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Re: DJ Premier = the most overrated producer in hip-hop history
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2009, 07:58:17 PM »
I assume your sayin yes to makin him the best and not RZA & Dre bein tied for #1?
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on some real shit RZA and Dre are tied for me.  dont get it twisted tho, premo is dope at what he does, theres no question, but does that make him the best of the best?


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Haha. I meant joint best. I think RZA has produced some seriously classic beats from about 93-96. But since he has really fallen off. Premier has kept it consistent, always releasing bangers. Hopefully Dre is holding back the bangers for the 3 albums that are supposedly coming out this year, as he is not on the level he used to be. But that is not saying he's been doing shit because what he releases is better than about 90% better than what gets released these days. But since 95, RZA hasn't been the same, a really dope track now and again. His work on 8 Diagrams is very average and he only gets a few beats on each of the Wu's solo albums and they are not that amazing. Hopefully on OB4CL2 he can change my mind.

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Re: DJ Premier = the most overrated producer in hip-hop history
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2009, 08:02:57 PM »

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Re: DJ Premier = the most overrated producer in hip-hop history
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2009, 08:06:55 PM »
ok se we agree on that
DRE & RZA tied for first
but IMO I'd say 80-90% of what RZA has done in his career which im also tryna to listen to entirely, has been dope, ID EVEN SAY AMAZIN cuz of how he makes his muzik.
but again that dont make premo or just blaze wack, jus im sayin if they went head up

1.dr. dre
2.rza
3.just blaze
4.premo

im sayin either dre or rza would produce more heat.

and yeah his work on 8 diagrams wasnt dope, but it was aite.  but "STATE OF GRACE" older raekwon song, is a banger and one of the dopest traxx to be released in a minute

have you heard that afro soundtrack? part 1 or 2
shit is fuckin fire, of course thats IMO

but shit good lookin out for havin a debate wit another member unlike others who are too groupified and cant take the heat.
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2009, 08:08:24 PM »
ok se we agree on that
DRE & RZA tied for first
but IMO I'd say 80-90% of what RZA has done in his career which im also tryna to listen to entirely, has been dope, ID EVEN SAY AMAZIN cuz of how he makes his muzik.
but again that dont make premo or just blaze wack, jus im sayin if they went head up

1.dr. dre
2.rza
3.just blaze
4.premo

im sayin either dre or rza would produce more heat.

and yeah his work on 8 diagrams wasnt dope, but it was aite.  but "STATE OF GRACE" older raekwon song, is a banger and one of the dopest traxx to be released in a minute

have you heard that afro soundtrack? part 1 or 2
shit is fuckin fire, of course thats IMO

but shit good lookin out for havin a debate wit another member unlike others who are too groupified and cant take the heat.


No I meant Dre and Premo joint.

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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2009, 08:13:33 PM »
aite thats also your input and interestin
cuz of the info provided
but I disagree, but its all good

I want to pick RZA as bein better but I cant cuz of other classics and dre's vintage sound that he can still bring
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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2009, 11:22:08 PM »
nah i wasnt sayin just was better than premo i was puttin his name up as bein dope
but IMO hes more creative than premo
is he better, tuff 1 to decide one
but do yuo agree
dr. dre>>>>premo????

I'm not gonna argue that one, Dre And Premo are equal for me, but you stated:

DRE           RZA          JUST BLAZE           PREMO

So that is saying that Blaze is better. Have you listened to Premiers whole catalogue?


So that just means your a Stan like I said and there's no reasonable arguement I can put up with you, you'll just deny it.  And if you checked out that post from a while back I was putting up CLASSIC 3 6 underground shit (crazy gangsta basement music).  So pretty much I'll let you fuss and call it a day.




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Re: DJ Premier = the most overrated producer in hip-hop history
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2009, 11:26:15 PM »
three 6 mafia shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as:
premo & just blaze let alone 2 of the best

theyve done what theyve done, but they arent close to the best.  maybe 1 day

but lets see what supa star says
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Re: DJ Premier = the most overrated producer in hip-hop history
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2009, 02:27:48 AM »
u cant say Just Blaze hasnt produced any classics. I mean i could understand why someone prefers his more updated sound to Primos but Blaze has got classics:

Jay Z - Dynasty Intro
Fabulous - Breathe
Jay Z - Song Cry

etc...
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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2009, 06:54:19 AM »
nah i wasnt sayin just was better than premo i was puttin his name up as bein dope
but IMO hes more creative than premo
is he better, tuff 1 to decide one
but do yuo agree
dr. dre>>>>premo????

I'm not gonna argue that one, Dre And Premo are equal for me, but you stated:

DRE           RZA          JUST BLAZE           PREMO

So that is saying that Blaze is better. Have you listened to Premiers whole catalogue?


So that just means your a Stan like I said and there's no reasonable arguement I can put up with you, you'll just deny it.  And if you checked out that post from a while back I was putting up CLASSIC 3 6 underground shit (crazy gangsta basement music).  So pretty much I'll let you fuss and call it a day.






None of that shit you posted up in that thread is classic. It won't be remembered by anyone apart from Stans like yourself. I've already put up a decent arguement so I don't need to prove myself again. Obviously I haven't heard every Premier track, but I don't need to to know that his catalogue is better than 3 6's.
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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2009, 06:57:01 AM »
u cant say Just Blaze hasnt produced any classics. I mean i could understand why someone prefers his more updated sound to Primos but Blaze has got classics:

Jay Z - Dynasty Intro
Fabulous - Breathe
Jay Z - Song Cry

etc...

They are great tracks, no doubt but classics? No. I do like quite a bit of Just Blaze (patiently waiting for the Saigon album) but none of his tracks are classic to me. As close as it gets to classic for me is the Public Service Announcement on Black Album.

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Re: DJ Premier = the most overrated producer in hip-hop history
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2009, 07:37:57 AM »
u cant say Just Blaze hasnt produced any classics. I mean i could understand why someone prefers his more updated sound to Primos but Blaze has got classics:

Jay Z - Dynasty Intro
Fabulous - Breathe
Jay Z - Song Cry

etc...

They are great tracks, no doubt but classics? No. I do like quite a bit of Just Blaze (patiently waiting for the Saigon album) but none of his tracks are classic to me. As close as it gets to classic for me is the Public Service Announcement on Black Album.

Wow if those arent classics then that wipes out alot of premos catalogue as far as classic material is concerned.
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« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2009, 07:49:30 AM »
u cant say Just Blaze hasnt produced any classics. I mean i could understand why someone prefers his more updated sound to Primos but Blaze has got classics:

Jay Z - Dynasty Intro
Fabulous - Breathe
Jay Z - Song Cry

etc...

They are great tracks, no doubt but classics? No. I do like quite a bit of Just Blaze (patiently waiting for the Saigon album) but none of his tracks are classic to me. As close as it gets to classic for me is the Public Service Announcement on Black Album.

Wow if those arent classics then that wipes out alot of premos catalogue as far as classic material is concerned.

To me, I never have the urge to go back and listen to them. They are good tracks no doubt, but they are no Mass Appeal, Kick In The Door, Come Clean, A Million & One Questions, NY State of Mind, etc.

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Re: DJ Premier = the most overrated producer in hip-hop history
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2009, 08:50:28 AM »
I made a thread about this not too long ago about Preme vs. DJ Paul & Juicy J.  I made a good arguement and even put up like 30 songs all together (preme, paul, juicy) but you can't change a Stan's mind.  all you'll get is "that's not preme's best work" or "you're fuckin' dumb" or some off the wall shit.  I agree Preme is nice but his shit is waaaaaaaay too simple and repetitive for me.  Three 6 scratch, sample, and originate they music better than Preme has done with just as much if not a bigger body of work, even when they waz in they momma basement recordin shit.  Ain't nobody copyin Preme forreal forreal.  More people have copied Three 6 than Preme, which is visible with all of this crunk music that's came out these past 12 years.  But to agree with your point though, I agree witchu'.  I ain't hatin on Preme he does make some good shit, but if Preme is getting all of this spotlight then why isn't Pete Rock?





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What the fuck you talking about, you bought up no reasonable arguement apart from the fact that you prefer 3 6 over Premo personally. They can't even touch Premiers work over the 20 years when he's been laying down nothing but dope shit. And no way is Just Blaze better than Premier. Name a classic from Blaze.
i agree. but just got some heat. you can't deny it from jay z to beanie sigel to saigon to t.i. to whoever just got heat
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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2009, 09:07:32 AM »
u cant say Just Blaze hasnt produced any classics. I mean i could understand why someone prefers his more updated sound to Primos but Blaze has got classics:

Jay Z - Dynasty Intro
Fabulous - Breathe
Jay Z - Song Cry

etc...

They are great tracks, no doubt but classics? No. I do like quite a bit of Just Blaze (patiently waiting for the Saigon album) but none of his tracks are classic to me. As close as it gets to classic for me is the Public Service Announcement on Black Album.

Wow if those arent classics then that wipes out alot of premos catalogue as far as classic material is concerned.

To me, I never have the urge to go back and listen to them. They are good tracks no doubt, but they are no Mass Appeal, Kick In The Door, Come Clean, A Million & One Questions, NY State of Mind, etc.

I guess its opnions but i think i'm not on my own in saying that Just Blaze has got classics. Tracks like Why You Hate the Game and the tracks he did with Jay Electronica are so refreshing and i definately see Just as one of the best producers around atm
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Re: DJ Premier = the most overrated producer in hip-hop history
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2009, 10:49:30 AM »
yeah that might be well said:
at the moment
will he have the same legacy as
rza     dre      premo

who are considered gods?
maybe, but I'd say he have to create more revolutionary traxx like those 3 have on every level possibly
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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2009, 12:10:42 PM »
but str8 up
goldyn child is fuckin dope!!!
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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2009, 12:36:00 PM »
^^^^^yeah i dont agree wit alotta the shit you say but this time i do somewhat
thats my problem wit premo
his production credits sound alike, now to a certain extent thats good but its also bad IMO
but that dont make him a wack producer but...yeah sounds like the same shit

So hearing a beat and knowing its premo is bad? Its called having a good ear for music.

If i hear a beat i havent heard before, I can tell its a dillla beat, or its a 9th wonder beat, or a kanye beat. Just because im familiar with their sound. each and every producer has their own sound, just like how premo has his own sound. I dont see how that makes him bad.
 

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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2009, 12:39:47 PM »
nah dont get it twisted im not sayin premo is bad or wack etc...
nah hes made some of the craziest beats but out of all them producers he seems to be more wit the same shit each time like someone else basically said
but shit
that fat joe track he did, that shit is crazy




^^^^^yeah i dont agree wit alotta the shit you say but this time i do somewhat
thats my problem wit premo
his production credits sound alike, now to a certain extent thats good but its also bad IMO
but that dont make him a wack producer but...yeah sounds like the same shit

So hearing a beat and knowing its premo is bad? Its called having a good ear for music.

If i hear a beat i havent heard before, I can tell its a dillla beat, or its a 9th wonder beat, or a kanye beat. Just because im familiar with their sound. each and every producer has their own sound, just like how premo has his own sound. I dont see how that makes him bad.
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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2009, 12:43:18 PM »
He supposedly working on the song he did with 50, adding new elemnts such as scratches and possibly new verses. Its meant to be on BISD now which is pretty dope. This and his track on Ludas album will help get him some recognition with those that aren't a clued up on classic NY hip hop.
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2009, 12:47:21 PM »
yeah those 2 are dope
maybe
shut your bloodclot>>>I this 4 hip-hop!!


He supposedly working on the song he did with 50, adding new elemnts such as scratches and possibly new verses. Its meant to be on BISD now which is pretty dope. This and his track on Ludas album will help get him some recognition with those that aren't a clued up on classic NY hip hop.
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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2009, 08:21:52 PM »
yeah those 2 are dope
maybe
shut your bloodclot>>>I this 4 hip-hop!!


He supposedly working on the song he did with 50, adding new elemnts such as scratches and possibly new verses. Its meant to be on BISD now which is pretty dope. This and his track on Ludas album will help get him some recognition with those that aren't a clued up on classic NY hip hop.

Premier didn't produce I Do It For Hip Hop, he did MVP.

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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2009, 09:02:25 PM »
yeah what i meant
other is cool to
but that white is dope




yeah those 2 are dope
maybe
shut your bloodclot>>>I this 4 hip-hop!!


He supposedly working on the song he did with 50, adding new elemnts such as scratches and possibly new verses. Its meant to be on BISD now which is pretty dope. This and his track on Ludas album will help get him some recognition with those that aren't a clued up on classic NY hip hop.

Premier didn't produce I Do It For Hip Hop, he did MVP.
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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2009, 09:06:44 PM »
yeah what i meant
other is cool to
but that white is dope




yeah those 2 are dope
maybe
shut your bloodclot>>>I this 4 hip-hop!!


He supposedly working on the song he did with 50, adding new elemnts such as scratches and possibly new verses. Its meant to be on BISD now which is pretty dope. This and his track on Ludas album will help get him some recognition with those that aren't a clued up on classic NY hip hop.

Premier didn't produce I Do It For Hip Hop, he did MVP.

Also I'm gonna have to disagree with you about that. At the moment MVP is the better track, but until Shut Ur Bloodclot Mouth leaks in its full form, then I'll get back to you. More than likely will be the better track.

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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2009, 09:09:56 PM »
from what i've noticed, the poster "professor" is kind of an idiot, but thats besides the point. it all comes down to taste. premos beats can really move me so he's not overrated to me. i don't like cool and dre, but that might be the shit to some people. so yeah "most overrated producer" is a mornic thing to say, especially when he couldve just said "i dont care for premo", but oh well, he seeks attention and as a fragile dumb kid, who are we to break him down?

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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2009, 09:12:14 PM »
yeah by the sounds of it
again by the sounds of it

shut your bloodclot mouth>>>>MVP




yeah what i meant
other is cool to
but that white is dope




yeah those 2 are dope
maybe
shut your bloodclot>>>I this 4 hip-hop!!


He supposedly working on the song he did with 50, adding new elemnts such as scratches and possibly new verses. Its meant to be on BISD now which is pretty dope. This and his track on Ludas album will help get him some recognition with those that aren't a clued up on classic NY hip hop.

Premier didn't produce I Do It For Hip Hop, he did MVP.

Also I'm gonna have to disagree with you about that. At the moment MVP is the better track, but until Shut Ur Bloodclot Mouth leaks in its full form, then I'll get back to you. More than likely will be the better track.
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