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So Trauma, Jesus was just a prophet and not God himself right? -{bLaDe}
Quote from: .:[b L a D e]:. on October 23, 2002, 02:56:30 PMSo Trauma, Jesus was just a prophet and not God himself right? -{bLaDe}NO He was a prophet, and the son of god.
Quote from: .: PinkTowelGirl :. on October 22, 2002, 11:48:09 PMQuote from: King Trauma on October 22, 2002, 11:30:51 PM^^^ That's what catholics believe, because theydon't believe Mary would have sex. I believe that Joseph and Mary simply had more kids after Jesus, all born naturally (James, Judas, etc.). the catholic church was the first christian church... so you are basically telling me that... our belief are wrong..... because thats what the catholics belief... we believe it because it is true.... the VIRGIN mary was also the first christian and the mother of the church.............. remember..... she was christ first follower... she was a virgin at the time of Jesus's birth. However, after that, she had kids, normally concieved. Just because she was a virgin when he was born doesn't mean it makes her any less of a person if she had sex AFTER he was born. Catholics want to make it out that she was always a virgin, and there's no reason for that... So they say Jesus's "brothers" must have been from Josephs previious marriage. Well, that doesn't make any sense, because if Joseph wasn't Jesus's true father, how would they be his brothers? They wouldn't even be related except by marriage. Since it mentions them as his brothers, they must have 1 parent in common, and since it can't be Joseph, it must be Mary. Why would you believe that a married woman would NEVER have sex anyways? That's rediculous... it goes back to the catholic belief that Sex is somethign dirty and undignifying.
Quote from: King Trauma on October 22, 2002, 11:30:51 PM^^^ That's what catholics believe, because theydon't believe Mary would have sex. I believe that Joseph and Mary simply had more kids after Jesus, all born naturally (James, Judas, etc.). the catholic church was the first christian church... so you are basically telling me that... our belief are wrong..... because thats what the catholics belief... we believe it because it is true.... the VIRGIN mary was also the first christian and the mother of the church.............. remember..... she was christ first follower...
^^^ That's what catholics believe, because theydon't believe Mary would have sex. I believe that Joseph and Mary simply had more kids after Jesus, all born naturally (James, Judas, etc.).
^^^ Not to be disrespectfull or anything but just cuz tha Catholic Church says so, doesn't mean everyone is gonna agree. And just because it's been around so long, doesn't make it the "right" religion. And half tha people on this board dont even believe in God so you can't be too surprised that someone is gonna disagree with you.Trauma's Mormon. That's what they believe. And to tell you tha truth, I agree with most tha stuff he's been sayin on this thread. And to Infinite's questions, about God being equal to God and whether or not God should be praised? Simple answer, maybe not to you or Trauma but some poeple believe so... It's all on tha person and what they feel is right.
Well, sounds like I have a lot to say : LOLFirst, to Infinite, thanks for being at least respectful. Yes, Christ should be worshipped, and is the Son of god. While Mormons dont' believe that Christ, the Father, and the Holy ghost are 1 in a trinity sense (parts of the same thing), they do believe that all 3 are seperate beings, but one in their perfection. All 3 are viewed as 'god', but are different people, so if you want to take that to mean that we worship many gods, so be it. Remember, at Jesus' baptism, he was there, the holy ghost was there, and God was there. How is this possible, if they're not all 3 different entities? Remember in the Garden of Gessemene, he prayed to his father, to know the will of the father (Father, remove this cup, but nevertheless, not my will, by thy will be done)... if they were part of the same entity, he would have known his father's will. It's just obvious to me, that in the bible, you're talking with 3 different entities, the son, the father, and the holy ghost. M Dogg & Pink: Do you honestly think the catholic church has remained the same for 1800 years? Are you crazy? Have you guys not looked into this? It's NOTHING like it originally was. The bible has been slaughtered, entire books deleted from it by the catholic church, because they didn't agree with what they said. About Mary in particular, she was probably the greatest woman that ever lived (She WAS chosen to be Jesus's mom, right? She must have raised him perfectly, what a woman). That doesn't mean that she had to be a virgin to do it! The reason Jesus's siblings aren't talked about in the earlier parts of his life are... because JESUS himself isn't talked about! Find me scriptures of Jesus as a child... the only one I know of is When he was teaching in the temple at a young age, and his mom scolded him, he told her he was "About his fathers work". Joseph and Mary had children after Jesus was born, just like any normal family. Do you honestly think Mary would never make love with her husband, her entire life? Why? What is good about that? M Dogg, you said she was "the perfect person" why does she have to be a virgin her whole life to be perfect? It's obviously god's plan for us to have sex in our families, there's only been what, Adam, Eve, and Jesus created without Sex throughout the world? There's nothing wrong with Sex, and I certainly wouldn't consider Mary a lesser person if later in her life she had children. There's nothing wrong with that. As for Mormons attacking your ancestors, well, I'm sorry that they did. I won't even doubt it, even though I don't know the validity of what you said. Maybe all that and more happened, but those are the people of a religion, not the religion. Nothing about my religion teaches to harm people. On the other hand, ask around about what the catholic religion has done to people in other countries. Just as it would be unfair for me to judge you as a catholic, because of what some catholic did 200 years ago, it is very unfair for you to hate all latter day saints, just because they did something bad to your ancestors 200 years ago. Next: You say there is no documentation of Jesus coming to america. Yes there is, the book of mormon for one, but if you dont' want to believe that, go to central america, and check out the pyramids and temples there. You'll see that synonomous through all of them is the worship of the great feathered serpent. The feathered serpent always has 11 feathers (representing the 11 apostles Christ left after his death)... the serpent is feathered, because like a serpent, Christ descended beneath the ground, and like a serpent with feathers, flew back to heaven.. there is TONS of symbolism in central america, YOU'RE HOMELAND that points to the worship of christ by the ancients, there are scenes of Mayans passing the sacrament just like I do every sunday, there are scenes carved of Mayans wearing white temple robes, there's even a stella depicting a man sitting in a cave, holding plates, and speaking the word of god (which is depicting Ether, the most ancient part of the book of mormon).But you don't want to hear that, do you? YOu'd rather say your church is right, and it's been the same for 2000 years. You'd rather not think about the evidence that might exist in central america pointing to christ in america. You'd rather not read the book of mormon, where it explains and shows through documented history all of this. How can you blame my church for killing your ancestors, when there were only a few thousand of them at that time? There were millions of Catholics killing your ancestors, 100 years before that! Are you daft?
The Bible goes into many details of Jesus's early life. Like him getting lost in the market, and asking many question of the older men. Jesus's was taught how to be a man from Joseph, and he was an old man. Mary was never said to have any other kids, and if she did, that would be written. The books taken from the Bible were repeating books that never went into detail about what happened.As for Jesus walking in the Americans, NO. Now Jesus and Mary coming to the Americas and being seen in visions, well yeah. As a Mexican American, I do believe in the vision of the Virgin de Guadalupe and Juan Diego. Now for the Mayans, and what not, they might have saw visions, not quite sure, I'm Aztec Piute and Apache, not Mayan, but all of the tribes we come from agree with the Catholic faith.And yes, Protestans took out many books. The books Catholics don't use are ones that repeat what they have already, and don't go into the same detail. I did the research. And finally, I told you, NEVER, EVER say anything about the Virgin to most Latina. She is too important to our culture, and traditional Latinas hold her in the highest reguards possible. She is called the Virgin, and to us, that means just that. Until Jesus comes down and says differently, then we can say.The difference in the religions is that Catholics killed Natives in the name of Spain or Portigual, well Catholic priest came and helped the Natives hear the word of the Lord. Mormons came in the name of Christ, and they killed in his name, therefore using the Lords name in vain. Do I care about that history, not really, white people killed Native Americans for years. Nothing knew, just different religion, and different excuse.
I don't want to argue about it anymore, i'm sure you have just as many reasons for being catholic as I do for being mormon. You've stated your opinions, and M Dogg, much love always, Even if we disagree I know we're still friends... but Pink, you need to grow up, and not get into childish crap like calling it 'the book of moron'... you're really not very mature, and you don't understand the nature of faith, from your comments. Maybe if you would start treating people with respect, you'd have a little better time at life. Peace~
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