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first off, Angle is a real dope track


so I decided to check out the sample behind the track and Kanye did almost NOTHING to the beat, just copied 99% of it and looped it.  Nigga did nothing creatively just slapped his name on someone's creative work and called it a day


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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 01:27:49 PM »
I see what you're saying but I can hear what he added.
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 01:28:54 PM »
i actually have the original song (gil scott heron 'angel dust') on cd kanye added some slight shit. not mad at his sample choice though.
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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 01:30:07 PM »
i actually have the original song (gil scott heron 'angel dust') on cd kanye added some slight shit. not mad at his sample choice though.



he added a few small details, but what did he really do?  Just chose someone else dope beat and remaster it?
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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 01:40:04 PM »
track's called "Angel" BTW.
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 02:02:05 PM »
He did the same shit with "Touch The Sky".  Straight jacked one of my all time curtis mayfield joints - Move On Up
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 02:03:55 PM »
shit daft punk, they're electro and their lazy sampling is even more flagrant than kanye.
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 02:06:08 PM »
dj dmd .. version of this goes hard..

alot of people done used the song ..and didnt change.. why change perfection...

 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 03:08:07 PM »
anyone else used this sample in rap?


http://www.zshare.net/audio/18087692d4203aac/

this is from a B.G. mixtape a few years back featuring Redman
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 04:04:14 PM »
He did the same shit with "Touch The Sky".  Straight jacked one of my all time curtis mayfield joints - Move On Up
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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2008, 04:26:48 PM »
dj dmd .. version of this goes hard..

alot of people done used the song ..and didnt change.. why change perfection...



Ehh........

It's a hard debate. In a way, it's like yeah, why change perfection...but then, it's like damm...some songs will really just take a simple loop and change like 5-10% of it, and everyone talks about how great of a producer they are...while others spend countless hours to perfect beats they created.

A LOT of songs are like this....this isn't the same. Cube's "It was a good day" is a COMPLETE loop from the Isleys, and the only thing added was the female's voice on there. Kanye also "produced" the "Summertime" song on 213, which was a complete loop from one of the Jacksons that he just sped up a bit.

I do think it's a bit suspect...sampling can be a very creative art, but sometimes, I feel like fans and even other producers give TOO MUCH credit when the producer didn't do shit but loop part of a song that someone spent hours on mixing, recording, and paying real musicians to play.


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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2008, 04:45:01 PM »
Dr. Dre is guilty of that many times
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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2008, 09:35:43 PM »
dj dmd .. version of this goes hard..

alot of people done used the song ..and didnt change.. why change perfection...



Ehh........

It's a hard debate. In a way, it's like yeah, why change perfection...but then, it's like damm...some songs will really just take a simple loop and change like 5-10% of it, and everyone talks about how great of a producer they are...while others spend countless hours to perfect beats they created.

A LOT of songs are like this....this isn't the same. Cube's "It was a good day" is a COMPLETE loop from the Isleys, and the only thing added was the female's voice on there. Kanye also "produced" the "Summertime" song on 213, which was a complete loop from one of the Jacksons that he just sped up a bit.

I do think it's a bit suspect...sampling can be a very creative art, but sometimes, I feel like fans and even other producers give TOO MUCH credit when the producer didn't do shit but loop part of a song that someone spent hours on mixing, recording, and paying real musicians to play.



yeah its cus those songs are classic and when you hear a rapper it feels fucking good.
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2008, 10:33:45 PM »
Kanye always does it, just listen to Takeover sample



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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 02:05:33 AM »
man that ain;t nothing new to hip-hop.Audio Two really did almost NOTHING to Curtis' Freddie's Dead on Many Styles (1988), and it's still a classic song from one of the 80's best hip-hop duos

and btw that ANgel Dust song is amazingg.That's the 3rd Gil Scott song I've heard so far, and I've really been quite fond of his music.

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2008, 02:43:10 PM »
but the thing is, Kanye going to get 100% of the credit for that beat


when I first heard the Angel track, I was like "Damn, this shit is dope as fukk  8)", but how many people are really going to take it a step further and check for the sample
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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2008, 04:04:12 PM »
I think that finding an unkown song and turning it into a hit, deserves some credit. For example, I've always liked the Doors' "Five to One" before Kanye did "Takeover". I never would have thought that it would one day be sampled for a rap song. But, Kanye recognized the potential, and used it, where other producers might not have. Oh and by the way, EPMD's "You Gots to Chill" is a fuckin classic track in the truest essence of the word, and that was nothing more than a slowed down loop with some scratching.
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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2008, 04:06:44 PM »
Congruent angles
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2008, 09:11:49 PM »
my girl calls him a sampling fuck.. with 0% tallent

 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2008, 10:01:23 PM »
Nigga did nothing creatively just slapped his name on someone's creative work and called it a day


That's why he's a genius. To get so much praise with so little talent is an art and Kanye has mastered it.
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2008, 03:06:43 PM »
Nigga did nothing creatively just slapped his name on someone's creative work and called it a day


That's why he's a genius. To get so much praise with so little talent is an art and Kanye has mastered it.


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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2008, 03:22:18 PM »
That Daft Punk robbery..i mean..sample was over the top because of the credit dude gets.  Shit, I think I'm going to start making music.

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2008, 03:59:11 PM »
That Daft Punk robbery..i mean..sample was over the top because of the credit dude gets.

That's a sample of a sample. Edwin Birdsong - "Cola Bottle Baby" is the original track.
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2008, 03:21:43 AM »
dude who gives a fuck??? seriously man, he sampled an old assed track which was dope, we wouldnt otherwise hear the shit... it also adds a modern spin on it...

if anyone can do it, why dont they? he's still a producer... for fucks sake some peeps are narrow minded!!!
 

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Re: This sampling shit in hi hop has gone too far (Angle prod. by Kanye West)
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2008, 05:07:58 AM »
the worst sample (best in a way of course) was either Gz N Hustlaz or Nuthin But A G Thang