Author Topic: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?  (Read 1457 times)

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2008, 12:19:49 AM »
thats what i've been saying dawg...I can't stand it when i ask an iranian person where they're from and they say"I'm persian"...which isn't answering the question...I said...where r u FROM...the answer should be a location...not an ethnicity muhfuckazzz...most IRANIANS say that they're persian because it sounds better and less threatening than iranian...like iran is a"TERRORIST" country or some shit...pfffwww...

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That's kind of how I see it.  They shouldn't be ashamed to be from Iran though.  A lot of people are really interested to meet, get to know, and be friends with an Iranian.  They shouldn't assume everyone just thinks they are a terrorist or something.  It's usually the opposite that people are curious and would like to know more about them.  So it's better to open up. 

And Iranians should be proud that their country hasn't bent over and taken it in the ass from America like some other countries have.
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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2008, 01:51:09 AM »
Ok well thanks to old dirty ass tech for clearing that up + 1 nigga.

That being said I wish more Iranians would identify themselves as such, and not some vague majestic sounding term out of shame and self image problems.

Rich Iranian style sounds like some sick Ghostface Killah line where as, "Oh, I'm from a wealthy Persian family" just makes you sound like a whitewashed upper middle class loser.

Shout out to my Iranians..

I will be in Fresno this weekend (huge Armenian community, half cousins) and would love to shoot the shit and see where they stand on that...
 

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2008, 04:10:36 AM »
Persians are my niggas.
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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2008, 06:50:30 AM »
It's not that big of a deal... SOmetimes Ill say Persian, sometimes Iranian. Never gave it that much thought lol, nohing to do with pride or shame or anything...
 

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2008, 10:08:24 AM »
there are multiple reasons for that:

1) we get faster through western security at airports, and also attract western bitches a lot easier.

2) it sounds more positive like the the Prince of Persia, unlike Iran, which is immediately associated with NUKES/WAR/HATE OF THE US/TERRORISM for you.

3) we've been called Persians since a couple of thousands of years ago, and only Iranian since less than 75 years.

4) technically both terms are officially accepted to refer to the country, but Iran is often used only for the country itself, while the term Persia refers to the culture, race, etc...
 

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2008, 10:10:37 AM »
Not to mention that the term "Persian" is non existent in Farsi.

The language is Farsi, the land Pars, the people Aryan.

The term IS existant: It's Parsi, with a P. But because of the fucking Arabic influence the P changed in an F.
 

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2008, 10:19:02 AM »
Not to mention that the term "Persian" is non existent in Farsi.

The language is Farsi, the land Pars, the people Aryan.

The term IS existant: It's Parsi, with a P. But because of the fucking Arabic influence the P changed in an F.
already taken care of son...

Not to mention that the term "Persian" is non existent in Farsi.

The language is Farsi, the land Pars, the people Aryan.
word son...
well its actually parsi...with a p...not farsi...
 

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2008, 10:21:05 AM »
This is a very tricky situation

Iran refers to a country, and every citizen of Iran is called an Iranian

Iranians however refer to themselves as Persian which is the name of the ancient empire. But its actually a mistake, an attempt to monopolize the use of that term

not true, it is absolutely NOT a mistake: In the outside world, the official name of Iran from the 6th century BC until 1935 was Persia or similar foreign language translations (La Perse, Das Persien, Perzie, etc.). In that year, Reza Shah asked the international community to call the country by the name "Iran". A few years later, some Persian scholars protested to the government that changing the name had separated the country from its past, so in 1959 Mohammad Reza Shah announced that both terms could officially be used interchangeably.

If we use the Persian empire as a barometer of what is considered a Persian, then Azeris, Armenians (who actually speak an ancient Persian language), Kurds, Iranians, Tajiks and Pashtuns are considered Persians because these peoples lands made up the Persian empire. Plus the intermingling of Parthian, Scythian and Medes genes plus to some extent semetic on the western part and dravidian on the eastern part.

Well, then you should NOT use it as a barometer, otherwise, even Egyptians and Ethiopians would be considered Persians.

If we use the Indo Iranian linguistic group as the barometer for Persians, then we include Pakistanis and Balotch

Technically the most correct interpretation would be that all Persian speakers can be considered Persian. But Farsi is the official language in Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Tajiks infact means eastern Iranians, usually Sunni Muslim.

But when an Afghan Farsi speaker (not Pashtun cuz we would never claim persian) claims to be Persian, he is made fun of for being a wannabe. But then an Azeri or Turkic descended Iranian can claim Persian? Makes no sense.

They are not made fun of as much as you might think

Many of the Persian empires notables, warriors and poets came from modern day Afghanistan like Balkhi, Rumi and Jalaludin Afghani.

What is this supposed to mean? When they want independence then they're like "Ow were not Iranian, were Afghans!!" but when we talk about these great men, then they're suddenly all Persians? Fuck that

 

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2008, 11:02:35 AM »
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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2008, 11:22:18 AM »
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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 07:23:39 PM »
King Tech suck a cock.

not enought Peerrrrzzian cock suckers in Tehrangelis for ya?
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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2008, 07:27:52 PM »
Professor, it seems like u missed my point

my point is that the term Persian is not solely reflective of Iranians. Tajiks and some Afghans are just as Persian as Iranians, but there are some Iranians who are dismissive of non Iranians as Persians. So I pointed out examples of Persian notables who are claimed by Iranians as Persians, but others from the same place are not

Comprende?>

Btw, can you provide proof that the term Persian exists in Farsi?....Because I will stand corrected if you do. I have never heard anyone say MA PERSIAN ASTOM..SHUMA PERSIAN ASTEE. ETC
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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2008, 07:55:32 PM »
i dont know why but this puta is holding it down when it comes to persion/iranian porn:

http://www.tube8.com/teen/persia-teen-squirter/29994/

That was fantastic in every way
 

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2008, 11:01:41 AM »
Professor, it seems like u missed my point

my point is that the term Persian is not solely reflective of Iranians. Tajiks and some Afghans are just as Persian as Iranians, but there are some Iranians who are dismissive of non Iranians as Persians. So I pointed out examples of Persian notables who are claimed by Iranians as Persians, but others from the same place are not

Comprende?>

Btw, can you provide proof that the term Persian exists in Farsi?....Because I will stand corrected if you do. I have never heard anyone say MAN PERSIAN HASTAM..SHUMA PERSIAN HASTEED. ETC

I understand what you were trying to say, but the way you wrote it might have been misinterpreted by other readers.

Nomenclature

Persian, the more widely used name of the language in English, is an Anglicized form derived from Latin *Persianus < Latin Persia < Greek Πέρσις Pérsis, a Hellenized form of Old Persian Parsa. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term Persian seems to have been first used in English in the mid-16th century.[9] Native Persian speakers call it "Fārsi" (local name) or Parsi. Farsi is the arabicized form of Parsi, due to a lack of the /p/ phoneme in Standard Arabic.


- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language

Fars is the original homeland of the Persian people. The native name of the Persian language is Fârsi or Pârsi. Persia and Persian both derive from the Hellenized form Πέρσις Persis of the root word Pârs. The Old Persian word was Pârsâ.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fars_province

btw I am Persian, but from the way you wrote that sentence I think you aren't lol...jk homie...where you from??
 

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Re: Why do so many Iranians identify themselves as "Persian"?
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2008, 11:14:34 AM »
Professor, it seems like u missed my point

my point is that the term Persian is not solely reflective of Iranians. Tajiks and some Afghans are just as Persian as Iranians, but there are some Iranians who are dismissive of non Iranians as Persians. So I pointed out examples of Persian notables who are claimed by Iranians as Persians, but others from the same place are not

Comprende?>

Btw, can you provide proof that the term Persian exists in Farsi?....Because I will stand corrected if you do. I have never heard anyone say MAN PERSIAN HASTAM..SHUMA PERSIAN HASTEED. ETC

I understand what you were trying to say, but the way you wrote it might have been misinterpreted by other readers.

Nomenclature

Persian, the more widely used name of the language in English, is an Anglicized form derived from Latin *Persianus < Latin Persia < Greek Πέρσις Pérsis, a Hellenized form of Old Persian Parsa. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term Persian seems to have been first used in English in the mid-16th century.[9] Native Persian speakers call it "Fārsi" (local name) or Parsi. Farsi is the arabicized form of Parsi, due to a lack of the /p/ phoneme in Standard Arabic.


- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language

Fars is the original homeland of the Persian people. The native name of the Persian language is Fârsi or Pârsi. Persia and Persian both derive from the Hellenized form Πέρσις Persis of the root word Pârs. The Old Persian word was Pârsâ.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fars_province

btw I am Persian, but from the way you wrote that sentence I think you aren't lol...jk homie...where you from??

Your assumption is right.

Ma Irani nestom. Afghan astom. Pashtun to be exact. Kamak farsi yad gereftem, kho Farsi E Afghanistan hast. Its more "Kitabi" than the Iranian farsi. Maybe that explains the slight differences in pronounciation.
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