2 songs, 1 sample...

[Dre-Day]

^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments

Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.

Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?

well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other

I just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not.

I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.

Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.

There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.

he IS a composer, you can't deny that.
just like his name is Andre Young.

[NotoriousTDA]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/_iPMvGnE2DY" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/_iPMvGnE2DY</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/R02S4GCawtE" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/R02S4GCawtE</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gAXAD7ObCZI" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gAXAD7ObCZI</a>

[Shallow]

^^I'm aware that what Dre does is interpolate, I think in that case it's still no wrong to use the word flip about his interpolation of the sample, even if his interpolation means his coaching of the musicians how to play the instruments

Except he rarely does anything with it creatively. It's usually just a simple loop of the song replayed by the studio. What Havoc did with Shook Ones is a flip.

Usually is not always.I agree completely that there are examples of him doing very little with a sample, but there are quite a lot of them proving the opposite

And Havoc is amazing in my eyes.It's just he became rather lackluster after Murda Muzik

I say he does very little with most of the songs he covers. What are the examples?

well, the samples he covers is a different story.Let's say Deez Nuuts, amazing beat to me, and a great flip on the sample, but is it a cover?

He didn't really do much with the Leon Haywood loop for Nuthin But a G Thang.I actually prefer the remix on the Death Row Greatest Hits, and I actually prefer this "flip" on the sample

Let's take the sample from A Bitch Iz A Bitch.I think he did a quite good job replaying it, with a nice little build up during the parts when Cube doesn't have a verse.Premier didn't do that much with the sample on Hardcore Composer either but I don't see people knocking him for it.

Let's take Can't C Me, Let Me Ride (Extended Remix) and What's My Name.Basically the same drum beat/loop but everything else that's going on instumentally is what makes the songs stand out from each other

I just don't think you should use the word flip or sample. There's no sampling going on, and that's why the recreations sound so different. Dre would take a record to the band and say I want you to play this and then the band would play it. Dre doesn't understand musical theory enough to explain how he wants them to play it so he'd probably just have them play it in different keys and tempos until he likes what he hears, and for that he is a great "producer". But too many people are trying to peg him as a composer like he's pulling original music out of his head. He's not.

I used the word cover because when a band plays another band's or artist's song and put their own spin on it's called a cover. So when a studio band plays part of another band's song I'll call that a cover too. Taking different parts from different songs and putting them together to make your own song is nothing new. The Blues was built around that. Jimmy Page made a lot of money doing it. He also took all the credit and got sued a few times because of it. Rightfully so.

Primo is a great DJ and a great sampler, but he's no great composer either. On a lot of beats he does very little with the sample as well.

There's nothing wrong with either approach. Do they take too much credit for work done by others? Yes, but so do movie directors. I just feel like pointing that out when I get the chance. People needed to stop thinking of Dre as a modern Mozart. He's just an updated Jimmy Page, except Jimmy could play music with the best of them.

he IS a composer, you can't deny that.
just like his name is Andre Young.

Fine, great composer. I can hum a tune on the way to the store. I'm a composer. Dre knows a great composition when he hears it but doesn't create one out of thin air. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Dre-Day]

i know what you're trying to say & you're right that Dre often creates music based on other peoples' work (especially in the beginning of his career), but he's still a composer.

[Shallow]

i know what you're trying to say & you're right that Dre often creates music based on other peoples' work (especially in the beginning of his career), but he's still a composer.

Let's compare it to film because I find it the best way to explain what I mean. Dre's best work is like a movie based on a book. Like what Frances Ford Coppola does. He directed the film and even adapted the screenplay but he didn't come up with the story. As opposed to a director like James Cameron who creates the story from scratch, then writes the screenplay, then directs it.

You can't credit Coppola for Sunny getting killed and Michael taking over as head of the family. You can credit Cameron for the paradox that if Kyle Reese was never sent back by John Connor, John Connor never would have been born.

You can't credit Dre with the notes of the piano piece in Still DRE. You can credit him with the idea to highlight them in that key or loop them at the tempo. But not with the musical composition; the writing of the notes.

And that's why I jump into these discussions because too many people think that the piano in DRE, or the guitar in Exxplosive, are creations in the mind of Dre and composed by him. What I'm trying to make everyone I come across understand is they were not born in the mind of Andre Young. He heard it, he liked it, he used it, but he didn't make it from scratch. I don't have a problem with that. I just don't like people thinking he did it.

[Dre-Day]

http://www.answers.com/topic/composer

[Shallow]

http://www.answers.com/topic/composer

One who composes.

Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.

[Cross Em Out]

http://www.answers.com/topic/composer

One who composes.

Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.

most hip hop producers arent composers as they cant play any instruments. Timbaland is notorious for directly ripping off music from foriegn countires, and i was suprised at how many Just Blaze beats were just simple loops with drum beats added underneath

The Neptunes and Organized Noise are dope producers - they dont sample, and play/write everything themselves

[Dre-Day]

http://www.answers.com/topic/composer

One who composes.

Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169127.msg1741475#msg1741475

[Shallow]

http://www.answers.com/topic/composer

One who composes.

Every human being in history as composed something, and composes something everyday. But Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=169127.msg1741475#msg1741475

So what does this show? That Dre composed the notes of a lot of the shit he's released since 2001. Like I said, Dr Dre does not compose the notes his music is famous for.

[NotoriousTDA]

hey remember when this thread was about posting 2 songs that used the same sample?

[Detox Iz Not Active]

how do you post youtube vids?

[NotoriousTDA]

how do you post youtube vids?

click the insert flash option then paste the youtube url in between.

replace the question mark and the equals sign in the url (which is found before and after the v) with the / button.

and then you video with be embedded

[Detox Iz Not Active]

how do you post youtube vids?

click the insert flash option then paste the youtube url in between.

replace the question mark and the equals sign in the url (which is found before and after the v) with the / button.

and then you video with be embedded

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/r3DbMqflEw4" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/r3DbMqflEw4</a>



good lookin +1

[LooN3y]

Songs:



Nipsey Hussle - Action Is Everything

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/xXA64S5vPs0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/xXA64S5vPs0&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>




Dumbfoundead - Jam Session 2.0

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/1oU0I8APK-o&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/1oU0I8APK-o&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>



Handsome Boy Modeling School - The Truth

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/DL7tz03v8wc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/DL7tz03v8wc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>


Sample


Galt MacDermot - Coffee Cold

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/iCwGQXJqu5s&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/iCwGQXJqu5s&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>