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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2010, 01:56:48 PM »
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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2010, 09:06:49 AM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/jAv_P2Z-5LU" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/jAv_P2Z-5LU</a>


Probally the most ov4erused sample in hip hop.

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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2010, 09:11:04 AM »
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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2010, 05:31:58 PM »
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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2010, 07:17:08 PM »
props to prominent and notorious, didn;t know that aesop and del song uses the same sample as crack a bottle.Personally, I don't mind Dre sampling it, always nice to see how he flips samples

Del rips it


Dre didn't flip or sample anything. He never has. He's not a sampler. He uses a studio band to replay the music from the original and the musicians put their spin on it and Dre gives the thumbs up when he likes what he hears.


Anyway, how come nobody listed Labi Siffre "I Got The"?

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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2010, 12:34:29 AM »
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments
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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2010, 08:48:25 AM »
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
 

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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2010, 10:24:47 AM »
KEEP IT MOVING!!!

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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2010, 11:40:20 AM »
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik
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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2010, 03:38:18 PM »
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
 

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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2010, 03:26:22 PM »


sample:  Bob James - Sign of the Times (1981)


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sample:  Bob James - Look Alike (1979)


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sample:  The O'Jays - What Am I Waiting For (1975)


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sample:  The O'Jays - Who Am I (1972)


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sample:  The O'Jays - Give The People What They Want (1975)


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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2010, 02:32:44 AM »
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other
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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2010, 08:12:46 AM »
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other


I just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not.

I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.

Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.

There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.
 

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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2010, 08:19:11 AM »
^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments


Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.
Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?
well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other


I just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not.

I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.

Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.

There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.
I can agree with that
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Re: 2 songs, 1 sample...
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2010, 03:04:18 PM »
OutKast - Return of the "G"

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J Dilla - Phantom of the Synths

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DOOM spitting over the Dilla beat at 1:20:

DOOM - Gazillion Ear

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and finally the original sample:

Giorgio Moroder - Theme From Midnight Express

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