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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2008, 04:48:49 PM »
from an outside type of view, just from living in the hood before and living in the hood now in London, UK, ain't there too many street issues that come into it when trying to bring so many people together to make that positive bread, especially in cali, but everywhere is the same you know, i just feel like its a good idea but you have to get like minded individuals who already have money on a big boy level to get that to pop off

plus i tried to get a record label wit my own distribution company on and poppin way back in the day, but came over so many obstacles over here in the UK and i'm not trying to get in the music bizness or anything like that anymore, truss me on that, i've moved off that time ago, but i know just like over here, only a few labels control the distribution shit in the States and its just like the streets, they ain't letting no one easily just get into the game and take food off there plate, truss and you can't get all grimey, and switch on them and get all gooney goon on them, trust me on that, that won't work wit these squares either, for real, its fucked up

only if the big dogs wit money, the real ones, only if the real ones wit bread could see the bigger picture and team up and put street allegiances to the side and link up and create a black super label or distribution company it would be a beautiful revolutionary thing, truss

and it can be done, you just have to look at how og's get down in chi-town, thats like a next cali, wit all the street crews, black crews, latino crews, white crews, but they all put that shit on to the side on most cases to link up as super crews to get that money, folk nation, people nation, you see what i'm saying, thats in the streets, now why can't human being brothers and sisters, the real ones, no corny niggas, that always put a spanner in the work, do that shit on a music level, thats what i'm talking about, truss, thats the way i see it, real talk
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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2008, 04:57:35 PM »
LOL, WELL GET MY NEW SHIT DISKO "TURNT UP" ITS A BANGER, I PROMISE!!!  8)

SEE YOU HAVE TO CREATE HYPE, NIGGAZ DONT KNOW HOW TO CREATE HYPE, WHEN GAME CAME OUT ON GUNIT, THE HYPE SURROUNDING THAT WAS PERFECT, GAME COULD HAVE SOLD PLATINUM OFF HYPE, I DIDNT HEAR HIM RAP, BUT I KNEW ABOUT HIM, IF A OLDER CAT JUST CO-SIGN A NIGGA THAT CREATES HYPE, JUST CO-SIGN, "DRE COULD GO ON 106 AND PARK WHENEVER HE FEELS LIKE IT AND TAKE BISHOP WIT HIM AND TELL THE CROWD WHEN TO BUY HIS ALBUM AND GET THE VIDEO PLAYED THAT HOUR ON BET" LETS SAY BISHOP ALBUM CAME OUT 2 WEEK AFTER THAT,  8) INSTANT HYPE!!!!!!!!! COPIES SOLD, AT LEAST 250,000, THEN DO THE SAME FOR NIPSEY AND PROB, ...................................I GET IT!!!, TO BAD DRE OR SNOOP DONT






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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2008, 07:33:23 PM »
SEE YOU HAVE TO CREATE HYPE, NIGGAZ DONT KNOW HOW TO CREATE HYPE, WHEN GAME CAME OUT ON GUNIT, THE HYPE SURROUNDING THAT WAS PERFECT, GAME COULD HAVE SOLD PLATINUM OFF HYPE, I DIDNT HEAR HIM RAP, BUT I KNEW ABOUT HIM, IF A OLDER CAT JUST CO-SIGN A NIGGA THAT CREATES HYPE, JUST CO-SIGN, "DRE COULD GO ON 106 AND PARK WHENEVER HE FEELS LIKE IT AND TAKE BISHOP WIT HIM AND TELL THE CROWD WHEN TO BUY HIS ALBUM AND GET THE VIDEO PLAYED THAT HOUR ON BET" LETS SAY BISHOP ALBUM CAME OUT 2 WEEK AFTER THAT,  8) INSTANT HYPE!!!!!!!!! COPIES SOLD, AT LEAST 250,000, THEN DO THE SAME FOR NIPSEY AND PROB, ...................................I GET IT!!!, TO BAD DRE OR SNOOP DONT

Not that simple. It might look like from that perspective but it's not like Dre ain't co-signed a dude and had him go nowhere. Dre was a big part of Game getting over but there were a lot of other things too. If you look at the artists that have blown up on Aftermath (50, Eminem, Game), they aren't just great rappers who had Dr. Dre beats. There was a compelling story to go with it. In working with them, Dre has become a bigger name and that is the secret. If you're not bringing something to the table that the consumer can fuck with, it makes the next guy who fucks with you less valuable. People only see things one-sided but when you co-sign a guy, his success falls on your shoulders and people don't wanna hear excuses if the shit is a flop. Look at "The Big Bang". In my opinion, a very underrated album but it doesn't change the public perception involved with it not being up to Dre's standards in terms of how it is received.

The bottom line is a gold album might be the shit to a new artist but you put someone like Dr. Dre's name on it and it's viewed as a disappointment and a slump. Now, what person in their right mind wants to build talent like that? If you're not giving Dre or Snoop the kind of boost that they giving you then it ain't worth it to them and they aren't the only one. The music industry isn't about "who can I help", it's about "who can help me"? Say what you will about Eminem and 50 Cent but they are at least able to create interest in their projects that is not based on Dre's involvement. It's like that old saying about teaching a man to fish instead of giving him one. 
 

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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2008, 07:52:27 PM »
TRUE, BUT IN THAT CASE PEOPLE LIKE NEW FACES, THERE IS NO HYPE TO BE BUILD AROUND BUSTA RYTHMES, I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM BUSTA, WHAT ABOUT A BRAND NEW FACE, ID LIKE TO SEE DRE ON 106 WIT A ARTIST FROM COMPTON THATS UNDER 30 OR 25, OR JUST FROM LA, BUSTA GOT A FANBASE, IT HAS NOTHIN TO DO WIT DRE, IF THE WS LEGENDS PUT TALENT IN THE GAME, IT WOULD STICK, I BET ON IT, WE NEED EXPOSURE FOR NEW ARTIST, NOT YOUTUBE OR MYSPACE, BUT REAL EXPOSURE, GAME IS IN THE GAME, WHY CANT OTHERS?? IT AINT ABOUT RAPPIN OR MUSIC, IM TELLIN YOU

SEE YOU HAVE TO CREATE HYPE, NIGGAZ DONT KNOW HOW TO CREATE HYPE, WHEN GAME CAME OUT ON GUNIT, THE HYPE SURROUNDING THAT WAS PERFECT, GAME COULD HAVE SOLD PLATINUM OFF HYPE, I DIDNT HEAR HIM RAP, BUT I KNEW ABOUT HIM, IF A OLDER CAT JUST CO-SIGN A NIGGA THAT CREATES HYPE, JUST CO-SIGN, "DRE COULD GO ON 106 AND PARK WHENEVER HE FEELS LIKE IT AND TAKE BISHOP WIT HIM AND TELL THE CROWD WHEN TO BUY HIS ALBUM AND GET THE VIDEO PLAYED THAT HOUR ON BET" LETS SAY BISHOP ALBUM CAME OUT 2 WEEK AFTER THAT,  8) INSTANT HYPE!!!!!!!!! COPIES SOLD, AT LEAST 250,000, THEN DO THE SAME FOR NIPSEY AND PROB, ...................................I GET IT!!!, TO BAD DRE OR SNOOP DONT

Not that simple. It might look like from that perspective but it's not like Dre ain't co-signed a dude and had him go nowhere. Dre was a big part of Game getting over but there were a lot of other things too. If you look at the artists that have blown up on Aftermath (50, Eminem, Game), they aren't just great rappers who had Dr. Dre beats. There was a compelling story to go with it. In working with them, Dre has become a bigger name and that is the secret. If you're not bringing something to the table that the consumer can fuck with, it makes the next guy who fucks with you less valuable. People only see things one-sided but when you co-sign a guy, his success falls on your shoulders and people don't wanna hear excuses if the shit is a flop. Look at "The Big Bang". In my opinion, a very underrated album but it doesn't change the public perception involved with it not being up to Dre's standards in terms of how it is received.

The bottom line is a gold album might be the shit to a new artist but you put someone like Dr. Dre's name on it and it's viewed as a disappointment and a slump. Now, what person in their right mind wants to build talent like that? If you're not giving Dre or Snoop the kind of boost that they giving you then it ain't worth it to them and they aren't the only one. The music industry isn't about "who can I help", it's about "who can help me"? Say what you will about Eminem and 50 Cent but they are at least able to create interest in their projects that is not based on Dre's involvement. It's like that old saying about teaching a man to fish instead of giving him one. 

 

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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2008, 09:13:47 PM »
TRUE, BUT IN THAT CASE PEOPLE LIKE NEW FACES, THERE IS NO HYPE TO BE BUILD AROUND BUSTA RYTHMES, I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM BUSTA, WHAT ABOUT A BRAND NEW FACE, ID LIKE TO SEE DRE ON 106 WIT A ARTIST FROM COMPTON THATS UNDER 30 OR 25, OR JUST FROM LA, BUSTA GOT A FANBASE, IT HAS NOTHIN TO DO WIT DRE, IF THE WS LEGENDS PUT TALENT IN THE GAME, IT WOULD STICK, I BET ON IT, WE NEED EXPOSURE FOR NEW ARTIST, NOT YOUTUBE OR MYSPACE, BUT REAL EXPOSURE, GAME IS IN THE GAME, WHY CANT OTHERS?? IT AINT ABOUT RAPPIN OR MUSIC, IM TELLIN YOU

But I feel like it requires more than just that. I will agree that Dre being active in the promotion is a must when it comes to his artists but him just going on BET, MTV, or wherever and introducing a new artist is not enough to blow up the talent. More so, I think it comes down to the movements as well. There isn't a very active West Coast movement at the moment. Xzibit's situation as far as branching out with his own artists, groups, seemed to fall through before it really had a chance. Game's Black Wallstreet scenerio is still uncertain in terms of who the next one to blow up is. It takes a lot of time to properly build up new stars and relying on two or three people to hold up a Coast is counterproductive. The biggest thing I see with these veterans mentoring the younger talent is when the paths seperate, people are more interested in pushing for more songs from the two than in looking at what the younger guy is doing with others. 
 

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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2008, 02:11:15 AM »
+1 to Jimmy H. for really good talk.
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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2008, 06:25:55 AM »
Mostly true but what I've seen these last two years with Damizza, Dae One, Bishop, Taje etc.. they all work together really well and put out damn good albums.. which they have been putting out for free.. and with ALL of them I would have bought them.

I'm not sure if I would support it since these guys all support mixtape DJ's.
 

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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2008, 08:02:33 PM »
+1 to Jimmy H. for really good talk.
 

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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2008, 08:27:57 PM »
+1 to Jimmy H. for really good talk.
 

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Re: What would it take...
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2008, 09:49:07 PM »
real hardcore hip hop like this kurupt. westcoast shit.. shouldent be.. measured by album sales... especially in the hundreds of thousands.. becasue if we do that it means hip hop is dead... a rapin 4 tay or mc eiht is lucky if they do 10 20k in sales.... in my opinion.. this shit we listen to is finished before it gets started... i will always surport it but these cats wont sell in the current enviroment... the pop scene and the mainstreem scene requires to much that some of these west cats just cant do.... take TI for example i wouldent ever buy his shit ever... id rather get the new scc shit but my girl on the other hand is all over it... what im sayin is he applies to a wider audiance.... this shit we listen to is kinda "private"... i mean you could roll on any stranger in the world and talk about 50 cent.. but if you walk up 2 a stanger and start talking about the new cold 187 shit its not gonna compute...

for the west to be big again its gotta sell out in a big way.. down the same road with that sexual seduction snoop bullshit... he really went away from hip hop with it... well it wasent hip hop not one bit... and he was on oprah and shit makin $$ getti nradio and video on a global scale...... bottom line if u pushin a hardcore line u aint gonna get a check from a big lable...