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what's missing is more black americans on boards like these.  i didn't know The Game was average and niggaz like Consequence were the only "real" MC's out there and anything that comes from tha south is wack (or has to be over analyzed and hated on/un hip hop if they dont come out rhyming like Kid Cudi).  that's what's missing, some of y'all have dry taste in rap and have a limited ear and reference point.  atleast when i say i dont like an artist i dont go on ranting and raving talking about how i feel and shit and i;ll give em they props... emo ass niggaz always gotta get tha last word lol.   but like i said... more americans and more blacks- that way we'll get a good overall balance and view of opinions, not just hate and dickriding from ppl that aren't even close to their favorite rappers turf.  



go head say what y'all wanna say, ur lame if u think going on somebody on tha internet gives u respect or credibility.  lol


http://www.myspace.com/wadzofficial  i guess this is the only version of Hip Hop worth saving huh?



and Game's name dropping is what makes him a Hip Hop classic.
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not everybody is still talking about tha "hit maker" vs. "mc" battle like that anymore.  that shit is old, get your money or get your rank, simple as that.  even tha biggest hip hop heads i know are on that shit.  and niggaz BEEN stopped givin' a fuck about the TV and Radio... i thought y'all knew?
 

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Game's flow is determined by which rapper he is trying to copy. :laugh:
 

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Game is one of the best vocalists because he, unlike so many other artists, can switch up his voice as in he can change how he sounds and consequently his flow.  I've heard Game spit from at least 5 different vocals and all of'em have been dope.   From his early Shyne days to his regular voice to his Dr.Dre voice to his Nas voice to his drunk voice and now his Rick Ross voice.  All of'em sound dope.

Name dropping is not classic.  Get off his nuts.  You're just a hyprocite who thinks they're taking a higher battle by stating irrelevant bullshit.  Radiotube, you're on a fucking message board. You realize that, right?
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T.I. & Ludacris have the best flows outta mainstream popular rappers today

Off top, I can't disagree too much.  Luda absolutely rapes beats.  And I've spoken on TI enough, but there is no denyin he does have a very dope flow.  He knows how to ride a beat.
 

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if you concider Chamillionaire mainstream, their is no contest. ;) ;D 8)
 

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damn i left for a couple of days and jay, cham, xzibit still slaughterin that youtube wack master
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damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts more then getting the swine flu
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im on a message board with people who think most of the world co-signs with 99% of the shit they think.  if hip hop was in a world like y'all imagine it is then the game would've been changed already.... years ago (EASILY).  no1 cares about y'all perticular opinions.  like i've said b4, this board is white foreigners who deep down on tha inside want Asher Roth to be the next Eminem or 2Pac and believe Ronald Reagan was tha greatest president in US History.  Real Hip Hop lives in the South (that's where it came from)... anything else is just a new rendition of what the (i hate this word) slaves used to do all tha time back in tha day.  who cares about wat i think Illmatic is (off of the facts) and who gives a shit that you think Young Joc isn't hot (numbers don't lie, and people still think Jordan is the greatest... for now).  Obviously he sells enuff records and has been maintaining a good name 4 tha past 4/5 years so obviously he's done something right and isn't that bad of a rapper. 

let's all attack RadioTube! bcuz the guy is always far left against what we think... i get it... y'all r tryna break me or put me in a bitchmade box... not gonna happen.  i speak 4 tha crowd that y'all speak against.  Tha only problem is that my army is bigger and more relevant today than your team is (and im not JUSt talking about the younger generation).  there's room for all sides of hip hop in this game... like my man Soulja said "why they hatin' on me"... i'll always be tha difference i guess and that's fine it's only like 15 of u crackers who post on here anyways... not a big deal.  u'll make like 2pages tryin 2 defend your shit and go on me but then when 1 of tha niggaz u hate on releases an album they always tend to sell more than your favorite rapper (which most have all about tha same promo, u can get anything on tha net these days). Not to mention they get more love from "the people" all over the world.

if you're still mad about how the industry carries shit then like my man Gucci say "go independent".  and like i say if u don't like the way shit sounds then do it ya god dam self and do it better. and im gonna send ur computer a fuckin' virus the nexx time some1 says that radio/tv bullshit.  stop being so cheap and buy an mp3 player and the music channel for your tv.  if any1 else says anymore shit about the industry politics and everything under that category im gonna send ur computer a fuckin virus.  http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh4Ssyh3n4IZFNBGoM buy this fuckin dvd so u can relate to another black guy and make urself feel like ur part of the hip hop culture y'all fuckers sound like this bitch on tha chorus get outta tha fuckin' lane if all u gonna do is complain.  u judge and hoe... enuff said
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The Game has that same, slow flow on almost every track, rarely switches it up.











Game is one of the best vocalists because he, unlike so many other artists, can switch up his voice as in he can change how he sounds and consequently his flow.  I've heard Game spit from at least 5 different vocals and all of'em have been dope.   From his early Shyne days to his regular voice to his Dr.Dre voice to his Nas voice to his drunk voice and now his Rick Ross voice.  All of'em sound dope.

Name dropping is not classic.  Get off his nuts.  You're just a hyprocite who thinks they're taking a higher battle by stating irrelevant bullshit.  Radiotube, you're on a fucking message board. You realize that, right?

exactly. Only time Game changes his flow is when he's copying someone else. Anyone can copy another rappers flow.
 

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im on a message board with people who think most of the world co-signs with 99% of the shit they think.  if hip hop was in a world like y'all imagine it is then the game would've been changed already.... years ago (EASILY).  no1 cares about y'all perticular opinions.  like i've said b4, this board is white foreigners who deep down on tha inside want Asher Roth to be the next Eminem or 2Pac and believe Ronald Reagan was tha greatest president in US History.  Real Hip Hop lives in the South (that's where it came from)... anything else is just a new rendition of what the (i hate this word) slaves used to do all tha time back in tha day.  who cares about wat i think Illmatic is (off of the facts) and who gives a shit that you think Young Joc isn't hot (numbers don't lie, and people still think Jordan is the greatest... for now).  Obviously he sells enuff records and has been maintaining a good name 4 tha past 4/5 years so obviously he's done something right and isn't that bad of a rapper. 

let's all attack RadioTube! bcuz the guy is always far left against what we think... i get it... y'all r tryna break me or put me in a bitchmade box... not gonna happen.  i speak 4 tha crowd that y'all speak against.  Tha only problem is that my army is bigger and more relevant today than your team is (and im not JUSt talking about the younger generation).  there's room for all sides of hip hop in this game... like my man Soulja said "why they hatin' on me"... i'll always be tha difference i guess and that's fine it's only like 15 of u crackers who post on here anyways... not a big deal.  u'll make like 2pages tryin 2 defend your shit and go on me but then when 1 of tha niggaz u hate on releases an album they always tend to sell more than your favorite rapper (which most have all about tha same promo, u can get anything on tha net these days). Not to mention they get more love from "the people" all over the world.

if you're still mad about how the industry carries shit then like my man Gucci say "go independent".  and like i say if u don't like the way shit sounds then do it ya god dam self and do it better. and im gonna send ur computer a fuckin' virus the nexx time some1 says that radio/tv bullshit.  stop being so cheap and buy an mp3 player and the music channel for your tv.  if any1 else says anymore shit about the industry politics and everything under that category im gonna send ur computer a fuckin virus.  http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh4Ssyh3n4IZFNBGoM buy this fuckin dvd so u can relate to another black guy and make urself feel like ur part of the hip hop culture y'all fuckers sound like this bitch on tha chorus get outta tha fuckin' lane if all u gonna do is complain.  u judge and hoe... enuff said

lmao did you just say hip hop came from the south?

Stop trying to use sales to prove your favorite rappers aren't shitty. By your own logic Vanilla Ice, Kris Kross and MC Hammer are better rappers than anyone from the south. 

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1 of tha niggaz u hate on releases an album they always tend to sell more than your favorite rapper

Not really. Actually they've sold less. I can use your own fucking point against you. Wu Tang has sold more albums then Lil Wayne (or anyone else you want to bring up) will probably ever sell in their entire career.
 

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i agree. they also lack lyrics
 

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Great post jrome, i was going to make a post similar to yours but just a lil different.

I dont think FLOW is exactly the biggest problem in the game, i think its improvising your flow to a beat and still being creative with that flow. I hear the same flow on every beat these days, nooe listening to how teh beat works etc.

Sure hitting the drum at the end of the loop is still important but i feel rappers have moved on past that to trying to flow past it. like they hit the drum on 1-2-3 but then miss 4 to make the flow stand out and then hit 5 to make there words and flow stand out.

However i dont hear niggaz spitting like black rob did on whoa, like xzibit did back when he was younger, hell, i wont even mention snoop because dude has one of the best flows ever when he is on game.

So for me, its not exactly flow thats the problem, i think its improvising your flow to be creative with the beat and trying different things which has changed. I hear alot of generic flows these days. A cat like banks on his albums is a good example, dudes album were garbage because even though he could spit alot of nice multis, dude always had the same flow pretty much and was never saying shit.

As for cats with great flow...Ludacris is a serious cat when is comes to flow. Game has a dope flow, sure he does immitate greats when he flows but who doesnt. Eminem spits like pac alot but noone mentions it. 50 tries spitting like pac back in the day or then he went on to ll and then he went onto mase etc. So alot of rappers copy or are influenced by past rappers but game does have great vocal presense. His flow is not ALWAYS great but he does have great vocal presense and came come great on a beat.

But there are better, like luda, snoops flow when he is on fire is ridiculous, t.i...though im not the biggest fan got a nice flow. Nas' flow has always been slightly underrated. Xzibit...chamlillionaire, even jigga has his own unique energy/live music sounding flow.

Good read still jrome  8)

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Great post jrome, i was going to make a post similar to yours but just a lil different.

I dont think FLOW is exactly the biggest problem in the game, i think its improvising your flow to a beat and still being creative with that flow. I hear the same flow on every beat these days, nooe listening to how teh beat works etc.

Sure hitting the drum at the end of the loop is still important but i feel rappers have moved on past that to trying to flow past it. like they hit the drum on 1-2-3 but then miss 4 to make the flow stand out and then hit 5 to make there words and flow stand out.

However i dont hear niggaz spitting like black rob did on whoa, like xzibit did back when he was younger, hell, i wont even mention snoop because dude has one of the best flows ever when he is on game.

So for me, its not exactly flow thats the problem, i think its improvising your flow to be creative with the beat and trying different things which has changed. I hear alot of generic flows these days. A cat like banks on his albums is a good example, dudes album were garbage because even though he could spit alot of nice multis, dude always had the same flow pretty much and was never saying shit.

As for cats with great flow...Ludacris is a serious cat when is comes to flow. Game has a dope flow, sure he does immitate greats when he flows but who doesnt. Eminem spits like pac alot but noone mentions it. 50 tries spitting like pac back in the day or then he went on to ll and then he went onto mase etc. So alot of rappers copy or are influenced by past rappers but game does have great vocal presense. His flow is not ALWAYS great but he does have great vocal presense and came come great on a beat.

But there are better, like luda, snoops flow when he is on fire is ridiculous, t.i...though im not the biggest fan got a nice flow. Nas' flow has always been slightly underrated. Xzibit...chamlillionaire, even jigga has his own unique energy/live music sounding flow.

Good read still jrome  8)

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there's only ever been in tha history of hip hop been a handful of rappers with unique/diverse/whatever-you're-trying-to-say flows.  what you're pretty much saying is that everybody from 81'-01' only had the most unique flows/swagger on the mic (from wat i know of your character).  so wat if a rapper talk flows on tha track, wat is they saying that counts, and half of tha time not even that (you can only do so many renditions of songs- conscience; whatever).  i just think you don't give anybody new a chance and that's cool, i'm like Jada i need to hear a bigger body of work to judge you b4 i call u 1 of tha greatest, which was wat i was saying about "illmatic" and it only have 9 songs but y'all refused to think thru about wat i was gettin at. 

it sounds like some of y'all over analyze this game way too much.  it ain't all technical, it's more all about tha feeling truely (even when it was just rapping on tha corner back in tha 70s/80s).  there's just a big misunderstanding/misconception about hip hop and music in general.  y'all r saying its about this and that (which is cool, have your opinion) but it's not really about that and that.  Hip Hop isn't missing anything but better/broader representation on the TV and Radio *but that's nothing*, other than that what more could u ask for?  you got tha history and the future in hip hop records (everything's covered as far as social commentary and "what's hip" for today) you got tha "arguments", you got tha stars, you got tha awards, you got diversity.  i think y'all don't even know wat ur talking about really.

and last as far as flow is concerned, back then Hip Hop was still in it's fresh/baby/expansion-growing stages- so you didn't really have a true base/foundation on what was shitty and what was gritty and what was gonna stand tha test of time) now it's just only matured and it has many genres in it's self but it's all tha same really.  so most of wat you hear nowadays is just as good, you gotta look past the mixing and the styles & accents & THE region and blogging and feel it for yourself.  Most of all you have to humble yourself, if you dont have that humbleness or understanding (if u kno wat i'm saying) you'll be listening to a modern day gem and be shitting on the shine.  when you're 80 years old trust me, you'll have expanded your mind by then, u'll fight me on that now but you'll fuck wit me on that in a few decades.  Hip Hop listeners were taught to be immature about the what is what of Hip Hop.

- the grown folks (30 and up) is trippin' off this song up here, i've heard about this so many times in tha clubs.  there's no way you can convince me otherwise (on how the people feel about today's game).  and plz refraim from the conscience/lyricism argument, that's played out and so untrue.

- people actually fuck with this song, and i aint mad at em and i cant blame em... i do 2 and i c y.  im not saying YOU have 2 but you can't deny greatness/success.





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I swear every post of yours is just an excuse for you to link to some shitty song. Did you read my last post at all? For the last time, success does not equal greatness. The success of an artist does not determine lyrical ability. By your retarded logic Vanilla Ice is better than any southern rapper, and Britney Spears is better than the entire hip hop genre.
 

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His last post wasn't that bad and wasn't really an excuse for posting shitty songs. When Radiotube expressed his opinion in a different fashion as in the last post I, for the most part, agree with him.  I don't think hip-hop isn't missing anything or at least I'm not convinced it's dead.  That's always been my stance.   I'd like to see it being represented better on the radio so the majority of people see the greatness of it instead of it being limited to club and gangster music.   But, thanks to the internet people can find these artists - if they're so willing.

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so most of wat you hear nowadays is just as good, you gotta look past the mixing and the styles & accents & THE region and blogging and feel it for yourself.

No one's talking about mixing or styles or accents. We're talking about skills.
Here's a sample from that song you linked too:

I got a question why they hatin on me,
I got a question why they hatin on me
I aint did nuthin to em, but count this money
And put my team on, now my whole clic stunnin
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Boy wassup, yeeeea

Those are rhymes my five year old nephew could write. If you honestly believe those are good lyrics then you shouldn't be commenting on this topic. Yeah a bunch of kids like that song. Yeah its getting spins. That doesn't make it GOOD. This is the only point I'm trying to make. I've got no problem with a kid like Soulja Boy selling records and making his money, but ignorant cats like radiotube run around trying to claim that he's good and that shit pisses me off.

 

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so most of wat you hear nowadays is just as good, you gotta look past the mixing and the styles & accents & THE region and blogging and feel it for yourself.

No one's talking about mixing or styles or accents. We're talking about skills.
Here's a sample from that song you linked too:

I got a question why they hatin on me,
I got a question why they hatin on me
I aint did nuthin to em, but count this money
And put my team on, now my whole clic stunnin
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Boy wassup, yeeeea

Those are rhymes my five year old nephew could write. If you honestly believe those are good lyrics then you shouldn't be commenting on this topic. Yeah a bunch of kids like that song. Yeah its getting spins. That doesn't make it GOOD. This is the only point I'm trying to make. I've got no problem with a kid like Soulja Boy selling records and making his money, but ignorant cats like radiotube run around trying to claim that he's good and that shit pisses me off.





Booger-snotsodie, stop looking for any old excuse to say whatever.  a debate on who has the best lyrical content is 1 thing but hate/saying dumb shit outchur mouth is another. if u live in the REAL WORLD, then you would already be aware adults of all ages/races/creeds like that song just as much as the kids do.  but u'r probably white, with a circle of people that's majority caucasian who don't really listen 2 rap like u or i do, and if u have any black friends they're probably 1 of those rock dudes.  but this ain't battle about who is the most street between me and u, that's irrelevant.  all im saying is who gives a fuck that in every song a rapper isn't rapping like Twista or spittin' bars like Cassidy or Eminem?  i think you're just looking for answers to questions that burn your little heart out or your looking for something 2 do.  y'all stay tryna pick a fight lol but it doesn't work, all i end up doing is educating people who share similar views as you (naive views).  im not tryna make a deep intellectual debate every single time we differ on opinon (which seems to be everytime btw, it can't just be me).  and last (for tonight and probably forever) like i said, that lyrical lyricism debate is dead... get limewire, get an iPod, better yet get on YouTube! or simmer thru myspace, you're bound 2 find the fresh new talent that you've never had.  stop dreaming and living off of that Hip Hop Is Dead CD, there's very few in your cult.  and "ice cream" by rae was some shit my 16 year old lil nigga from up tha street could make up, so kill that little kid shit.





let your collection from the 90's get some dust and pick up those albums and mixtapes from 2000-2009, you'll find classics and timeless music all day... tha realness.  tha past 9 years of Hip Hop can't be that bad and everything before that was better than everything today, you're just obviously not looking for it, it's not hard, atleast that's wat y'all/u make it look like.  (same goes 4 anybody)  you see Enyce bitch ass ain't in here talkin that dum shit, bitch hands probably too sticky to type and he tryna get them keys unstuck from all that xvideos.com shit he be lookin' at.  that bitch only jump in when everybody already knee deep.
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so most of wat you hear nowadays is just as good, you gotta look past the mixing and the styles & accents & THE region and blogging and feel it for yourself.

No one's talking about mixing or styles or accents. We're talking about skills.
Here's a sample from that song you linked too:

I got a question why they hatin on me,
I got a question why they hatin on me
I aint did nuthin to em, but count this money
And put my team on, now my whole clic stunnin
Boy wassup, yeeeea
Boy wassup, yeeeea

Those are rhymes my five year old nephew could write. If you honestly believe those are good lyrics then you shouldn't be commenting on this topic. Yeah a bunch of kids like that song. Yeah its getting spins. That doesn't make it GOOD. This is the only point I'm trying to make. I've got no problem with a kid like Soulja Boy selling records and making his money, but ignorant cats like radiotube run around trying to claim that he's good and that shit pisses me off.





Booger-snotsodie, stop looking for any old excuse to say whatever.  a debate on who has the best lyrical content is 1 thing but hate/saying dumb shit outchur mouth is another. if u live in the REAL WORLD, then you would already be aware adults of all ages/races/creeds like that song just as much as the kids do.  but u'r probably white, with a circle of people that's majority caucasian who don't really listen 2 rap like u or i do, and if u have any black friends they're probably 1 of those rock dudes.  but this ain't battle about who is the most street between me and u, that's irrelevant.  all im saying is who gives a fuck that in every song a rapper isn't rapping like Twista or spittin' bars like Cassidy or Eminem?  i think you're just looking for answers to questions that burn your little heart out or your looking for something 2 do.  y'all stay tryna pick a fight lol but it doesn't work, all i end up doing is educating people who share similar views as you (naive views).  im not tryna make a deep intellectual debate every single time we differ on opinon (which seems to be everytime btw, it can't just be me).  and last (for tonight and probably forever) like i said, that lyrical lyricism debate is dead... get limewire, get an iPod, better yet get on YouTube! or simmer thru myspace, you're bound 2 find the fresh new talent that you've never had.  stop dreaming and living off of that Hip Hop Is Dead CD, there's very few in your cult.  and "ice cream" by rae was some shit my 16 year old lil nigga from up tha street could make up, so kill that little kid shit.



let your collection from the 90's get some dust and pick up those albums and mixtapes from 2000-2009, you'll find classics and timeless music all day... tha realness.  tha past 9 years of Hip Hop can't be that bad and everything before that was better than everything today, you're just obviously not looking for it, it's not hard, atleast that's wat y'all/u make it look like.  (same goes 4 anybody)  you see Enyce bitch ass ain't in here talkin that dum shit, bitch hands probably too sticky to type and he tryna get them keys unstuck from all that xvideos.com shit he be lookin' at.  that bitch only jump in when everybody already knee deep.

I already told you I'm black. And what the fuck does my race matter anyways? You think rappers like Soulja Boy are making music for black people? Funny you talk about the streets. Soulja Boy isn't from the streets. He's from the suburbs. He makes music for the suburban white kids. The same white people you say shouldn't be talking about hip hop. Yeah that's right, they're the reason he's hot right now.

For the record I've never said the 90s is better or worse than the music today. I've got mixtapes and albums from all eras of hip hop. There's tons of good rappers out today. Soulja Boy isn't one of them.

And grown folk don't bump Soulja Boy, get off his nuts. How would I know? Because I'm grown and I'm around them. You're not, no matter what you claim. I don't give a fuck how old you claim to be, I KNOW you're a 90s baby. No one older than that could be so ignorant. Plus you just said booger-snotsodie.

You make the most ignorant comments on here like Gucci Mane could make an illmatic, hip hop came from the south, etc. We get it, you like Southern dick. Must be that good old Southern hospitality you crave. Which brings up the question, why the fuck do you hang around here on a west coast forum, especially when not a single person here likes you or feels what you have to say? Do you like being a mark?

I only pick a fight with you when you say stupid shit. Is it my fault that you say stupid shit on almost every post? If you've got a problem with me go over to Entertainment and Gaming or Train of Thought cause I don't roll there. But don't give me any grief because I can back up my opinion and you can't.

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While I don't listen to soulja boy or gucci man because I don't find them to be good or entertaining I can't say they're not hip-hop.  I mean this shit started off with kool herc breaking to have a good time.  People got down.  Hence, b-boys exist.  It's an essential element to hip-hop that most of this southern movement has focused back on.   I guess if we got technical the lack of breaks, sampling, and scratching could limit them for being classified as hip-hop.   

It's an interesting argument.  Don't let your feelings get caught up.
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Who said Soulja Boy isn't hip hop? The kid's rhymes are weak is all i said. You gotta feel me on that.
 

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Who said Soulja Boy isn't hip hop? The kid's rhymes are weak is all i said. You gotta feel me on that.

No, man, we're on the same page when it comes to the quality of rapping.  I don't really think you and radiotube are arguing about the same thign.  If I may simplify the argument, Tube is just telling everyone to shut up and get over it because it's really easy to find those technically skilled rappers out there now and you don't have to rely on the radio.   Where as you are saying that the mainstream aren't the most powerful rappers or they're not even MC's.  Really I don't disagree with either of you because you both speak a truth. 

I still think the media has a responsibility to the public in its presentation of information from news to music.  If it were attempting to do its job at a high caliber we'd see the diversity of hip-hop.  And, this is where Radiotube would say it's irrelevant because we have the internet and if we the people really wanted to listen to the diversity of hip-hop the radio would adopt to the masses. 

At least that's what I think radiotube and you are arguing.
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