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Flow.

I hear cats on here always talkin about "this guy's flow is dope..." and then I'll listen to the same joint and wonder if this cat even knows what a flow is.  Because said rappers flow was horrible.

So I want to take a moment to clarify what makes a dope flow.  A dope flow is all about spitting in sync / rhythm with the beat.  The flow should be driven by the drums in the song, and should stay in time with them.  Their should be a little swing to how they're spitting.  Every once in a while skippin off beat for effect or what not is perfectly acceptable, but an entire song completely off beat and lacking any semblance of rhythm, especially w/ respect to the beat is not.

Rapping on time is what connects the rapper to the beat.  Without that element, there is a major disconnect between the two. 

Somehow though, it became a trend to kinda lazily talk over the song with little to no regard to the beat.  Off top guys like Wayne & Jay (even Andre3000 did this for a minute - his best Weezy impressions) etc are beyond capable of spittin like crazy, but a lot of times they don't.  And to me it makes them unlistenable when they are lazily talking rather than truly rapping.

It just seems like it is acceptable to no longer posess the ability to rap on time, and that's def one of the biggest reasons why I can't listen to a lot of mainstream shit.  Shit if you're gonna make 1000 songs about slangin rocks at least have a flow and the song then has some redeeming value.  It may still be enjoyable even though we've heard this generic subject matter before. 

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Game's got flow, right?  I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation. 

I don't think the flow for most cats are too bad.  For me, what's missing is a sense of lyricism.  I miss that element of suspense when two cats battle.  Everyone too scared to battle. 
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everybody got flow.  there's more than 1 way 2 flow just like there's more than 1 way 2 fuck


 

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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.
 

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T.I. & Ludacris have the best flows outta mainstream popular rappers today
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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.


hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood





 

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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.


hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood







hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.
 

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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.


hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood







hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.


u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u.  i know u wood, anybody wood.  even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day
 

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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.


hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood







hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.


u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u.  i know u wood, anybody wood.  even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day

yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.

that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.

guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.

50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.

the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
 

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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.


hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood







hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.


u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u.  i know u wood, anybody wood.  even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day

yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.

that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.

guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.

50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.

the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
hip hop isnt dying its alive and well you just gotta find it cuz good hip hop doesnt come to you like bad hip hop
 

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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.


hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood







hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.


u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u.  i know u wood, anybody wood.  even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day

yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.

that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.

guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.

50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.

the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
hip hop isnt dying its alive and well you just gotta find it cuz good hip hop doesnt come to you like bad hip hop


thats not even true 4real 4real.  y'all just watch too much tv and y'all must not have a cd/mp3 player in your car.



and like most NORMAL people would do, you wood make a couple club bangers and get out of the hood (if that's where you're from).  thats the whole point like u said, by any means necessary.  trust me, living in tha hood will make alot more shit seem real to you, including bubblegum raps and cookie cutter marketing schemes.  it's really not as bad as alot of y'all make it out 2 seem



 

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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.


hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood







hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.


u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u.  i know u wood, anybody wood.  even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day

yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.

that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.

guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.

50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.

the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
hip hop isnt dying its alive and well you just gotta find it cuz good hip hop doesnt come to you like bad hip hop

i'd like to think that, but look at the game.

all the new guys aren't making true hip hop; even Drake. i love his music, but it isn't like real hip hop, but it's enjoyable music.

look at all the guys making the best music, Slaughterhouse (4 established rappers already), Kurupt (a legend), Xzibit (a legend).

theres others but i don't want to name everybody lol.

point is, all the new guys that are going to be coming up (with the exception of a few) are going to take the mainstream approach of music. autotune & shit.

rap will be almost dead when all the best rappers of right now are gone, it's inevitable.
 

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mainstream rappers don't give a fuck how they sound; as long as they sell & have groupie fans, there good.


hell yeah, wouldn't u want that too.... i know i wood







hell yeah, but i wouldn't try to brag & act like i'm a dope rapper if i know i'm selling out for the bread.


u wood sell out 4 that grill cheeze i'm tellin u.  i know u wood, anybody wood.  even Pac danced in those Hammer pants back in tha day

yeah at first, but once i was ballin' i would become a real artist & not just sell that real shit.

that's what is going to be wrong with the next generation of rap.

guys coming up aren't going to be making great, classic albums.

50 came up spitting hard, so did Em; but now dudes are going to be coming up with that autotune & club tracks.

the art hip-hop is dying; it was made to make it big, tell your story & get out of the hood; now it's make one song that a million people will put as there ring tone, dance in the club & never be heard of again.
hip hop isnt dying its alive and well you just gotta find it cuz good hip hop doesnt come to you like bad hip hop

i'd like to think that, but look at the game.

all the new guys aren't making true hip hop; even Drake. i love his music, but it isn't like real hip hop, but it's enjoyable music.

look at all the guys making the best music, Slaughterhouse (4 established rappers already), Kurupt (a legend), Xzibit (a legend).

theres others but i don't want to name everybody lol.

point is, all the new guys that are going to be coming up (with the exception of a few) are going to take the mainstream approach of music. autotune & shit.

rap will be almost dead when all the best rappers of right now are gone, it's inevitable.
but like i said there is alot of new hip hop that is really good just not mainstream but we dont have to pay attention to the mainstream shit...lets just listen to the new artists that are really fuckin good and new that are making REAL hip hop...check out guys like Blu, TiRon, common market and ALOT others that are bringing REAL shit
 

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^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.

 

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^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.


rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit
 

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^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.




there will ALWAYS be room 4 both.  why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session?  get past that shit ASAP.  you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously).  Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory.  im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans".  it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing)  Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'.  They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).



  CLASSIC!  lol
 

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^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.


rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit

yeah, but when you got an 18 year old kid putting out dope hip hop & nobody gives him a chance because nobody cops that shit anymore, if he is talented enough he is going to jump on that autotune, mainstream, club track shit.

in the long run it's going to be ugly. :-\

^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.




there will ALWAYS be room 4 both.  why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session?  get past that shit ASAP.  you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously).  Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory.  im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans".  it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing)  Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'.  They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).



  CLASSIC!  lol

what's a "new classic"? coming from you i know you don't mean Joe Budden lol.

it's not that i want to hear old, classic music; i can listen to that all the time.

it's new guys coming up trying to rap. if there is no money there for them, regardless how good they are, they aren't going to do it. 10-15 years ago rap sold millions of copies an album; rap was the shit to cop. a bangin' beat with hardcore, deep lyrics over it.

now it's a corny, 10 dollar beat that anybody could make & a catchy hook that people are hooked into. i don't even know why people who make that music make verses, i mean people don't give a fuck what they are saying in the verse, there just boppin' there head to the hook lol.
 

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^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.


rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit

yeah, but when you got an 18 year old kid putting out dope hip hop & nobody gives him a chance because nobody cops that shit anymore, if he is talented enough he is going to jump on that autotune, mainstream, club track shit.

in the long run it's going to be ugly. :-\

^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.




there will ALWAYS be room 4 both.  why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session?  get past that shit ASAP.  you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously).  Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory.  im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans".  it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing)  Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'.  They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).



  CLASSIC!  lol

what's a "new classic"? coming from you i know you don't mean Joe Budden lol.

it's not that i want to hear old, classic music; i can listen to that all the time.

it's new guys coming up trying to rap. if there is no money there for them, regardless how good they are, they aren't going to do it. 10-15 years ago rap sold millions of copies an album; rap was the shit to cop. a bangin' beat with hardcore, deep lyrics over it.

now it's a corny, 10 dollar beat that anybody could make & a catchy hook that people are hooked into. i don't even know why people who make that music make verses, i mean people don't give a fuck what they are saying in the verse, there just boppin' there head to the hook lol.


so


u really do take YOUR opinion way too serious.  you shouldn't let tha dubb/the internet or yourself determine wats good and wats not when it comes 2 tha masses and wat people want/need to hear. 



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^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.


rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit

yeah, but when you got an 18 year old kid putting out dope hip hop & nobody gives him a chance because nobody cops that shit anymore, if he is talented enough he is going to jump on that autotune, mainstream, club track shit.

in the long run it's going to be ugly. :-\

^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.




there will ALWAYS be room 4 both.  why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session?  get past that shit ASAP.  you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously).  Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory.  im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans".  it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing)  Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'.  They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).



  CLASSIC!  lol

what's a "new classic"? coming from you i know you don't mean Joe Budden lol.

it's not that i want to hear old, classic music; i can listen to that all the time.

it's new guys coming up trying to rap. if there is no money there for them, regardless how good they are, they aren't going to do it. 10-15 years ago rap sold millions of copies an album; rap was the shit to cop. a bangin' beat with hardcore, deep lyrics over it.

now it's a corny, 10 dollar beat that anybody could make & a catchy hook that people are hooked into. i don't even know why people who make that music make verses, i mean people don't give a fuck what they are saying in the verse, there just boppin' there head to the hook lol.


so


u really do take YOUR opinion way too serious.  you shouldn't let tha dubb or yourself determine wats good and wats not when it comes 2 tha masses and wat people want/need to hear. 




stop puttin wack shit for us to listen to geez



 

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i hated get your walk on.



is this all u wanna hear?  fuck that
 

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^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.


rappers on mainstream labels are forced to put out bullshit

yeah, but when you got an 18 year old kid putting out dope hip hop & nobody gives him a chance because nobody cops that shit anymore, if he is talented enough he is going to jump on that autotune, mainstream, club track shit.

in the long run it's going to be ugly. :-\

^like Inverse. 8)

but there aren't as many great upcoming "rappers", maybe guys who think there rappers; but just in it for the money.

then you got a list of upcoming, good rappers; but half of them will sell out when a major label waves a contract & millions in their face.

it won't be around if these wack rappers are continuously promoted; there won't be any money in rap.

guys who are already established can afford to still make real music will do it until they retire; but one day the top rappers of today will retire & all the upcoming kids won't even have an industry to make money in unless they sell out to the mainstream side of things.




there will ALWAYS be room 4 both.  why r u so depressed that u can't turn on BET/MTV and see some conscience rapper on the screen or turn on the hip hop radio station and hear a Pete Rock jam session?  get past that shit ASAP.  you're killing hip hop in you're own world (seriously).  Rappers like Dolla (rip) should be able to do tha mainstream thing and not have 2 worry about tha negative feedback that comes with tha territory.  im for tha youngin's makin tracks like "Red Money Jeans".  it's not like companies are putting shit out there that doesn't appeal to people or isn't selling (so what if it's poppish, fuck it, make money- that's the most important thing)  Turn to the BETJ channel if u want that real shit like they used 2 put on blast back in 98'.  They play classics and new classics all day everyday (neo soul and rnb).



  CLASSIC!  lol

what's a "new classic"? coming from you i know you don't mean Joe Budden lol.

it's not that i want to hear old, classic music; i can listen to that all the time.

it's new guys coming up trying to rap. if there is no money there for them, regardless how good they are, they aren't going to do it. 10-15 years ago rap sold millions of copies an album; rap was the shit to cop. a bangin' beat with hardcore, deep lyrics over it.

now it's a corny, 10 dollar beat that anybody could make & a catchy hook that people are hooked into. i don't even know why people who make that music make verses, i mean people don't give a fuck what they are saying in the verse, there just boppin' there head to the hook lol.


so


u really do take YOUR opinion way too serious.  you shouldn't let tha dubb/the internet or yourself determine wats good and wats not when it comes 2 tha masses and wat people want/need to hear. 





everybody on this board has already determined your an idiot who knows nothing, but you don't seem to listen to what they have to say about you; so why should i listen to them about music? although, 90% of this board (i think) would agree with what i'm saying here.

i hated get your walk on.



is this all u wanna hear?  fuck that

lol, that's the best link you have ever posted; keep them coming like that! ;) 8)
 

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lol u wouldent kno good rap if it was right in front of your eyes...like it just was