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Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
« Reply #150 on: July 02, 2009, 04:54:03 PM »
^LOL barely.

for a West Coast board Crooked is highly hated.

to the point where i am a "dick sucking groupie", when Crooked I isn't even in my own personal top 10 lol.

their isn't anyone groupie enough to make it clear that i am just a casual Crooked I fan who respects the music he puts out.

i just defend the point he should be one of the best; but i am by no means ride or die Crooked I.
 

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« Reply #151 on: July 02, 2009, 09:19:53 PM »
shittttt. ... id think bout it if he actually drop a solo album goddamn
 

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« Reply #152 on: July 02, 2009, 10:08:46 PM »
lol in the other thread you guys are saying 2Pac is better than Nas based on his albums. Hypocrites.
 

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« Reply #153 on: July 02, 2009, 10:44:50 PM »
lol in the other thread you guys are saying 2Pac is better than Nas based on his albums. Hypocrites.

because they both put albums out, so when you compare them you compare their albums.

i mean, i am also willing to say all of Pac's best "off the album" shit >>> Nas's.

but when you are debating a rapper who has no albums you use what you got, which just happens to be at least a hundred songs. :stupid:

i wouldn't say Pac >>> J. Cole because Pac has an album, but all of Pac's songs (album or not) are better than anything he has put out (album or not).

but when you have two accomplished artists like Pac & Nas & they both have multiple albums you might as well compare them based off of their albums.

the fact Crooked I is a clear top 50 rapper & that's based off of non-album material speaks volumes on what he's put in. 8)
 

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« Reply #154 on: July 02, 2009, 11:00:51 PM »
lol in the other thread you guys are saying 2Pac is better than Nas based on his albums. Hypocrites.

because they both put albums out, so when you compare them you compare their albums.

i mean, i am also willing to say all of Pac's best "off the album" shit >>> Nas's.

but when you are debating a rapper who has no albums you use what you got, which just happens to be at least a hundred songs. :stupid:

i wouldn't say Pac >>> J. Cole because Pac has an album, but all of Pac's songs (album or not) are better than anything he has put out (album or not).

but when you have two accomplished artists like Pac & Nas & they both have multiple albums you might as well compare them based off of their albums.

the fact Crooked I is a clear top 50 rapper & that's based off of non-album material speaks volumes on what he's put in. 8)

I didn't see you or anyone else comparing songs on that thread.

And you haven't even spoke on Pac and Nas's non-album material, which makes up a great portion of their work. All I heard was this album >> that album. Nice try, I still call hypocrite.
 

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Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
« Reply #155 on: July 02, 2009, 11:46:22 PM »
the work on this album >>> the work on that album. :stupid:

the songs on this album >>> the songs on that album. :stupid:

Pac's best songs on four albums >>> Nas's best songs on four albums.  :stupid:

HENCE Tupac >>> Nas.

it's clear that nothing is going to convince you that Crooked I isn't a top 50 rapper all time, that is fine with me; i tried to explain things to you, you're not even allowing my thoughts to make sense in your head, whatever fine.

we're just going to have to agree to disagree. ;)
 

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« Reply #156 on: July 02, 2009, 11:50:18 PM »
I don't agree to that
 

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« Reply #157 on: July 03, 2009, 12:08:14 AM »
I don't agree to that

lmao, to what?
 

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« Reply #158 on: July 03, 2009, 12:10:41 AM »
Are you flirting with Me again?
 

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« Reply #159 on: July 03, 2009, 12:11:16 AM »
Are you flirting with Me again?

LMAO, what?

what don't you agree on? ??? :D
 

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« Reply #160 on: July 06, 2009, 04:27:10 PM »
the work on this album >>> the work on that album. :stupid:

the songs on this album >>> the songs on that album. :stupid:

Pac's best songs on four albums >>> Nas's best songs on four albums.  :stupid:

HENCE Tupac >>> Nas.

it's clear that nothing is going to convince you that Crooked I isn't a top 50 rapper all time, that is fine with me; i tried to explain things to you, you're not even allowing my thoughts to make sense in your head, whatever fine.

we're just going to have to agree to disagree. ;)

exactly. No one's comparing all the songs they have made. Both Pac and Nas have tons of songs outside of the ones released on their albums. Instead we are comparing the quality of their albums, and only their best ones at that.

You and Hack are making the argument that you could take the 15 best Crooked I songs and make a good album out of it. That would be true, if you ignore the fact that he's using recycled beats. However, that doesn't prove consistency, nor does it prove he is capable of making a great album on his own. I could also say that if we took Snoop's best songs and condensed it down to five albums, his discography would be a lot stronger and he would be seen as a better rapper. Hell, I could say that for any rapper. But we don't see things that way. He has to actually release the album on his own to prove he can make a great album.

And speaking on his use of other people's beats....if Nas's next album re-used the beats from the 15 hottest songs at the moment, would we be calling it a great album? Hell nah, we'd be questioning his lack of creativity. If Nas made an album entirely of freestyles, would we call it a great album? I seriously doubt it, because no matter how many sick lines he had its still just random rhymes thrown together with nothing holding them together. Crooked I's freestyle series proved he can spit. But it didn't prove that he's a great rapper. That's what the albums are for.
 

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Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
« Reply #161 on: July 06, 2009, 04:48:36 PM »
^c'mon now, if Nas went to the lab & took 15 exisiting beats & made a freestyle with 3 verses for each; then just transfered the words from his freestyles over exisiting beats onto original beats; i would make a billion dollar bet you could not tell me what beat he originally spit over.

if Crooked I would have just taken the verses (not the beats) & sold them & said "uhh, yeah, this is "BOSS"; it would be concidered a GREAT/near classic album.
 

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« Reply #162 on: July 06, 2009, 04:56:46 PM »
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers



« Last Edit: July 06, 2009, 04:58:28 PM by HACK WILSON »
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Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
« Reply #163 on: July 06, 2009, 04:57:07 PM »
the work on this album >>> the work on that album. :stupid:

the songs on this album >>> the songs on that album. :stupid:

Pac's best songs on four albums >>> Nas's best songs on four albums.  :stupid:

HENCE Tupac >>> Nas.

it's clear that nothing is going to convince you that Crooked I isn't a top 50 rapper all time, that is fine with me; i tried to explain things to you, you're not even allowing my thoughts to make sense in your head, whatever fine.

we're just going to have to agree to disagree. ;)

exactly. No one's comparing all the songs they have made. Both Pac and Nas have tons of songs outside of the ones released on their albums. Instead we are comparing the quality of their albums, and only their best ones at that.

You and Hack are making the argument that you could take the 15 best Crooked I songs and make a good album out of it. That would be true, if you ignore the fact that he's using recycled beats. However, that doesn't prove consistency, nor does it prove he is capable of making a great album on his own. I could also say that if we took Snoop's best songs and condensed it down to five albums, his discography would be a lot stronger and he would be seen as a better rapper. Hell, I could say that for any rapper. But we don't see things that way. He has to actually release the album on his own to prove he can make a great album.

And speaking on his use of other people's beats....if Nas's next album re-used the beats from the 15 hottest songs at the moment, would we be calling it a great album? Hell nah, we'd be questioning his lack of creativity. If Nas made an album entirely of freestyles, would we call it a great album? I seriously doubt it, because no matter how many sick lines he had its still just random rhymes thrown together with nothing holding them together. Crooked I's freestyle series proved he can spit. But it didn't prove that he's a great rapper. That's what the albums are for.
You're right they both have tons of unreleased shit.
but only the best songs were put on the album, so why listen to that shit, the artist didn't see it as worth listening to, so why listen to it?
 

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Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
« Reply #164 on: July 06, 2009, 05:03:40 PM »
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





that's a tough list to fuck with, but also you could just look at Method Man.

dude basically has a legendary career from Wu-Tang & their albums.

he had some dope solo albums, an arguable classic; but his main shit was the shit with Wu.

so why can't Crooked's shit with Slaughterhouse work for him? not sayin' we can use it yet, but it's a very safe bet that whatever he spits on this upcoming album will be HELLA close to classic if it's not.
 

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« Reply #165 on: July 06, 2009, 05:12:47 PM »
Crooked I's freestyle series proved he can spit. But it didn't prove that he's a great rapper. That's what the albums are for.

No no, his freestyles prove he's a great rapper. Albums are for selling out and making money.
 

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« Reply #166 on: July 06, 2009, 05:40:52 PM »
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





that's a tough list to fuck with, but also you could just look at Method Man.

dude basically has a legendary career from Wu-Tang & their albums.

he had some dope solo albums, an arguable classic; but his main shit was the shit with Wu.

so why can't Crooked's shit with Slaughterhouse work for him? not sayin' we can use it yet, but it's a very safe bet that whatever he spits on this upcoming album will be HELLA close to classic if it's not.


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yeah, tical and tical 2000 had their moments, but Meth to me was never as good as the hype was.  the GZA was clearly the most talented Wu member, and that's hands down, but for some reason Method Man and ODB were the 2 who really got famous....more so than the other 7 members.  


GZA had the best verses on 36 and Wu-Forever, and dropped the best of the solo albums (Liquid Swords).  RZA was the genius behind all their beats, but GZA was the genius behind the lyrical side of things.


dont get me wrong, Meth still held his own, and his songs with Redman are unforgettable as well.  but the GZA, that's the best from Wutang.



now back to that nigga Crooked....dude has dropped more heat over the past 11 years than ANYBODy.  


wanna know how many Crooked I has been out-shined on a song the last 11 years?


-california g's  (by Yukmouth)
-collatoral damage  (by Canibus)
-wack emcee's  (by all 3 memebrs of Slaughter)


and MAYBE "zee and me" on Young boss volume 1....both of them spit crazy, i can't really decide who's verse was better.

that's 4 songs lol




look for Crooked to be outshined by MC JUICE on Vakill's album this summer on a track called "Beast Ballad"





hey lets make a Crooked I album #2:



-House Party  ft Eastwood
-Living In The Hood
-Suge's West Coast ft. Kurupt and Eastwood
-If You Ever Hear Me
-Death Row Story
-LA City
-Murderin Emcee's
-Crooked Don't Dance
-Crooks N Doggs (ft Snoop Dogg....leftover song from Crook's first LP)
-Hit The Deck
-Crook N Me featuring Nate Dogg
-Third Degree featuring Saigon, Scram Jones and Nino Bless
-Gunned Down featuring Game and Jim Jones
-Cali Boyz
-Fight club featiring SLAUGHTERHOUSE




yeah...that's gonna be hard to top compared to 90% of albums put out this decade. 
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« Reply #167 on: July 06, 2009, 05:49:32 PM »
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers




boom boom clap was dope 8) but the rest are just scraps
 

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« Reply #168 on: July 06, 2009, 05:52:44 PM »
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers




boom boom clap was dope 8) but the rest are just scraps


my life
my life 2.0
game 4 sale
g'd up and banged out
str8 bosses



man these are ILL....each is timeless...they get BETTER each time you play t hem
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« Reply #169 on: July 06, 2009, 06:06:47 PM »
I stated this earlier in a thread about Xzibit, that in order to become one of the greats you need at least the following:

 have Album(s) that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time(IE its nots just some retarded Temp Pop shit).


Crooked has made good tracks, but the moment he drops a album, is when we might be able to make a better judgment, considering A lot of people I know, don't know him, other then he was signed with Death Row and never dropped anything lol
 

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« Reply #170 on: July 06, 2009, 09:03:47 PM »
^the only way to top charts in todays world is by one of the following:

1. have Wayne on a track or more.
2. throw Drake on a track.
3. have a catchy hook that's drowning in autotune.
4. be Eminem.
5. completely sell out.

if you don't have one of those five on your album, you will not come close to making the charts.

Crooked I shouldn't & won't do any of this.

if he drops an album, no more than 30,000 people will ever hear it; even if it's the best album in the history of the game.

but also, lets say that Slaughterhouse drops three or four albums while they're all in their prime & spittin'.

make 3 near-classic/classic albums, but they OBVIOUSLY aren't going to sell at ALL, not even scratching the top 100 on the charts; you wouldn't call them one of the best rap groups of all time?
 

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« Reply #171 on: July 06, 2009, 09:25:52 PM »
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





As I said before, this wouldn't show consistency or that he can make a good album on his own. But what the hell, I'll review it anyway out of 5.


Boom Boom Clap - 2
this is how we do this - 3
my life - 4.5
trafficking green - 3
w's down - 3
game 4 sale - 4
g'd up and banged out - 3
my life 2.0 - 4.5
we ballin - 2
str8 bosses - 3.5
bitch - 2.5
gangsta rap - 2.5
respect your OGs - 4
American Me - 4
All You Haters - isn't this by the outlawz? 4

This would make an above average album, but not even close to a classic. And no, he wouldn't shit on my favorite rappers, living or not. He's not even the king of mixtapes, how's he gonna fuck with dude's with classic albums out?
 

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« Reply #172 on: July 06, 2009, 09:30:58 PM »
I stated this earlier in a thread about Xzibit, that in order to become one of the greats you need at least the following:

 have Album(s) that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time(IE its nots just some retarded Temp Pop shit).


Crooked has made good tracks, but the moment he drops a album, is when we might be able to make a better judgment, considering A lot of people I know, don't know him, other then he was signed with Death Row and never dropped anything lol

I agree with most of this except for the sales. You don't have to top the charts but it has to be a critically acclaimed album (IE Illmatic or Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde didn't sell well when they first came out, but they were critically acclaimed). This is a point I forgot to mention when I reviewed Hack's tracklist. It would have made an okay album but it wouldn't have stuck out. It would've been like your standard gangsta rap album except by a better lyricist. He hasn't dropped any classics that would stand the test of time.
 

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« Reply #173 on: July 06, 2009, 09:36:34 PM »
I think your the only person who doesn't like we ballin
 

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Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
« Reply #174 on: July 06, 2009, 10:26:24 PM »
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





As I said before, this wouldn't show consistency or that he can make a good album on his own. But what the hell, I'll review it anyway out of 5.


Boom Boom Clap - 2
this is how we do this - 3
my life - 4.5
trafficking green - 3
w's down - 3
game 4 sale - 4
g'd up and banged out - 3
my life 2.0 - 4.5
we ballin - 2
str8 bosses - 3.5
bitch - 2.5
gangsta rap - 2.5
respect your OGs - 4
American Me - 4
All You Haters - isn't this by the outlawz? 4

LOL, don't hold back on grades now. :laugh: