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Re: Rakim Blames New York For Hip-Hopís Dying State
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2009, 04:10:09 AM »
If Rakim released the joint he did with M.O.P then that joint alone would re-address the balance.

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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2009, 07:42:05 AM »
Fuck that, did you listen to G-Unit's last album?  The  material on that album was generic as fuck... No substance.  NY HipHop to me is SUBSTANCE.  The Real NY HipHop artists know how to keep it real.


ANYWAYS, SINGLE IN 2 MONTHS?!?!  He says that every interview, but let's hope!!

You serious? Heapsa classic NYC albums lack any real substance, Biggie, Wu Tang, Big L, all on the same sorta shit, doesnt take away from the music though. New York rap is grimey battle rap, not concious substance bullshit.

Nas, Killah Priest, Pete Rock, even Jay-Z at times got substance in they music. Gangstarr, Tribe, De La Soul, the list goes on and on.

If all rap was conscious substance I'd stop listening to rap.  If all rap was gangsta I'd stop listening to rap.  Why?  Because shit would be boring.  The point is there's a legitimate place for each style to exist and thrive. 

50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, and Tony Yayo came into the game as gangsta rappers and have stuck with the image - whether you agree with it or not.  They work it well and have brought consistent material.  Is it mind blowing word play? No.  Is it hot beats, good vocals (exception yayo), and decent lyrics - yes.  Terminate on Sight subject material was only supposed to range from hype music, women/club tracks, money and beef tracks.  They did it rather well.  It's not supposed to be introspective, reflective music.

Okay here's my point:  For me, N.Y. Rap..  Isn't G-Unit.  If you give me an album with all hype music, women/club tracks, money and beef tracks; I will not call this a real NY rap album.  The album didn't have one real cut.  Even with the all the way gangsta NY rappers like Jadakiss and Biggie, etc.  They always found a way to incorporate pain and emotion into their songs.  (Well some of them).  With the last G-Unit album, there was nothing...

I just think this is G-Unit's style.  They're not trying to be on some Hate It or Love It joint track.  I understand your issue with G-Unit's releases but I think your mistake is expecting that from them when they don't attempt to be that - at least not as a group or on official releases.  As single artists, both 50 cent and Lloyd Banks have shown different character dimensions.   Personally, I think 50 cent wrote the concept to Hate It or Love It (clearly he didn't write Game's part but he created the concept and wrote his lyrics before Game did) and on recent Lloyd Banks tracks he's been more introspective than usual - Shine Thru is a perfect example.
 

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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2009, 08:01:50 AM »
Fuck that, did you listen to G-Unit's last album?  The  material on that album was generic as fuck... No substance.  NY HipHop to me is SUBSTANCE.  The Real NY HipHop artists know how to keep it real.


ANYWAYS, SINGLE IN 2 MONTHS?!?!  He says that every interview, but let's hope!!

You serious? Heapsa classic NYC albums lack any real substance, Biggie, Wu Tang, Big L, all on the same sorta shit, doesnt take away from the music though. New York rap is grimey battle rap, not concious substance bullshit.

Nas, Killah Priest, Pete Rock, even Jay-Z at times got substance in they music. Gangstarr, Tribe, De La Soul, the list goes on and on.

If all rap was conscious substance I'd stop listening to rap.  If all rap was gangsta I'd stop listening to rap.  Why?  Because shit would be boring.  The point is there's a legitimate place for each style to exist and thrive. 

50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, and Tony Yayo came into the game as gangsta rappers and have stuck with the image - whether you agree with it or not.  They work it well and have brought consistent material.  Is it mind blowing word play? No.  Is it hot beats, good vocals (exception yayo), and decent lyrics - yes.  Terminate on Sight subject material was only supposed to range from hype music, women/club tracks, money and beef tracks.  They did it rather well.  It's not supposed to be introspective, reflective music.

Okay here's my point:  For me, N.Y. Rap..  Isn't G-Unit.  If you give me an album with all hype music, women/club tracks, money and beef tracks; I will not call this a real NY rap album.  The album didn't have one real cut.  Even with the all the way gangsta NY rappers like Jadakiss and Biggie, etc.  They always found a way to incorporate pain and emotion into their songs.  (Well some of them).  With the last G-Unit album, there was nothing...

I just think this is G-Unit's style.  They're not trying to be on some Hate It or Love It joint track.  I understand your issue with G-Unit's releases but I think your mistake is expecting that from them when they don't attempt to be that - at least not as a group or on official releases.  As single artists, both 50 cent and Lloyd Banks have shown different character dimensions.   Personally, I think 50 cent wrote the concept to Hate It or Love It (clearly he didn't write Game's part but he created the concept and wrote his lyrics before Game did) and on recent Lloyd Banks tracks he's been more introspective than usual - Shine Thru is a perfect example.

http://www.tube8.com/anal/down-the-hatch-mia-bangg/92827/   this is wat the haters do all day everyday


It's clear some of ya'll just like to talk just to talk and some of ya'll just don't get it and some of ya'll didn't understand what he was saying.  Who wants to hear depressing "real" tracks all the time, who wants to hear crunk/hyphy tracks all the time, who wants to hear gangsta music all the time, who wants to hear "introspective" tracks all the time, who wants to hear drug money music all the time, who wants to listen to rnb hop all the time, who wants to hear rock hop all the time, who wants to hear retro hip hop all the time, who wants to hear evil hip hop all the time, who wants to hear black power tracks all the time, who wants to hear "i'm gettin fucked up" tracks all the time, and so on.  Broaden your horizons when it comes to music and stop complainin and talkin about nothin new out there is good.  The balance in hip hop is there and it never wasn't (besides on TV/Radio).  Just bcuz 9th Wonder dont get as much shine as Bow Wow do now doesn't mean there's no balance.  Put on some Oldies Soul or some new RnB if you want to switch up, hell check out myspace if u want that Raw.  I understand wat Ra was talkin about.  If you buy an MPC, some turntables, a gang of rare/unpopular/unknown vinyl records, pro tools basic and a microphone(s) to record the samples with and then you'll have that sound he was talking about.

(example)

http://www.vintagesynth.com/akai/mpc1000.jpg
http://www.skratchworx.com/images/Numark/numark5000fx.jpg or http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/uploads/Image/numark_serato_ns7.jpg or etc
http://vinylrecords.ch/S/SI/Silent-Running/Deep/silent-running-12.jpg
http://www.machinemusik.com/tuition/JPG/PROTOOLS7.jpg with http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/750/Samplitude10-large.jpg
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http://www.sonicftp.com/news/images/behringer_ddm4000.jpg
http://www.audioblowouts.com/audioimages/CADGXL2200SP.jpg

and a little bit of creativity and inspiration and some real dedication (but have fun) and you to can be with the greats and have that raw gritty sound ya'll complain isn't out there.
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Re: Rakim Blames New York For Hip-Hopís Dying State
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2009, 04:07:29 PM »
Fuck that, did you listen to G-Unit's last album?  The  material on that album was generic as fuck... No substance.  NY HipHop to me is SUBSTANCE.  The Real NY HipHop artists know how to keep it real.


ANYWAYS, SINGLE IN 2 MONTHS?!?!  He says that every interview, but let's hope!!

You serious? Heapsa classic NYC albums lack any real substance, Biggie, Wu Tang, Big L, all on the same sorta shit, doesnt take away from the music though. New York rap is grimey battle rap, not concious substance bullshit.

Nas, Killah Priest, Pete Rock, even Jay-Z at times got substance in they music. Gangstarr, Tribe, De La Soul, the list goes on and on.

If all rap was conscious substance I'd stop listening to rap.  If all rap was gangsta I'd stop listening to rap.  Why?  Because shit would be boring.  The point is there's a legitimate place for each style to exist and thrive. 

50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, and Tony Yayo came into the game as gangsta rappers and have stuck with the image - whether you agree with it or not.  They work it well and have brought consistent material.  Is it mind blowing word play? No.  Is it hot beats, good vocals (exception yayo), and decent lyrics - yes.  Terminate on Sight subject material was only supposed to range from hype music, women/club tracks, money and beef tracks.  They did it rather well.  It's not supposed to be introspective, reflective music.

Okay here's my point:  For me, N.Y. Rap..  Isn't G-Unit.  If you give me an album with all hype music, women/club tracks, money and beef tracks; I will not call this a real NY rap album.  The album didn't have one real cut.  Even with the all the way gangsta NY rappers like Jadakiss and Biggie, etc.  They always found a way to incorporate pain and emotion into their songs.  (Well some of them).  With the last G-Unit album, there was nothing...

I just think this is G-Unit's style.  They're not trying to be on some Hate It or Love It joint track.  I understand your issue with G-Unit's releases but I think your mistake is expecting that from them when they don't attempt to be that - at least not as a group or on official releases.  As single artists, both 50 cent and Lloyd Banks have shown different character dimensions.   Personally, I think 50 cent wrote the concept to Hate It or Love It (clearly he didn't write Game's part but he created the concept and wrote his lyrics before Game did) and on recent Lloyd Banks tracks he's been more introspective than usual - Shine Thru is a perfect example.

Yup couldnt agree more, but I do agree with what hes saying, "Money Makes The World Go Round" was the only real attempt at introspective, but like point said I dont think they were trying to get introspective at all... Check 50's tracks "Gotta Make It To Heaven", "God Gave Me Style", Banks' "Put Me Under" etc for more introspective tracks. D Blocks album, Wu Tangs groups album, Red and Meths albums have fuck all introspection on them either...
 

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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2009, 05:59:19 PM »
Fuck that, did you listen to G-Unit's last album?  The  material on that album was generic as fuck... No substance.  NY HipHop to me is SUBSTANCE.  The Real NY HipHop artists know how to keep it real.


ANYWAYS, SINGLE IN 2 MONTHS?!?!  He says that every interview, but let's hope!!

You serious? Heapsa classic NYC albums lack any real substance, Biggie, Wu Tang, Big L, all on the same sorta shit, doesnt take away from the music though. New York rap is grimey battle rap, not concious substance bullshit.

Nas, Killah Priest, Pete Rock, even Jay-Z at times got substance in they music. Gangstarr, Tribe, De La Soul, the list goes on and on.

If all rap was conscious substance I'd stop listening to rap.  If all rap was gangsta I'd stop listening to rap.  Why?  Because shit would be boring.  The point is there's a legitimate place for each style to exist and thrive. 

50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, and Tony Yayo came into the game as gangsta rappers and have stuck with the image - whether you agree with it or not.  They work it well and have brought consistent material.  Is it mind blowing word play? No.  Is it hot beats, good vocals (exception yayo), and decent lyrics - yes.  Terminate on Sight subject material was only supposed to range from hype music, women/club tracks, money and beef tracks.  They did it rather well.  It's not supposed to be introspective, reflective music.

Okay here's my point:  For me, N.Y. Rap..  Isn't G-Unit.  If you give me an album with all hype music, women/club tracks, money and beef tracks; I will not call this a real NY rap album.  The album didn't have one real cut.  Even with the all the way gangsta NY rappers like Jadakiss and Biggie, etc.  They always found a way to incorporate pain and emotion into their songs.  (Well some of them).  With the last G-Unit album, there was nothing...

I just think this is G-Unit's style.  They're not trying to be on some Hate It or Love It joint track.  I understand your issue with G-Unit's releases but I think your mistake is expecting that from them when they don't attempt to be that - at least not as a group or on official releases.  As single artists, both 50 cent and Lloyd Banks have shown different character dimensions.   Personally, I think 50 cent wrote the concept to Hate It or Love It (clearly he didn't write Game's part but he created the concept and wrote his lyrics before Game did) and on recent Lloyd Banks tracks he's been more introspective than usual - Shine Thru is a perfect example.

http://www.tube8.com/anal/down-the-hatch-mia-bangg/92827/   this is wat the haters do all day everyday


It's clear some of ya'll just like to talk just to talk and some of ya'll just don't get it and some of ya'll didn't understand what he was saying.  Who wants to hear depressing "real" tracks all the time, who wants to hear crunk/hyphy tracks all the time, who wants to hear gangsta music all the time, who wants to hear "introspective" tracks all the time, who wants to hear drug money music all the time, who wants to listen to rnb hop all the time, who wants to hear rock hop all the time, who wants to hear retro hip hop all the time, who wants to hear evil hip hop all the time, who wants to hear black power tracks all the time, who wants to hear "i'm gettin fucked up" tracks all the time, and so on.  Broaden your horizons when it comes to music and stop complainin and talkin about nothin new out there is good.  The balance in hip hop is there and it never wasn't (besides on TV/Radio).  Just bcuz 9th Wonder dont get as much shine as Bow Wow do now doesn't mean there's no balance.  Put on some Oldies Soul or some new RnB if you want to switch up, hell check out myspace if u want that Raw.  I understand wat Ra was talkin about.  If you dont buy an MPC, some turntables, a gang of rare/unpopular/unknown vinyl records, pro tools basic and a microphone(s) to record the samples with and then you'll have that sound he was talking about.

(example)

http://www.vintagesynth.com/akai/mpc1000.jpg
http://www.skratchworx.com/images/Numark/numark5000fx.jpg or http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/uploads/Image/numark_serato_ns7.jpg or etc
http://vinylrecords.ch/S/SI/Silent-Running/Deep/silent-running-12.jpg
http://www.machinemusik.com/tuition/JPG/PROTOOLS7.jpg with http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/750/Samplitude10-large.jpg
http://www.e-av.co.uk/products/MICAKG002.gif
http://www.sonicftp.com/news/images/behringer_ddm4000.jpg
http://www.audioblowouts.com/audioimages/CADGXL2200SP.jpg

and a little bit of creativity and inspiration and some real dedication (but have fun) and you to can be with the greats and have that raw gritty sound ya'll complain isn't out there.

I don't know whose point you're supporting, but good post..  Listen to the Mobb track.  It's gangsta as fuck, but it's still telling a story/lesson, it's still giving giving emotion...  Another example. Nas.  Even his raw cuts, he still incorporates knowledge and pain into the songs..  With G-Unit, it's just like vague raps that don't ever get into something you can relate to..  Now if their subject content was better it might be tolerable, but it's not.  It's the same guns, girls, drugs shit with no depth.  If you wanna rap like that, you gotta do it better..  And Lox/Wu don't have introspective joints?   Jadakiss - Why, Sheek Louch - Mic Check, Jada - Still Feel Me, Styles - Alone in the Streets, All I know is Pain.. Cause I'm Black..  Wu's last album was more introspective than anything they've put out so far...

Banks gets a pass.  But Yayo, 50, and as the group, always come short with variety, versatility, and substance.

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Re: Rakim Blames New York For Hip-Hopís Dying State
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2009, 06:51:55 PM »
BUT DAMN OVERALL PICTURE HERE IS DA FUCK IS RAKIM DOIN?
HE CAN STILL SPIT BUT HES TRYIN FIND A DEAL????
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts more then getting the swine flu
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 06:54:51 PM »
Yo Leak I was talking bout Lox as a group, not their solo shit. Cos it seems that when groups get together the subject matter is less important, I agree with alot of what you're saying though. Damn Wu's last album was wack though
 

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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 07:15:16 PM »
Ima speak on the last wu album from a aspect of them hypin the album up so much
rza was sayin it was gon be dope as soon as everyone gets their act together etc....
but IMO that album dont seem like it was put together wit 100 input as raekwon was claimin from the jump

especially since it might have been their last.....hopefully it isnt but you know






Yo Leak I was talking bout Lox as a group, not their solo shit. Cos it seems that when groups get together the subject matter is less important, I agree with alot of what you're saying though. Damn Wu's last album was wack though
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts more then getting the swine flu
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 07:37:27 PM »
G Unit doesn't hold the whole New York rap scene all alone on their backs, so let's not get all hyphy bcuz G Unit is more popular than Saigon or Joell Ortiz.  And for the record they have a ton of subject matter (ESPECIALLY 50), I'm guessing none of ya'll check out the mixtapes they put out.  Alot of rappers use their "Album" as a commercial display and then use the "Mixtape" as a form of showing off craft in a more Raw way.  Like I've said there's always been a good balance in Hip Hop overall, alot of ya'll just dont know where to look for it.



Artist are super hip that people download more music then they buy, so instead of looking for everything you need on ONE mixtape/album, instead just download what you want on an album and burn it.  There's so much music GUnit has put out over the years that range from all types of subjects.  Download all the concepts/good records that you wanna hear and burn it on one cd and you'll have that Classic you're looking for.

 

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2009, 07:52:56 PM »
Rakim Don't Gotta Release Any Mo Shyt & Still Can Talk All The Shyt He Wants Why? Cause Without A Shadow Of A Doubt He's The Greatest Lyricist Of All Time...Also Way Ahead Of His Time Just Like The D.O.C. In Other Words Kiddies Do Yo Research B4 Talkin Caca...
 

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2009, 07:59:08 PM »
Rakim Don't Gotta Release Any Mo Shyt & Still Can Talk All The Shyt He Wants Why? Cause Without A Shadow Of A Doubt He's The Greatest Lyricist Of All Time...Also Way Ahead Of His Time Just Like The D.O.C. In Other Words Kiddies Do Yo Research B4 Talkin Caca...

That's true in a sense and historically speaking but there's far more artist out (since Ra stepped down) that have been a lyrical beast just like him... Cory Gunz for example, he may not have the mystique like Ra had or even the swagger, but that niggas a fuckin' monster.  Crooked I is anotha example, Beanie Segal, the list goes on- but I understand wat your saying.

 

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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2009, 08:09:38 PM »
Cory Gunz does his thing but as of this date Rakim is far beyond him.  I don't think it's fair comparing dudes.   When Rakim started to spit that shit was mind blowing.  Rap has evolved so much from Rakim. 
 

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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2009, 08:25:51 PM »
Cory Gunz does his thing but as of this date Rakim is far beyond him.  I don't think it's fair comparing dudes.   When Rakim started to spit that shit was mind blowing.  Rap has evolved so much from Rakim. 

That was point exactly!  But give someone like Gunz or even C. Hamilton some more time in the game and you'll see.  Hip Hop isn't "mind blowing" anymore like it was back in tha day - for the simple fact it was NEW then, but now what is "mind blowing" anymore? Not even Detox can be "mind blowing", Classic - Yes, Mind Blowing... no

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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2009, 08:35:47 PM »
damn realest shit in a minute




Cory Gunz does his thing but as of this date Rakim is far beyond him.  I don't think it's fair comparing dudes.   When Rakim started to spit that shit was mind blowing.  Rap has evolved so much from Rakim. 
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts more then getting the swine flu
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2009, 09:30:30 PM »
Cory Gunz does his thing but as of this date Rakim is far beyond him.  I don't think it's fair comparing dudes.   When Rakim started to spit that shit was mind blowing.  Rap has evolved so much from Rakim. 

That was point exactly!  But give someone like Gunz or even C. Hamilton some more time in the game and you'll see.  Hip Hop isn't "mind blowing" anymore like it was back in tha day - for the simple fact it was NEW then, but now what is "mind blowing" anymore? Not even Detox can be "mind blowing", Classic - Yes, Mind Blowing... no



I agree, it's just the curse of any music genre/style as it ages-what was once mind blowing and new is no longer.  There are still steps it can evolve towards but the initial shock reaction, for the most part, is gone.  I do believe there are few outliers that will be exception to the rules.  I think it's possible to be mind blowing but it's got to be the complete package. Plus there's the generational factor.  Once the old school dies off, it'll find a new source of inspiration.

I've mentioned this once or twice in a Dr.Dre Detox relate thread but I think if a dope producer can match classical music over drum patterns similar to what Just Blaze did for the U.S Olympic Basketball team and have a rapper who has bomb ass vocals with quality lyrics rap over it then it'd be another evolution.  It's unfortunate cause I see the elements out there.  Game has amazing vocal ability, unlike most rappers, but terrible lyrics.  If he could be morphed a few fellow artists say like Bishop Lamont/50 Cent/Immortal Technique/Nas then damn that individual would be damn near unstoppable.  If Just Blaze worked with some other big named producers say Dr.Dre, Kanye West, Premier, Alchemists - whomever and master that ochestra formula it'd be pretty sweet.
 

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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2009, 09:34:51 PM »
yeah when i heard that shit and then seen him actually make that shit
SHIT WAS DOPE AS FUCK!!!!
AND THAT SHIT NEVER GETS OLD!!!




Cory Gunz does his thing but as of this date Rakim is far beyond him.  I don't think it's fair comparing dudes.   When Rakim started to spit that shit was mind blowing.  Rap has evolved so much from Rakim. 

That was point exactly!  But give someone like Gunz or even C. Hamilton some more time in the game and you'll see.  Hip Hop isn't "mind blowing" anymore like it was back in tha day - for the simple fact it was NEW then, but now what is "mind blowing" anymore? Not even Detox can be "mind blowing", Classic - Yes, Mind Blowing... no



I agree, it's just the curse of any music genre/style as it ages-what was once mind blowing and new is no longer.  There are still steps it can evolve towards but the initial shock reaction, for the most part, is gone.  I do believe there are few outliers that will be exception to the rules.  I think it's possible to be mind blowing but it's got to be the complete package. Plus there's the generational factor.  Once the old school dies off, it'll find a new source of inspiration.

I've mentioned this once or twice in a Dr.Dre Detox relate thread but I think if a dope producer can match classical music over drum patterns similar to what Just Blaze did for the U.S Olympic Basketball team and have a rapper who has bomb ass vocals with quality lyrics rap over it then it'd be another evolution.  It's unfortunate cause I see the elements out there.  Game has amazing vocal ability, unlike most rappers, but terrible lyrics.  If he could be morphed a few fellow artists say like Bishop Lamont/50 Cent/Immortal Technique/Nas then damn that individual would be damn near unstoppable.  If Just Blaze worked with some other big named producers say Dr.Dre, Kanye West, Premier, Alchemists - whomever and master that ochestra formula it'd be pretty sweet.
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts more then getting the swine flu
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Re: Rakim Blames New York For Hip-Hop’s Dying State
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2009, 10:41:57 PM »
Yo Leak I was talking bout Lox as a group, not their solo shit. Cos it seems that when groups get together the subject matter is less important, I agree with alot of what you're saying though. Damn Wu's last album was wack though

Yeah, you're right.. lol.  Can't argue there..

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Re: Rakim Blames New York For Hip-Hopís Dying State
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2009, 08:11:38 AM »
Nas' album was fuckin DOPE!

i mean, maybe New York isnt doing it the biggest but how is he going to say that pop/snap music isnt the cause for the downfall? ???

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And since Raekwon is finally releasing that OB4CL 2 this year, it doesn't look too bad for NY.
 

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Re: Rakim Blames New York For Hip-Hopís Dying State
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2009, 01:01:56 PM »
Somebody is always shouting out that hip-hop/rap is dead.  Same assholes did it when the west coast got big.   Not that I think Nas is an ashole or anything, I'm a big fan of his music.