Anybody watch the Palin/Biden debate?

[Mr. O]

It was a lot better then the Obama/McCain debate. Nothing surprising was said though. When Palin couldn't/wouldn't answer a question she would just talk about something else a lot of the time. It's obvious though who would make the better VP, Biden has all the life experience Palin has, plus decades more of actual experience.

check out myspace.com.  There are bunch of "I know all shit" people in there saying palin won when he ripped biden in half saying she'll rematch or some shit like that...

[Low Key]

who really is out of touch with America?

The way I see it is, who's got the most to lose. Biden, and Obama both have 1 house, 1 car, and make around 300,000 a year. McCain owns 11 houses, multiple cars, and is worth a few hundred million. Biden and Obama are more like the everyday Americans, except they happen to be educated. The thing about Middle America is, many are not educated, and don't vote for the intellectual person. They vote to someone they can relate too, stupid, gun loving, religious, and very 100 year old value orientated. Someone just like them. Why do the educated candidates do better in large population centers? Obama will win the popular vote. Just because he doesn't appeal to rural areas full off uneducated, assault rifle owning hicks, doesn't mean hes out of touch. Not to mention the blatant ignorance and racism of many rural communities who won't vote for a black person, or think he's a muslim. America is backwards, an Atheist will never get elected. They'd rather elect a fundamentalist like Bush. Are the candidates backwards, or is American backwards?

If the democrats really want a chance at winning this and future elections, they should reexamine either the way they go about conveying their opinions, or just plain change them altogether. I know, I know, it's all Bush's fault we are in this mess. I hear it all of the time, but I also know whatever he wants to do also must go through the house and the senate, both of which tend to sway to the opposite side of whoever is office at the time.

Obama's change really means is, make the changes the rest of Europe and Canada made 20 years ago. America isn't ranked #1 in health care, education, standard of living, employment, energy, etc. Liberalism spread through the rest of the western world long ago. America is in the back seat, they think their great, why change? It's patriotism over common sense. Like the word "Socialism", it's a bad thing in American, but the status quo everywhere else.

Can you honestly say, policy wise, McCain would be better then Obama? Obama talks about change, but he assumes people are intelligent and informed enough to know what he's talking about. His policies are all "change" policies, as most are the opposite of the current policies.

As far as I'm concerned, neither presidential candidate or their VP counterparts are the best their parties have to offer and is basically a waste of my time, but how can the dems on this board be so enthralled by the idiots your party is backing? I just don't get it.

Idiots? How is Joe Bidden, or Obama an idiot? Harvard grads are suddenly idiots in this country. Biden, a professor and 30 year Senator speaks with no substance? Someone who's wife and kids were killed in a car accident, isn't worthy of your vote or respect? I have no idea how people can call intelligent, highly educated people, idiots. Sure they need to dumb it down to appeal to everyday people. What do they say that's so stupid? Palin, sure, she says really idiotic things. McCain lies. Biden exaggerates. Obama is idealistic. So is every politician. No politician meets you're ideal. Not one. Even the great Ron Paul says stupid things. You want something that doesn't, and will never exist.

These people aren't perfect, and yet you expect them to be. You'll never be happy with any candidate. No candidate in the history of man-kind would meet you're criteria.

Don't give me that bullshit about how I am insensitive to Biden's plight when I call him an idiot. It's very unfortunate his family was killed and I feel sorry for him, but that doesn't make what he says any less full of shit, and it certainly doesn't mean I must vote for him. How ridiculously absurd. You, just like every other dem I have had a conversation with, reaches beyond the stars and misconstrues my words to fit their argument. But that is beside the point.

I don't need the perfect candidate, but I want better options than Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin. I want a candidate that doesn't lie, cheat, and steal his was to the white house. I may not agree with their policies, but at least my tax money will be spent without me having to worry about how much of my hard earned money is going into their pockets. You have no idea what I want or who I support, so stop speaking on shit you don't know. It insults my intelligence.

And speaking of intelligence, just because Obama and Biden are Harvard grads does not mean, in any way whatsoever, they suddenly hold the key to a better way of living. There are plenty of Ivy League grads who I would have a hard time trusting if I borrowed them $20, let alone with the responsibility of running a country. Level of education holds no bearing on where a person's morals lie. In fact, it would be quite easy for me to say that those who have been to prestigious schools only learn the best way to pull the wool over our eyes, because the professors themselves at those universities are very liberal. That is why politicians lie and yet they still get elected and why corporations have run this economy into the ground by cooking the books and modifying their financial reports to seem more successful than they really are. And sure, a lot of the rural populace relies on an old world way of thinking, but guess what, the rural populace is what keeps America running. Without them, this country might as well be Liberia. I'm sorry if this is a shock for you, but it is true.

Nowhere in my post did I say McCain's policies would be better for this country. If you had accurately read what I wrote, you would have realized that I believe both parties picked the wrong candidate. If it's change this country needs, taxing the shit out of the people will not change a damn thing, and that is exactly what Obama wants to do. He is a carbon copy of Jimmy Carter, who, not but 30 years ago, almost destroyed this country. THAT is why I called him an idiot and THAT is why I don't understand why you guys hang on his every word like it is the meaning of life.

Just because the rest of the western world has adopted a certain way of thinking doesn't mean it is right for America. Everyone wants to compare America to Europe, but we don't have several countries bordering us, which adds to the tourism and the money in which the government has to spend. WE must rely on OURSELVES, not to mention pay for the tens of millions of illegal immigrants who obviously think America is pretty great. The fact that we are lacking in education, health care, etc. is primarily because of earmarks politicans add on to bills which squander tax money on worthless projects instead of actually paying for things this country needs. Politicians would rather spend millions in taxes to improve their own quality of life rather than the American citizens'. Oh geez, Obama and Biden only own one car and one house? How about John Kerry who owns 5 mansions worth almost $30mil? Or maybe we should look at Mr. Global Warming himself, Al Gore, who uses almost twice as much power in a month than the average household uses in an entire year. You can say what you want how the dems are looking out for the common people, but that is so far from the truth, it's disgusting. I'm not saying republicans are any better, but don't look at your party with rose colored glasses.




Edited for grammar and spelling.

[Low Key]

Now, I am very independent. I believe practically everyone who is elected to their position in politics is crooked as hell, but I must ask the democrats on this board, given the facts I just posted, who really is out of touch with America? Seems to me as if all of these ideals this country apparently should have, according to the blue, is not the way the people want it. All I keep hearing from Obama is change this and change that, but it's pretty much the same old crap I have heard before. If the democrats really want a chance at winning this and future elections, they should reexamine either the way they go about conveying their opinions, or just plain change them altogether. I know, I know, it's all Bush's fault we are in this mess. I hear it all of the time, but I also know whatever he wants to do also must go through the house and the senate, both of which tend to sway to the opposite side of whoever is office at the time.

Palin may be a backwater woman from Buttfuck, USA, who is too far right for my taste, but Biden is a complete tool who speaks with no substance and likes to exaggerate or flat out lie as he goes along. As far as I'm concerned, neither presidential candidate or their VP counterparts are the best their parties have to offer and is basically a waste of my time, but how can the dems on this board be so enthralled by the idiots your party is backing? I just don't get it.

If you look at the history of the United States, every 30-40 years, we have a "change" election. In 1932, we had FDR defeat Hoover, and then change the way the US took in politics as we went from liberatarianism Republican to New Deal Democrats, that's quite a shift. In 1968 we had a change election that ended 36 years of a Democrat majority and put in a Republican president, who was actually Republican. Eisenhower by today's standards would be a flaming liberal. In these election periods, the majority party enjoys huge victories and controls what middle American thinks. Even Bill Clinton, only the third 2nd term Democrat since Lincoln took control for the Republicans in 1860,  declared the Era of Big Government is Over. The period of 1968-2008 is the era of the Neo-Conservative movement. It's height was the presidency of Ronald Reagan, and the proof was the presidency of Bill Clinton. George Bush, just like LBJ was for the New Deal era for the Democrats, will be the downfall of this era. But just because Barack Obama is the one elected in this change year, doesn't mean he'll define it. Look for the current Republican party to fall apart in the upcoming years and just like the 70's when the dove liberals took the Democrats, look for the different factions of the Republican party to fight for control. The Ron Paul Republicans might take the party in the upcoming years.

Clinton was elected in '92 because he is very charismatic. He was reelected in '96 because the opposition was Bob Dole. My gay neighbor would have won against Bob Dole. But you are absolutely right on the money when you say this is a change year, but it all depends on how our country changes. Perhaps that just means the country is trying to redefine how the respective parties thinks rather than who is in charge. Whether or not Obama or McCain crashes and burns will remain to be seen. I was talking with my coworker about what the next president has to deal with, and she said whomever it is will more than likely be seen as a failure given the circumstances they are taking on, and I wholeheartedly agree. Because of that, if Obama is elected, the country might very well go right back to electing republicans into office. If it's McCain, this country might turn democrat for the next couple of decades. It all depends and time will be the test.

[jeromechickenbone]

I would have watched but I didn't want to vomit on my television

[Matty]

neither of them are that great but lol @ palin with her own idea of responsing to the questions. she kept brushing the questions aside and saying ok now im gonna talk about this issue....etc....

[penenstamp]

Could someone hook up an mp3 of the debate?

[Javier]

It was a lot better then the Obama/McCain debate. Nothing surprising was said though. When Palin couldn't/wouldn't answer a question she would just talk about something else a lot of the time. It's obvious though who would make the better VP, Biden has all the life experience Palin has, plus decades more of actual experience.

Unfortunately Biden's experience is filled with numerous mistakes. Voting against the original Iraq war in 1991, voting for the current Iraq war, voting against the surge, wanting to divide up Iraq into shia, sunni, and Kurdish sections, etc.

Every network right now is calling Palin the winner of the debate, even MSNBC which is the most left wing American news channel.

hahahaha

[adamanthraxe]

I find it hard to take PALIN serious whenever shes being interviewed or asked questions. She hardly ever actually answers the questions, and if she does she rambles on about nothing before finally finding a half ass answer. Its embarassing to AMERICA that shes even this close to being a potential VP.

Biden ripped her in this debate. All she did was speak like shes from an old FOLK story and do her cute lil winks ever now and then.

[Mr. O]

^^^LOL are you cereal? That bitch is a moose in the headlights when they ask her anything. She just goes on with a bunch of incoherent, non sequiturial ramblings most of the time. How the fuck is Bobby's mom from Bobby's World even this close to the presidency? Its fuckin amazing.

She's getting media attention...and that basically or almost sums it up.