a supporting MC. For the record I personally love him.
-Em killed it and did a phenomenal job writing The Watcher
-Xzibit killed it
-6-2 killed it,but sadly only had a short cameo.

As for the content,Dre and friends was sort off going trough and celebrated his career.
So I see nothing wrong with that,but again;
It's not what you say,it's how you say it!


Not all of the beats were dope, there's quite a few fillers...
those were the main problems more critics found with the album (content and fillers) and why it got a lot mostly 4/5 stars and not 5/5 stars


Well Murder Dog gave it 3.5 out of 5
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http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150824.msg1640421#msg1640421



XXL gave it 4 out of 5
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Dr.Dre; The Chronic 2001 review in XXL Jan/Feb 2000 NO.22



The Source gave it 4.5 out of 5
Quote
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=150824.msg1640421#msg1640421
209 Dr.Dre; Chronic 2001 review in The Source January 2000 NO.124




The Source corrected it to 5 out of 5.
XXL; 4 out of 5
Murder Dog; 3.5 out of 5
So a little mixed reviews  :P


 

Chad Vader

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Convos about Dogg Food;

As far as Dogg Food goes initially the NY NY song was supposed to be a tribute song about NY but after what happened in the Source awards in 1995 with Death Row getting booed and Suge making the comments about Puffy really instigated the whole East/West beef and that Dogg Food album was kind of revamped oriiginally it was to feature East Coast artists 2 songs in particula,r Don't Stop with Nas and Got My Mind Made Up with Method Man, Redman and Inspectah Deck were supposed to be on there but Suge took them off and gave Got My Mind Made Up to Pac and removed Deck's verse and Don't Stop was also given to Pac and eventually released later on with Daz releasing the original version on The Last Of Tha Pound. I feel that album could've been uniting the 2 coasts and maybe the East/West thing would've never happened I mean it really was just a personal thing between Pac and Big. As far as the released version goes it sure did make an impact here in NY because it made us take notice when Kurupt basically lyrically assassinated us on our own shit. The East was forever talking about how the West does not have dope MC's that they are just about the beats and Kurupt perfected the combination of West coast gangsta rhymes mixed with East coast battle raps on that record.

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Coming to the Doggfood issue,hmmm. I lived in NYC at the time too.
So I definatly know what youīre talking about.
I agree that the Pac VS Biggie beef was personal,but we both know that East VS West beef was not about that.
It was about the biased ass "NYC critics",that is another topic that the OG post should trigger a convo about.
I had had a lot of heatet arguements with my boys back then about this.
Is the album dope and a West Coast classic?
No doubt about it,but again itīs a extension of Doggystyle so it could be dismissed on that premise.
But it wasnīt another Dre produced project,Daz did his own thing and Kurupt came correct showing that the west could hang with the East on the mic. So yes this album should also be up for debate for the overall classic status.

When it comes to the Cube albums I donīt agree,they might be personal favorites/classics,but far from overall classics.
Death Certificate and AmeriKKKas Most Wanted yes,even if I personally donīt feel AmeriKKKas Most Wanted I canīt front that it was a important album for itīs time. Personally I take Predator and Lethal Injection over it,but thatīs subjective opinion.


yeah its hard for me not to be biased about Dogg Food cause it might be my favorite album of all time definitely in my top 5, overall classic well it is definitely not cut and dry very debatable and I would like to compare it favorably to an east coast album that came out the same year Mobb Deep The Infamous. Now I would put Dogg Food right up there with Mobb Deep's album you had Shook Ones Pt II which was one of the alltime coldest rap joints off of The Infamous and then you have N.Y.N.Y off of Dogg Food which is comparable in the same sense. Both albums had MC's who were considered to be probably top 10-15 at the time and both had partners who were dope producers in Havoc and Daz. Were it not for the East/West contreversy I would tend to think that the NY critics might have had a different view on Dogg Food as far as its classic status

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^^^^^
Mobb Deep with Shook Ones had a stronger single,but Dogg Food is a more consistent album.
Maybe,I'm just saying maybe... if Dogg Food had some stronger singles to lead the album it would have made a difference?


good point, I was confused to what Dogg Food's lead single was gonna be because I had seen something on MTV a little before the album was supposed to come out and they had I think Kurupt playing "Respect" in a car and saying something to the effect that it would be the first single and all of a sudden the "Let's Play House" video comes out and I was like wtf but I guess commercially that was a pretty radio friendly track with Michelle but maybe if they would have led off the album with "NY, NY" I think it would have packed a bigger punch initially. I think another factor was the East Coast West Coast thing had just popped off and I remember NY radio at the time started to lay off the west coast tracks around 1995 so the album suffered in NYC and didn't have the impact that previous Death Row releases had here. I just listened to the album over the weekend and its really hard for me not to consider it a classic the production on this by Daz and the 2 DJ Pooh tracks is amazing alot of people forget that and see no Dre production but Dre did mix the album which makes a world of difference and I'm not so sure he didn't have a hand in some of the production of it as well

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Youīre right I heard "Respect" on the radio a couple of months before on the radio as well,
got a little confused because Dre speaks in the beginning but it didnīt sound like a Dre production.
I wasnīt sure who would produce the album before it dropped,because of all the conflicting rumors and talk in interviews.
Then they pick "Letīs play house",a terrible track in my opinion. Definatily not a track for the East Coast,so this could be a factor.


how would you personally rate the album?
and how would you rate it if you try to be as objective as possible?

Personal rating; 4/5 thereīs a couple of tracks that got to go.
Objective rating; 4/5 thatīs only musicallly/lyrically speaking. (because of some of the weaker cuts)
Thereīs other aspects to be considered,like Iīve discussed with HighEyeCue and others in this thread before.
This album made some serious damage when it came out and still getīs mad love,
but if you compare to The Chronic well then it comes short.  :-\
So to rate it is really tuff,but then again look at all those East Coast albums that only had local buzz that got rave ratings.
Just because a album only or for the most spoke to the west coast,doesnīt mean it lacks the qualities of a classic.
But again this shit is hard.....


thanks for the Rap Pages review Chad I remember reading it back then in 1996, my favorite album of all time, lets for arguments sake put Can't C Me on like it was supposed to be, definitely puts it over the hump and is a CLASSIC album 5/5 :laugh:

ohh well,I donīt know about that.
But Iīll do a serious breakdown of Dogg Food,Niggaz 4 Life,Regulate and Bow Down.
To see what I come up with myself....  :P
Is there any more albums that we have discussed that should have been granted a classic status?


Dogg Pound; Dogg Food;


-1. Intro
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Dope intro
2. Doggpound Gangstaz
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Kurupt absolutely KILLS it,the beat is fire. CLASSIC!
3. Respect
Lyrics; 8
Beat; 5
Donīt feel the beat,but Kurupt kills it so...
4. New York, New York
Lyrics; 8
Beat; 5
I know a lot of you cats LOVE this track,but I think itīs average. Sorry.
Iīll give you that Kurupt kills it tho...
5. Smooth
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Like the name of the track itīs smooth... love it.
Again Kurupt kills it.
6. Cyco-Lic-No
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Love it....
7. Riden Slipen And Sliden
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Smooth...
8. Big Pimpen
Lyrics; 6
Beat; 6
Average
9. Let's Play House
Lyrics; 5
Beat; 2
Never liked it,donīt like it now. Terrible break.....
10. I Don't Like To Dream About Gettin' Paid
Lyrics; 5
Beat; 5
Donīt feel it,again terrible break....
11. Do What I Feel
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
This is more my shit,tight beat and Kurupt....
12. If We All
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Simply love how they trade rhymes back and forth... classic
13. Some Bomb Azz
Lyrics; 10
Beat; 10
Smooth...
14. A Doggz Day After Noon
Lyrics: 10
Beat; 10
Some gangster shit... loving it
15. Reality
Lyrics; 6
Beat; 6
Average
16. One By One
Lyrics; 6
Beat; 6
Average
17. Sooo Much Style
Lyrics; 8
Beat; 8
cool

280/340 that should leave my PERSONAL rating around 3.5
it still feels like 4 when I dump the tracks I donīt feel.
Pluss;
I might have been a little too hard on it and the album has qualities that could qualify as a classic.






Here you go HighEyeCue a Dogg Food review,as you can see they gave it 7 out of 10 (3.5/5).  >:(
294 Dogg Pound; Dogg Food review in Rap Pages January 1996

 

Chad Vader

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Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha

1 - I Call Shots 5/5
Kurupt rips it at about 150mph
pshychosomatic automatic static bubonic chronic addict
Roscoes verse may be even better enough said
2 - Loose Cannons 4/5
nice track, Xzibit makes a welcome apperance beat is above average
3 - Who Ride Wit Us 5/5
classic beat, classic DPG song Daz and Kurupt rip it with their flows
4 - Represent Dat G.C 5/5
the whole gang is here Snoop, Soopa, Tray Deee who has never dropped a wack verse. Jayo, Daz
another classic Kurupt had the worst verse on here but it doesnt really matter
5 - Welcome Home 5/5
classics still keep on coming bumps like a muthafucka in the ride and Latoya kills it
Kurupt dope flows but lyrics a little too repetiitive repeating the same words I sense a pattern
6 - Tequila 3/5
ok track again Organized Noize beat not nearly as dope as their first one
7 - Trylogy 4/5
nice track but the beat again not not feeling it as much as others
Kurupts rips it about 200 mph one of the sickest freestyles I've ever heard and he is on beat the whole time
8 - Neva Gonna Give It Up 5/5
another banger classic DPG posse cut Meech brings the heat
9 - Tha Streetz Iz a Mutha 4/5
title track goes hard Kurupt especially shows much emotion on this Big Pimpin adds his touch too
10 - Ya Can't Trust Nobody 3/5
nice beat but sounds like Kurupt was doing his vocals in an alley somewhere his voice is fucked up on this one and his lyrics not too great Daz is ok
11 - It Ain't About You - 4/5
 Tray Deee and Soopa shine on this one nice beat 
12 - Girls All Pause -2/5
no comment
13 - Your Gyrl Friend 3/5
alotta people think this is classic actually part 2 on RAW is mile above this Kurupt using alotta profanity and not feeling it great beat by Dilli though
14 - Ho's a Housewife 4/5
slightly different version than the 2001 track I prefer that one but it still pretty dope Hittman shines on this
15 - I Ain't Shit Without My Homeboyz 5/5
now were talking great beat by Soopa, Kurupt rips his opening verse, everybody kills it
16 - Step Up 5/5
now yall don't wanna see this west coast MC shit Crooked, Kurupt and Xzibit all kill it with their unique flows
17 - Live On The Mic 3.5/5 sounds out of place on the album Krs definitely outraps Kurupt on this freestyle session what a legend he is
not feeling the beat by Soopa
18 - Callin Out Names 4/5
Kurupt just rips through DMX on this banger by Fred Wreck really showed alot of emotion lyrics are slightly above average though

overall I give it from a 4-4.25/5 west coast classic
Definitely a DPG classic
not an overall classic but an album that wil be remembered as Kurupts best and most conisitent but he only really ripped maybe 5 or 6 cuts like he can and gets outrapped alot when he is with guest artists, Production was very consistent throughout but not overwhelming




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Hmmm,yeah itīs a DPG and a West Coast classic. 
It got 4 Mics in The Source,canīt remember what Rap Pages gave it. Hating ass HHC probably didnīt even bother to review it  .
Overall it feels like it deserves 4,but if I break it down musically it would probably end up something like 3.5/5.
I know it considered Kurupts best,but personally I would rate Space Boogie about the same,
sure Space Boogie got some really weak poppy joints,but the dope ones makes up for the weak ones. 
BTW Space Boogie also got 4/5 by The Source. 
If you all would like to discuss Kurupts work a litttle more hit this thread; 
Thoughts on Kurupt after finally hearing the discography
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=141480.msg1471525#msg1471525

 


Klue

ATL -  Uncle Sams Curse
BG Knocc Out & Dresta- Real Brothas
Quik - Safe & Sound
Foesum Perfection
Warren G - G funk Era

really too hard to choose...
 

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Mac Dre and (Dubee)

much as i like YBB and GFC 1 and 2,in my personal opinion I wouldn't call them classics.
Now mac Dre's 'al boo boo', 'genie of the lamp', and 'dreganomics?' and 'it ain't what you say it's how you say it'....classic, to me.
-T


OK,but then you got to define what's a overall classic.
YBB set a movement off,The Mac came before Mac Dre but nobody really paid any notice.
YBB had a string of hits and set Mac Dre and Khayree on the map,not that it has anything to do with the record but all the drama around Mac Dre at the time helped a lot. While Mac Dre went to jail,the record set the stage up for Khayree to break other artists like Mac Mall. As for the other records you're talking about,I'm not sure which one should be credited as being the most important for setting the Thizz/Hyphy movement off.

You got to put yourself in the "media's" frame of mind.
-What new did they bring to the table?
-Did they break new musical or lyrical boundaries?
-Had the lyrical content relevance to what was going on in society or the Hip Hop scene at the time?
-Did it set any musical movements off?

Tanji did you read my part about Niggaz4Life?
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What's missing:
Mr. X - Mr. X
MC Eiht - We Come Strapped
U.D.I. - Under Da Influence
Messy Marv - Bandannas, Tattoos & Tongue Rings
Nate Dogg - G-Funk Classics 1&2
Dubee aka Suga Wolf
Mac Dre - Young Black Brother


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While Dubee AKA SugaWolf is a personal favorite,not sure if anybody else but bay heads will recognize it.
But it's a flawless record and mad slept on,so shame on all of you that hasn't checked it out.

Dubee aka Suga Wolf

Dubee,Mall & Sleep Dubee,Mac Mall and Sleep Dank produced by Khayree
http://www.mediafire.com/?9xztwe1mxgt

If this track ain't fire,I don't know what.....




I just feel those albums have amazingly strong material.
And some of them on a musical level are ridiculously clever.
'medamac' and some others from that era are actually innovative in their musicality.
some new age funk.

-T


New age funk  :laugh: ha,ha. That's a dope word.
Felling lazy? Those few words didn't get me over.
Musically clever don't equal a classic. Khayree,Cold 187um & DJ Quik have all produced some shit that is out of this world musically.
But granted the title producing a overall critical classic is something they have yet to do.
The thing is these NYC Hip Hop critics,sadly has been in a position to say what's a classic or not.
This again has affected the sales and acclaim for many Left Coast artists.
You know how people go,they believe what they read and what's printed is the "truth".
All this is somehow is history now because we got internet,
but I still think there's some albums that need to get recognized for their greatness.
Maybe,I say maybe we can trough this thread and convo voice our opinion.
I know it's a little naive that some fucks on a message board can make a difference,but hey don't say I didn't try.  :laugh:



those dreezy albums are classic because damn near every track is not just a banger but a good time in itself.

you're sad when one song's over but then when the next one starts, the good time rolls all over again it's ridiculous.

not only is the production ridiculously funky, but the raps is clever, sophisticated, and catchy. You can memorize his verses after hearing them once or twice cause they sound so simple yet they're such good craft. Not just lyrically, but his vocal inflection, flow and delivery is utterly astoundingly entertaining and artistically effective.

The second verse from "miss you", the last song from thizzelle washington is a great testament to how great of a rapper Mac Dre is.

"You never met a nigga like Dre befo/
Been doin' playa shit since eighty fo/
don't believe me?Chump ask the ratio/
I don't chase the ho. I replace the ho/
all on a bitch like Leon Phelps
I'm tryna get rich so if she don' help/
The bitch gets benched like a pitcher in a slump
You wanna chip in? Lemme getcha in some pumps/
I do my thing, you do yo thing/
It don't even gotta be no pimp and ho thing/
we can do the thing like Clyde and Bonnie/
Putcha in a Benz, getcha out that Omni
we can get down on Sandy beaches
sippin' on wine, eatin' on peaches
it's sav lav lovey when you fuck with mac dre/
and every time I leave, ya haveta say...

I'm gonna miss you in the morning."
and the beat is ridiculously dope 80's funk...it's just powerful classic shit.

just listen to his last 5 records man, you'l see what I'm saying.

thizzelle washington is probably the worst of those last few, but the dope songs on it are ridiculous.

-T



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Because I was hoping that you would break Mac Dreīs catalog with your essay type review,
I "prepared" myself while I was hooking you up,I was pumping Mac Dre most of the summer.
So I know his shit now,I'm a little disappointed that you ain't doing the Mac Dre "breakdown".......
Anyways,I see his talent and he might have two arguable classics;
Young Black Brotha and the one that set of the thizz/hyphy movement,which one of his records did that?
What I'm trying to say again,it's not only the music that counts to be considered a overall classic.
If you read the Niggaz4Life,Doggfood and Cube convo I had with HighEyeCue from the previous page,you'll get what I mean.
Posted bellow;;  ;)

As far as impact goes the NWA album was really the first time Dre had used the G-funk sound that he went to on The Chronic.
Also the first complete album that they did without Cube as a member and many people thought they could not pull it off as Cube was the main lyricist and writer of the group but they underestimated MC Ren who played the main role now on that and did a great job.

Hmmm,first I donīt agree that it was the first time used the "funk" sound.
Eazy Duz it was full of funk samples,but that convo can be done later not here because that's beside the point.
But I do agree to some point that it is a overall classic.
My personal opinion it's a way better album than Straight Outta Compton,both lyrically and musically.
You got to put yourself in the "media's" frame of mind.
-What new did they bring to the table that they didn't do on the first album?
-Did they break new boundaries?
-Had the lyrical content relevance to what was going on in society or the Hip Hop scene at the time?

Well,I can say yes to all above questions.
-First of,if Doggystyle is a classic (it is),then this should be too.
Doggystyle was like extension of The Chronic,it didn't really bring something "new" that wasn't already explored on The Chronic.
Yes,it was Snoopīs solo album but it was more like a "Chronic 2". So they can't use that excuse.
-Dre broke new boundaries with his production,it's argued that this is Dre's finest production work and it was a very well executed concept album. So again YES.
-At the time there was a turmoil in the Hip Hop scene about gangster rap and the negative lyrics it contained.
The "N" word was even controversial in the Hip Hop scene back then.
NWA was the poster boys for gangster rap so naturally they was attacked from left to right because of their faul language at the time.
The Native Tongue collective throwed a lot of subliminal disses towards them,there's also some subliminal thrown at them at the "Niggaz4Life" album. Listen carefully. They took the gangster rap critic and the subliminal about the overnight blackman thing to the extreme,so yes the album was relevant to what was going on in the Hip Hop scene at the time. So YES again.

But I remember the reviews at the time was hating on it.
I don't have The Source review,but I got the Hip Hop Connections review,can't remember the rating,but can find and scan it later.
What it's hypocritical is that they gave "100 miles and runnin" 5/5,a classic just year before so you know they was "colored" from what was going on in the Hip Hop scene at the time.




As far as Dogg Food goes initially the NY NY song was supposed to be a tribute song about NY but after what happened in the Source awards in 1995 with Death Row getting booed and Suge making the comments about Puffy really instigated the whole East/West beef and that Dogg Food album was kind of revamped originally it was to feature East Coast artists 2 songs in particular,r Don't Stop with Nas and Got My Mind Made Up with Method Man, Redman and Inspectah Deck were supposed to be on there but Suge took them off and gave Got My Mind Made Up to Pac and removed Deck's verse and Don't Stop was also given to Pac and eventually released later on with Daz releasing the original version on The Last Of Tha Pound. I feel that album could've been uniting the 2 coasts and maybe the East/West thing would've never happened I mean it really was just a personal thing between Pac and Big. As far as the released version goes it sure did make an impact here in NY because it made us take notice when Kurupt basically lyrically assassinated us on our own shit. The East was forever talking about how the West does not have dope MC's that they are just about the beats and Kurupt perfected the combination of West coast gangsta rhymes mixed with East coast battle raps on that record.

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Coming to the Doggfood issue,hmmm. I lived in NYC at the time too.
So I defiantly know what you're talking about.
I agree that the Pac VS Biggie beef was personal,but we both know that East VS West beef was not about that.
It was about the biased ass "NYC critics",that is another topic that the OG post should trigger a convo about.
I had had a lot of heated arguments with my boys back then about this.
Is the album dope and a West Coast classic?
No doubt about it,but again it's a extension of Doggystyle so it could be dismissed on that premise.
But it wasn't another Dre produced project,Daz did his own thing and Kurupt came correct showing that the west could hang with the East on the Mic. So yes this album should also be up for debate for the overall classic status.

When it comes to the Cube albums I don't agree,they might be personal favorites/classics,but far from overall classics.
Death Certificate and AmeriKKKas Most Wanted yes,even if I personally don't feel AmeriKKKas Most Wanted I can't front that it was a important album for it's time. Personally I take Predator and Lethal Injection over it,but that's subjective opinion.



I'm sorry that I haven't done what you hoped with the mac Dre stuff but it's hard to organize the shit track by track.

I like to listen to an album as a piece in itself and with his catalog it can be kind of a task. Plus I don't like alot of that early stuff as much and I sure as hell don't like the other rappers that are all over his stuff which makes it hard cause he has soundtracks/group albums etc.

I don't even consider YBB as classic as

it's not what you say...it's how you say it
AL boo boo
Ronald dregan:dreganomics
the genie of the lamp

and i still haven't heard 'mac Dre's the name' but something tells me that album is going to impress me

-T


Again you're coming with a subjective opinion,
it's all good if YOU like those albums better than this or that album.
The topic is;
What West Coast albums should be considered OVERALL classics by "NYC" critics?
So again I would like you read the convo me and HighEyeCue
had on the previous page about Niggaz4Life,DoggFood and Cubeīs albums. (I copied and pasted it above)
Then I would like you come a little more convincing on why any of his albums should be considered OVERALL classics.

 

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Mixed opinions;

I respect what you are doing.  You obviously remember (just like me) when The Source had not only credibility, but was the defining Hip Hop mag ever.  Unfortunately, those days are long gone.  Printed Mags are a thing of the past - they must resort to fanaticism, dramatics, and gossip / paparazzi tactics to sell papers.  It gets more and more desperate every year.

We can get information 10x as fast through the net.  We can get it without spin and without hype, which is the way it should be.  We don't need to be spoonfed our opinions by somebody that writes for a mag.

There are people on this board more credible than The Source of XXL.

So in closing, I say FUCK THEM.


Here you go,you can read between the "lines".
Let's call it a open letter to the Hip Hop letter to the critics in power instead(?) AKA most if not all based in NYC.
I don't know if The Source even "exist" anymore,I never see them on the news stands like I used too.
That right there means the retailers don't see The Source as one of the the big sellers and a interesting magazine anymore.
When I'm bored at the news stand and see it I flip trough it,but as you said all there's left is gossip and bullshit.
It's sad because I like printed matter more than reading interviews and what not on line.
The only good magazine left is Murder Dog,great in depth interviews about stuff I'm interested in.
Their reviews is a joke and subjective,
but from what I can gather it's more like a "fan" made magazine than professional writers taking care of the reviews and interviews.
So it's more like a printed "dubcNN".
The Source will have it's place as one the most important voices in Hip Hop,no matter if we like it or not,not as a printed matter anymore but their legacy will continue because of their history.
Their opinion will be "broadcasted" on line trough place like wikipedia, a place that many visit for information.
Does it matter what think,yes and no.
There's albums that has been overlooked and needs to be recognized.
Like for example list their favorite MCīs unconscious "we" always name the usual suspects.
If someone mention a MC that is not "recognized" as one best of all time,there will be debate.
But we all know there is MC that it's not on the "official list" that deserves to be there.
You seem like a "smart" cat so you can read between the lines what I'm getting at,right?


you and me both know that 99% of that list is some shit that only west coast fans would listen to.
the only thing that would have somewhat of a chance would be like Pharcyde, Black Sunday, Predator, and Bow Down.
I hope you didn't direct the source people to this thread.
The options to choose from already kinda disproves any sort of credibility this thread has.
Not like The source made any good decisions with choosing Lil Kim or Stillmatic.
But we don't fight wrong with wrong.

I'm sorry but Soopafly Dat Whoopty Woop, and Dogg Food, Regulate G Funk Era... do not belong on the same list as Low End Theory. And those 3 albums are already probably better than like 90% of the other albums on this poll.


Yes. I agree the list is full of either "West Coast" favorites or bullshit and agree that we can't fight wrong with wrong.
I did NOT send a link to this thread,it will be seen as a joke with those albums listed in the pool.
But I was not going to censor the albums listed in the 5/5 thread,that would be biased,right?
Call this a pre-thread where we all can discuss these issue's.
There is some smart cats in here,so I'm sure we can come up with something clever?



The NWA album was the first hiphop album that I purchased back in 1991 and
I think it is definitely a classic introducing the first G-funk single with "Alwayz Into Something".
I still remember the first time I heard it on NY radio it was a mix show late at night and I was hooked immediately so I had to purchase that album and I was playing the cassette constantly for I don't know how long.
I think the East/West beef had alot to do with alot of these albums not appreciated in NY for instance by the time Dogg Food hit most over here had already developed a dislike for the West and when they came out with New York, New York it only grew bigger.
So alot of these albums were overlooked but Dogg Food is definitely an overall classic production, lyricism both on point.
The Predator also is classic as were all of Cube's solo albums up to about Lethal Injection
.

Let's use your post as an example,because you used four West Coast albums everyone on this board knows well.
Your post actually raise a interesting question;
What is an overall classic?
The albums you mentioned could be at least be considered West Coast classics or favorites.
But did they make an impact?
Was they groundbreaking?

Again for those that CANīT read;
To the dubCC comunity members;
My idea for this thread is to voice our opinion about The Source Magazine's biased ass reviews and ratings about West Coast albums.
Maybe they will redo their list like they have done before?
Do I think they will listen to a open letter/thread that I/we will mail to them?
Yes and no,but it's worth a shot ain't it?
There's way too many West Coast albums that has been overlooked.
I have just copied and pasted
whatever albums you "all" have posted in this thread;

5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
If there's mad albums that it's not on the list and albums that should NOT be on that list.
What albums should be considered in the classics pool? What albums should NOT be there?
I'll just close this thread and do a new thread and include whatever albums that's missing (if you feel theres albums missing).
So what West Coast albums is missing from The Source Magazines Classics list?



Going Off On Tanjints Vol.2: West coast music's purpose
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=149064.0

 Around the time Damizza and BC's "Back B4 Ur Lonely" dropped, there was that DMX quote dissing the repetitive topics of WC rap and there wad that horribly scathing review of Back B4 Ur Lonely by that really east coast centric rap magazine/website and what I couldn't help but notice is how focused both of these sources were focused on lyrics.

          I think these cats don't realize that lyrics are a secondary function and focus of West coast music. People came out to California to find gold, to become actors, and to experience freedom. Whereas the NY dream is more about making it big in whatever it is you're doing. That said, the music is going to have a different purpose, a different feel. West coast music is often about just recreating the feeling of a breezy sunset. To me the best example of this is Warren G's "This DJ". How does that not FEEL like a sunset?

               Anyway, these scathing assessments of West coast rap seem completely ignorant of how sonically terrible most East coast/mainstream hip-hop sounds. Even Nas' latest album, while containting some dope raps sounds pretty horrible on a production level for the most part. There's like 5 hot beats on it. Really, Back B4 Ur Lonely is a better produced record than that one in my opinion. And that's not a diss to Nas; I think his whole point was to focus back on the raps (hence the accapella track at the end) but it's okay for East coast cats to be vocal-oriented but it's not okay for West coast cats to be production-oriented? It's alot of bias, and it seems like a case of one coast wanted to kick the other while they're down. West coast ain't making as much noise as it used to on the mainstream scene and some of these assholes want to remind us of that, knock our self esteem and keep it that way.

                 That said, the cat that reviewed Butch and Damizza didn't even realize that the record's just supposed to be some shit to feel good. Yeah, "Cruz'n" may not be the lyrical masterpiece that "NY State Of Mind" or even "Hip-Hop Is Dead" is but it's really funky, pretty, and great to chill and smoke to. These cats don't even realize what the music is for, nor are they in a context to enjoy it. What right do they have to speak so harshly on some independent cats trying to do the damn thing? It's one thing to say you don't like some shit; that's cool. But to say it's straight horrible when you don't even know what's going on? You can miss me with that shit.

West coast music has it's origins in funk. People weren't looking to George Clinton(not that he's West coast, but as far as the aesthetics of his music) for intelligence and political commentary (though sometimes he gave it, "Chocolate City" anyone?) they were looking for the newest beat to get stuck in their head and dance to. And to me, that's what alot of West coast music is about.

That's not to say alot of cats on the West shouldn't improve their topics/rapping, but I think you guys see my point and that's another discussion entirely.


-T


I guess all I can really say is that the whole is not always equal to the sum of its parts. those albums works really as pieces you know? the combined experience of a consecutive listen is just an artistically powerful thing.

you see, these things are hella subjective which is how the source and other hip hop sources get away with this shit.

I'm fine with them not liking west coast hip hop, but it's when they dismiss it as not even valid art is when I get pissed.

To say I don't like some shit and 'this shit is whack' is two totally different things.

on the east coast, in urban areas, motherfuckers really is hanging out on the stoops, corners, and alleys bumpin grimy shit smoking' blunts or whatever and that music fits that context. the lyrical shit is what they need cause all they have is conversation and idea exchange in limited space.

in Cali the sound is more expansive and spacious and the lyrics reflect that cause we're mobbing about, in parks, barbecues, backyards, patios, mountains and other natural expansive scape's. the music we live to reflects the context it is in and same with east coast shit.

anyone read 'rime' magazine? I bought a copy several months back cause it was wested the fuck out. Daz was on the cover and had an interview, and too short and ice cube had interviews in that shit too. i think there may have been one or two more west coast artists than that all getting love in that magazine.

we just gotta choose to support organizations that respect and understand the context of the west coast.

-T

-T

I guess all I can really say is that the whole is not always equal to the sum of its parts.
those albums works really as pieces you know? the combined experience of a consecutive listen is just an artistically powerful thing.

You still haven't convinced that any of the Mac Dre's albums should be considered overall classics.
Not even sure they're West Coast classics,they might be bay classics....
That as far as I think I would go. You know I love the YBB family,but I have to try to be objective... ;)


You see, these things are hella subjective which is how The Source and other Hip Hop sources get away with this shit.
I'm fine with them not liking west coast hip hop,but it's when they dismiss it as not even valid art is when I get pissed.
To say I don't like some shit and 'this shit is wak' is two totally different things.


The Media is supposed to be objective,and they sure as hell has dismissed it as valid art.
I believe if the "NYC critics" had a more open mind to West Coast Hip Hop,
some of these artists and albums that we love would have been more successful and respected.
They basically said all your stupid "gang bang" lyrics is corny,and your productions ain't "real" Hip Hop.
....and because you don't do Hip Hop the way it's "supposed" to be done,the East Coast way,your shit is wak.
I see that you put some other words to the shit Iīm saying below,and that's what this whole thing break down to.


On the east coast,in urban areas,motherfuckers really is hanging out on the stoops,corners,
and alleys bumpin grimy shit smoking' blunts or whatever and

that music fits that context.

The lyrical shit is what they need cause all they have is conversation and idea exchange in limited space.

In Cali the sound is more expansive and spacious and the lyrics reflect that cause we're mobbing about,
in parks, barbecues, backyards, patios, mountains and other natural expansive scape's.

The music we live to reflects the context it is in
and same with east coast shit.



^^^^


anyone read 'Rime' magazine?
I bought a copy several months back cause it was wested the fuck out.
Daz was on the cover and had an interview, and Too Short and Ice Cube had interviews in that shit too.
I think there may have been one or two more west coast artists than that all getting love in that magazine.

we just gotta choose to support organizations
that respect and understand the context of the west coast.


-T

Yep,but I think Rime magazine is a little shallow.....
I rather fuck with Murder Dog magazine.


www.murderdog.com



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This is a open letter to The Source Magazine.
There has several attacks to The Source magazines East Coast/West Coast biased ass reviews and ratings. (and other Hip Hop publications)
There's only 9 West Coast albums on your classic list,
5 of them is produced by Dr.Dre,there's two 2Pac albums and two Ice Cube albums.
Does this mean that the West Coast has (had) three artists that has enough talent to make a classic album?
I found a thread on this West Coast board;
www.dubcc.com that is the one of the most if not most important voice for the West Coast Hip Hop music scene.
Where cats have posted their 5/5 albums.
5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
I have gone trough the thread and added all the albums they have posted to a pool where they can vote five times each.
Sure there's some biased ass opinions in there (here) but read trough the lines.
I'm sure they have missed a couple of releases,
if it getīs out of hand I will close this thread and add whatever that's not on the pool and do a new thread.
I'm sure the moderators of this board can merge the threads if that time comes.
Well,I let the dubCC comunity members do the rest of the talking....



To the dubCC comunity members;
My idea for this thread is to voice our opinion about The Source Magazine's biased ass reviews and ratings about West Coast albums.
Maybe they will re-do their list like they have done before?
Do I think they will listen to a open letter/thread that I/we will mail to them?
Yes and no,but it's worth a shot ain't it?
There's way too many West Coast albums that has been overlooked.
I have just copied and pasted
whatever albums you "all" have posted in this thread;

5/5 albums
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=29035.0
If there's mad albums that it's not on the list and albums that should NOT be on that list.
What albums should be considered in the classics pool? What albums should NOT be there?
I'll just close this thread and do a new thread and include whatever albums that's missing (if you feel theres albums missing).
So what West Coast albums is missing from The Source Magazines Classics list?





Here's The Source Magazine classic Hip Hop album list;
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The Source's 5 Mic Albums

Run-D.M.C. by Run-D.M.C.
Radio by LL Cool J
Licensed to Ill by The Beastie Boys
Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C.
Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions
Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim
Long Live the Kane by Big Daddy Kane
By All Means Necessary by Boogie Down Productions
Strictly Business by EPMD
Straight Out the Jungle by The Jungle Brothers
Straight Outta Compton by N.W.A.

It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy
The Great Adventures of Slick Rick by Slick Rick
Critical Beatdown by Ultramagnetic MCs
No One Can Do It Better by The D.O.C.

Grip It! On That Other Level by Geto Boys
People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm by A Tribe Called Quest

One For All by Brand Nubian
Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em by Eric B. & Rakim
AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted by Ice Cube
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Breaking Atoms by Main Source
The Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul Is Dead by De La Soul
Death Certificate by Ice Cube
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The Chronic by Dr. Dre

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Doggystyle by Snoop Doggy Dogg

Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) by Wu-Tang Clan
Illmatic by Nas
Ready to Die by The Notorious B.I.G.
The Diary by Scarface
The Infamous by Mobb Deep
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx by Raekwon
Me Against the World by 2Pac
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The Score by The Fugees
Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z
All Eyez on Me by 2Pac
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Life After Death by The Notorious B.I.G.
Aquemini by Outkast
The Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre

Stillmatic by Nas
The Blueprint by Jay-Z
The Fix by Scarface
The Naked Truth by Lil Kim


Thereīs 5 votes each and you can change your vote if you want

I trimed the list down from the previous poll to the ones that got at least 3 votes,hereīs the previous poll;
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The Lady Of Rage; Neccessary Roughness    0 (0%)
pharcyde-bizarre ride to the pharcyde    4 (0.8%)
Ice Cube; Predator    7 (1.5%)
Xzibit; At The Speed Of Lif    7 (1.5%)
ATL- Uncle Sams Curse    10 (2.1%)
BG Knocc Out & Dresta- Real Brothas    11 (2.3%)
Eazy-E- Its On    5 (1.1%)
Eazy-E- Str8 Off The Streetz Of Muthaphuckkin Compton    4 (0.8%)
Kokane- Funk Upon A Rhyme    3 (0.6%)
K-Dee- Ass, Gas, Or Cash    0 (0%)
MC Ren- Shock Of The Hour    1 (0.2%)
NWA- Niggaz4Life    30 (6.3%)
Suga Free- Street Gospel    5 (1.1%)
Twinz- Conversation    7 (1.5%)
Warren G- Regulate.. G Funk Era    40 (8.4%)
Westside Connection- Bow Down    23 (4.9%)
Lil Chill - Aint No Luv Lost    0 (0%)
C-Funk - 3D Ear Pleasure    0 (0%)
Royal T - Coast 2 Coast    0 (0%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Season of the Siccness    13 (2.7%)
Brotha Lynch Hung - Loaded    1 (0.2%)
X Raided - Xorcist    1 (0.2%)
Mr. Doctor - Setripn Bloccstyle    0 (0%)
Young Lay - Black N Dangerous    0 (0%)
Mac Mall - Untouchable    2 (0.4%)
Ray Luv - Forever Hustlin    1 (0.2%)
Dru Down - Can You Feel Me    2 (0.4%)
G~Mo - Ballin 4 Life    0 (0%)
Mausberg - Non Fiction    2 (0.4%)
11/5 - Fiendin 4 the Funk    1 (0.2%)
Dre Dog - I Hate You With A Passion    4 (0.8%)
Mass 187 - Real Trues Paying Dues    0 (0%)
C Bo - Tales From the Crypt & Till My Casket Drops    2 (0.4%)
E~40 - In a Major Way    3 (0.6%)
G.L.P. - Straight Out the Labb    0 (0%)
Spice 1 - Amerikkka's Nightmare    7 (1.5%)
Spice 1 1990-Sick    0 (0%)
Spice 1 187 He Wrote.    5 (1.1%)
G-Ism - On A Mission    0 (0%)
Warren G - G Funk Era    8 (1.7%)
Thug Life-Talez, Volume 1    2 (0.4%)
Warren G-take a look over your shoulder    0 (0%)
Ras Kass - Soul On Ice    6 (1.3%)
Above The Law - Black Mafia Life    3 (0.6%)
Quik - Safe & Sound    11 (2.3%)
Quik - Rhythm-al-ism    17 (3.6%)
Dogg Pound - Dogg Food    35 (7.4%)
2pac- Better Dayz    1 (0.2%)
Eazy E - Eazy Duz It    11 (2.3%)
Ice-T - Original Gangster    4 (0.8%)
Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill    6 (1.3%)
Cypress Hill - Black Sunday    7 (1.5%)
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha    16 (3.4%)
Xzibit - At the speed of Life    3 (0.6%)
2Pac - R U Still Down    2 (0.4%)
Skee-Lo - I Wish    1 (0.2%)
TQ-They Never Saw Me Coming    4 (0.8%)
TQ-The Second Coming    1 (0.2%)
Potna Deuce - Heron Soup    0 (0%)
Pizzo - Heaterman    0 (0%)
UDI - Drinks on us    0 (0%)
Mafiosos - Fo tha Money    0 (0%)
Xzibit - Restless    6 (1.3%)
The Game - The Documantry    15 (3.2%)
daz dillinger - R.A.W    2 (0.4%)
daz dillinger - retaliation revenge & get back    5 (1.1%)
eastsidaz - duces and trays ...the old fashioned way    2 (0.4%)
Snoop Dogg No Limit Top Dogg    0 (0%)
Snoop Dogg Tha Last Mea    2 (0.4%)
Ice Cube; War & Peace (vol. 2)    0 (0%)
Daz; Retaliation, Revenge & Get Bacc    1 (0.2%)
Dj Quik - Balance & Options    1 (0.2%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel    4 (0.8%)
Nate Dogg - Music and Me    1 (0.2%)
Kokane - Funk Upon a Rhyme    0 (0%)
Soopafly; Dat Whoopty Woop    1 (0.2%)
Ice-t-Power    1 (0.2%)
213-213    1 (0.2%)
Snoop Dogg-R and G    0 (0%)
Dj Quick -Quick is the name    3 (0.6%)
Xzibit-40 dayz and 40 night    4 (0.8%)
N.W.A. -100 miles and running    4 (0.8%)
2nd II None - 220    0 (0%)
Suga Free - Street Gospel    1 (0.2%)
Penthouse Players Clique - Paid The Cost    1 (0.2%)
Snoop Dogg - Doggfather    8 (1.7%)
Rappin' 4 Tay - Don't Fight The Feelin' (She's A Sell Out)    1 (0.2%)
Rappin' 4 Tay - 4 Tay Is Back    0 (0%)
Tha Eastsidaz - Tha Eastsidaz    4 (0.8%)
MC Ren-The Villian in black    1 (0.2%)
cypress hill-temple of boom    6 (1.3%)
the click-game related    1 (0.2%)
luni coleone-total recall    0 (0%)
mac mall-illegal business    4 (0.8%)
n2deep-the golden state    0 (0%)
Lil 1/2 Dead; The Dead Has Arisen    3 (0.6%)
C-Bo & Killa Tay - Moment Of Truth    0 (0%)
Swoop G- Undisputed    0 (0%)
Bad Azz- Word On Tha Streetz    1 (0.2%)
Dj Pooh- Bad News Travelz Fast    1 (0.2%)
Suga Free/Mausberg-  The Konnectid Project    1 (0.2%)
E-40- In A Major Way    5 (1.1%)
E-40-  The Hall Of Game    4 (0.8%)
Too Short- Get In Where U Fit In    12 (2.5%)
Too Short- Gettin It    2 (0.4%)
Too Short- Cocktails    5 (1.1%)
The Twinz- Conversation    0 (0%)
Celly Cel- The G Filez    0 (0%)
Celly Cel- Killa Kali    0 (0%)
Spice 1- The Black Bossalinie    2 (0.4%)
Hieroglyphics-3rd Eye Vision    2 (0.4%)
Brotha Lynch Hung; 24 Deep    1 (0.2%)
BattleCat Gumbo Roots    0 (0%)
Casual Fear Itself    1 (0.2%)
5 Footaz Worldwide    1 (0.2%)
Ant Banks The Big Badass    0 (0%)
Domino Domino    1 (0.2%)
ATL Living Like Hustlers    0 (0%)
Foesum Perfection    6 (1.3%)
Funkdoobiest Which Doobie U Be?    0 (0%)
KAM Made In America    4 (0.8%)
KAM Neva Again    1 (0.2%)
All From Tha I All Frum Tha I    0 (0%)
Mad CJ Mac True Game    0 (0%)
Paris Guerrilla Funk    0 (0%)
SCC South Central Madness    0 (0%)
Sicx Dead4 Life    2 (0.4%)

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Record Report interview with Reginald C. Dennis,Music Editor on how The Source rate records


”Put Ya Mics Where Ya Mouth Is” January 2001 NO.136



Anatomy of a classic album in The Source August 2003 NO.167





95% of these albums are classics. the source was so bias back then.
"Summa y'all #mediocres more worried bout my goings on than u is about ya own.... But that ain't none of my business so.....I'll just #SipTeaForKermit #ifitaintaboutdamoney #2sugarspleaseFollow," - T.I.
 

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dude... you just spammed your whole topic with quotes and images
 

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the predator.... 8)





Ya Boy Is Off The Wall, These Other Niggas Is Titoooo!
 

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What the fuck the Source didnt name Bow Down a classic? That is wack as fuck that was one of the best albums of 95. Do you have the full list that the Source put up as classics?
 

Okka

Too many to name.
 

Okka

Does anybody know how many mics they gave Lil ― Dead's "Dead Has Arisen"?
 

Okka

Does anybody know how many mics they gave Lil ― Dead's "Dead Has Arisen"?

I believe it was 2.5 (I might be wrong though)  ;)

Shieet, you got that magazine the the review is?
 

Okka

probably... you remember when it was released? So I know where to look.  ;)

1994.
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the quik albums, the pharcyde album and eazy e - eazy duz it. love em.

Okka

It's hard to choose just 5 albums. But if i had to, i would go with (from that list):

Snoop Dogg Presents..Tha Eastsidaz
Eazy-E - It's On (Dr. Dre) 187Um Killa
Westside Connection- Bow Down
Tha Dogg Pound - Dogg Food
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha

 

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So what about Warren Gīs; Regulate,The G-Funk Era album?
The Source gave it 3.5/5.... is it a overall classic or just a West Coast classic?


Warren G; Regulate The G-Funk Era review


OVERALL A MOTHERFUCKIN CLASSIC.EVERY BLOODCLAAT TUNE IS FIYAH!!!
 

Okka

You found the magazine with the review of "The Dead Has Arisen"?
 

Okka

Can you check out that Half Dead review? :D
 

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Kurupt; Kuruption review in The Source October 1998 # 109

 

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2 Bloodclaat Much 2 Name..Dope Ass Thread. ;)
 

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chad u got g funk era up there twice