Now it's on! (Joe Budden vs. Wu)

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.

tell em.

Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here.  Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's.  I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.  
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.  

I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper.  IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse.  Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse.  He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name.  And Method man responded.  Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public.  Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track).  But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic.  Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history.  Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant.  If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career.  Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.  
Joe Buddens,  has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap.  From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey.  He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for.  His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is.  I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring.  Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics.  Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it.  Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move?  dance, get mad, whatever.  As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten.  Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore.  Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.  
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice.  And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album..  And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.

HEY YOU PRETTY MUCH SUMMED IT UP FOR EVERYONE..........PROPS

Yup +1, especially that last comparison about people will still know Meth, but Budden will be more of an AZ or Canibus

I'd say not even that. We'll see though.

[Al Bundy]

How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.

tell em.

Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here.  Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's.  I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. 
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. 

I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper.  IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse.  Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse.  He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name.  And Method man responded.  Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public.  Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track).  But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic.  Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history.  Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant.  If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career.  Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. 
Joe Buddens,  has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap.  From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey.  He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for.  His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is.  I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring.  Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics.  Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it.  Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move?  dance, get mad, whatever.  As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten.  Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore.  Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. 
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice.  And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album..  And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.

sums up my opinion to a t. +1

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[bananas]

Shut the fuck up joey, you little bitch.

[CHUCK KNOXXX]

How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.

tell em.

Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here.  Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's.  I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.  
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.  

I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper.  IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse.  Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse.  He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name.  And Method man responded.  Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public.  Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track).  But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic.  Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history.  Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant.  If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career.  Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.  
Joe Buddens,  has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap.  From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey.  He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for.  His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is.  I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring.  Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics.  Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it.  Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move?  dance, get mad, whatever.  As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten.  Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore.  Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.  
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice.  And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album..  And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.

much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1

[Chamillitary Click]

How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.

tell em.

Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here.  Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's.  I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.  
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.  

I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper.  IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse.  Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse.  He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name.  And Method man responded.  Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public.  Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track).  But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic.  Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history.  Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant.  If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career.  Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.  
Joe Buddens,  has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap.  From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey.  He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for.  His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is.  I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring.  Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics.  Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it.  Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move?  dance, get mad, whatever.  As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten.  Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore.  Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.  
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice.  And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album..  And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.

much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1

honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.

he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.

but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.

although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.

so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.

he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion.

then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!

so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1".

i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway.

finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.

*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon*

[Chamillitary Click]

lmao at Joe Budden making too much money to beat somebody up! ahaha.. What money?  The only thing he's got going right now is his lil internet videos and the only reason anybody watches that is cuz of his girl.  BTW, I've never seen a dude so sprung on his own girl like that before.  But anyways..

Joey didn't go looking for anybody, like somebody said, he's just trying to save face cuz the crowd was yelling fuck Joe Buddens at a concert he was at 

And if he does have a diss song, its definately a bad idea to rap over the Triumph beat, cuz thats the one where Deck went off.. So people are automatically gonna compare how they rocked the same beat, and if Joey doesn't kill it better than Deck, it'll be a loss

he said that in another thread, related to this.

& you're going to tell me, he is a non-biased, man in the middle? PLEASE!

but to respond to this, Joey is still making money "Pump It Up".

[NillerTheKid]

How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.

tell em.

Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here.  Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's.  I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.  
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.  

I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper.  IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse.  Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse.  He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name.  And Method man responded.  Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public.  Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track).  But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic.  Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history.  Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant.  If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career.  Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.  
Joe Buddens,  has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap.  From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey.  He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for.  His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is.  I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring.  Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics.  Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it.  Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move?  dance, get mad, whatever.  As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten.  Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore.  Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.  
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice.  And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album..  And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.

much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1

honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.

he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.

but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.

although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.

so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.

he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion.

then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!

so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1".

i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway.

finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.

*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon*

so you discard his entire post, simply because he said Joe Budden is the worst rapper in SH? you are taking dickriding to a new level 
He didn't once hate on Joe Budden, just brings up some valid points, but your fanboy-ism makes it impossible for you to see

[nuk23]

How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.

tell em.

Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here.  Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's.  I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.  
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.  

I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper.  IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse.  Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse.  He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name.  And Method man responded.  Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public.  Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track).  But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic.  Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history.  Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant.  If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career.  Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.  
Joe Buddens,  has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap.  From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey.  He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for.  His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is.  I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring.  Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics.  Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it.  Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move?  dance, get mad, whatever.  As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten.  Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore.  Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.  
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice.  And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album..  And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.

much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1

honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.

he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.

but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.

although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.

so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.

he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion.

then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!

so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1".

i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway.

finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.

*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon*

Ur funny dude,
No need to get all upset!  All I was doing was stating my opinion.  And when other people started to agree w/ me, seems like u took it personal.
Like I said, this whole thing is more about Die Hard Joe Budden Fan Boys versus Die Hard Wu-Tang Fan Boys.  And I'm not either of those.  
Its obvious ur a die hard Joe Budden fan, and thats cool.  Just know that other people don't have to feel the same way u do..

U say I'm anti-Joe Budden? Huh? Where did u get that? I never said he was wack, I just stated that, to me he's over-rated and prob the worst rapper in SlaughterHouse.  How does that make me biased?  SlaughterHouse has 4 dope MC's.. Somebody has to be the worst.  And to me, Joey is the worst outta those 4.  Just my opionion dude.  Wu-Tang has 9 MC's and I think they all fell off to some degree, but some of them weren't that great to begin with.  Even if they were all great, one of them is gonna be the worst.  Bottom line is everybody has thier own favorite MC's.  
I think Joe Budden is a good lyricsist, but I've just never been a big fan of his.  Something, about his delivery or voice that doesn't hit me. Me personally, I think he'd be a great ghost-writer.  I'm not feeling any Wu-Tang shit thats been put out for a long time.  So that doesn't make me anti- Budden.  
So don't say wild statements like "easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion." and laughing like thats a proven fact.. Thats ur opinion dude!  I can respect that, but ur acting like THATS THE BE ALL END ALL..
To me, Andre3000 is the deepest rapper in hip hop.. but I understand that most people don't get his shit, or are just not interested.  That doesn't make u Anti-Andre3000.

Then u try to say a point about how I brought up losing to Meth, when he hasn't been in it for a month.. What does that matter?  If u didn't understand what I said, I'll try to clear it up for you.  I said in 10 years Meth will still be remembered for the classic records he's made.  While most likely Joe Budden will be one of the many forgoten names.  Thats it! It doesn't matter if Meth hasn't been in it for a month or not.  I was just putting this in its place in hip hop history.  I'm sure this means something to all the Die Hard Budden fans, but it really don't mean shit to the Wu fans.  And once again, I wouldn't classify myself as either of those.
I mean, Joe beefed w/ Game and Jay-Z and probably a bunch of other people, but nothing memorable has come out.  IMO, this is a just another beef that won't mean anything later.  

But ur getting all butt hurt, cuz everyones not on Joe Budden's nuts.. Talking about maybe if u write 500 word essays people would give u props.. and ur all quoting me from other threads n shit.. tryna prove that I'm biased!  hahaha.    
How does that prove I'm biased? I just thought that statement of him making too much money was funny.. I just don't see him as having that much money, especially since I've seen his lil video blogs, in the little rooms he stays, and eating at burgerking n shit.. I mean I'm not ballin, but even I don't eat at burgerking! hahahaha.  But anyway, apparently he wants the world to beleive he has waay too much money.  So I thought that was a funny excuse not to fight somebody.  And I merely said it was a bad idea to rock over the triumph beat, because Deck came out soo hard on that particular beat.. Probably Deck's best verse ever.  Now if Joey, comes harder that Deck on the same beat, then I'd be the first person to give him props..  But somehow, I'm anti-Joe Buddens, cuz I'm not believing everything he says.

But anyways good research buddy.. keep up the good work!
I'll give u a prop for that +1

 

[Young Old Head]

this shit is wack.

[meecca]

I agree with what is being said on Budden, I like his lyrics but I just can't stand his delivery.. it's boring to me. I've only heard a handful of songs from him though, maybe one day I'll feel like listening to his albums

[KaiserSoze]

Biggie got at Wu and it never stopped him selling more than any other rap album ever, so I don't see why Budden would worry about his sales.

Biggie hardly went at the Wu, one line in kick in the door in retaliation to summit that was said on Rae's album plus biggie admitted he was a Wu fan and method man was the only guest on Ready to Die, plus didnt mase get k'od by Ghostface? and also on a side note did Ghost lob 50 cent down some stairs or is that some more internet BS

More than one line, most of Kick in the Door was aimed at a couple of them. But yeah, obviously Biggie was a Wu Tang fan, so is Joey, so this situation isn't too different. Point I was making is that even "hardcore fans" wont boycott someone getting at Wu as long as they are dope themselves. I can't see anyone who was going to now not buying the Slaughterhouse album just because of this anyway.

[NillerTheKid]

Biggie got at Wu and it never stopped him selling more than any other rap album ever, so I don't see why Budden would worry about his sales.

Biggie hardly went at the Wu, one line in kick in the door in retaliation to summit that was said on Rae's album plus biggie admitted he was a Wu fan and method man was the only guest on Ready to Die, plus didnt mase get k'od by Ghostface? and also on a side note did Ghost lob 50 cent down some stairs or is that some more internet BS

More than one line, most of Kick in the Door was aimed at a couple of them.

it was at Nas and Jeru too

[kevin t]

It'll be interesting to see how it breaks down and affects the inner dynamics of Slaughterhouse.  It appears Royce has Budden's back as he's been the most vocal about supporting Budden but I wonder if Joell or Crooked would back him.

crook & the chef have been doing tracks together, i don't think crook will jump in. expect a few diss tracks between joe and deck and maybe some other wu members and then they will squash the beef and start makin tracks together

[Jaydc555]

The only Wu members that will get involved(if they even bother) will be the ones nobody gives a shit about.Which in 2009 is all of them ha ha.

[Chamillitary Click]

How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.

tell em.

Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here.  Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's.  I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago.  
I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album.  

I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper.  IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse.  Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse.  He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name.  And Method man responded.  Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public.  Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control.
I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track).  But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic.  Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history.  Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.
People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant.  If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career.  Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows.  
Joe Buddens,  has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap.  From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey.  He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for.  His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is.  I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring.  Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics.  Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game.
I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it.  Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move?  dance, get mad, whatever.  As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten.  Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore.  Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers.  
So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice.  And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album..  And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.

much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1

honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.

he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.

but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.

although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.

so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.

he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion.

then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!

so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1".

i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway.

finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.

*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon*

so you discard his entire post, simply because he said Joe Budden is the worst rapper in SH? you are taking dickriding to a new level 
He didn't once hate on Joe Budden, just brings up some valid points, but your fanboy-ism makes it impossible for you to see

LOL, you clearly didn't read my post either, he said time & time again; "Joe Budden has no flow, no emotion", "Joe Budden is the worst rapper in Slaughterhouse", "Joe Budden is overrated"; you must be truly mentally retarded to not see the bias in that & i didn't discard his whole post, i commented on each part of what he said.

but the bias against Joe Budden is clear, you must be blind not to see it lol.

Then u try to say a point about how I brought up losing to Meth, when he hasn't been in it for a month.. What does that matter?  If u didn't understand what I said, I'll try to clear it up for you.  I said in 10 years Meth will still be remembered for the classic records he's made.  While most likely Joe Budden will be one of the many forgoten names.  Thats it! It doesn't matter if Meth hasn't been in it for a month or not.  I was just putting this in its place in hip hop history.  I'm sure this means something to all the Die Hard Budden fans, but it really don't mean shit to the Wu fans.  And once again, I wouldn't classify myself as either of those.
I mean, Joe beefed w/ Game and Jay-Z and probably a bunch of other people, but nothing memorable has come out.  IMO, this is a just another beef that won't mean anything later. 

so why did you have to say Method Man?

you could have said Tupac, because Pac & Meth are equally relevant in this beef as of now; they're not in it.

you don't have to feel like "shit, he knows what i really mean" & just break out that "you're butthurt" card, when clearly that isn't it.

their is no point to completely show you have bias for Joe Budden & then try to defend yourself saying "where did i show bias?"

1. "Joe Budden is overrated" - need i say more about that one?
2. "Joe Budden is the worst rapper in Slaughterhouse" - yeah, their has to be a worst, but the only way you would think he is the worst is if you just didn't like his music & if you don't like his music that clearly shows bias
3. (excuse me for misquoting, but you basically said) "Joey isn't relevant, so even if he wins it won't mean shit because nobody knows about him" - basically getting to the point that now you're just playing the bitch card, where if Budden somehow dismantled the Wu on a diss it's no big deal because it wouldn't get worldwide exposure; again it's 2009 & again you're showing that Joey doesn't matter in this beef because regardless of the outcome Wu will prevail.
4. "Joe Budden has a lack of emotion" - you clearly didn't hear Halfway House or Padded Room, which i don't see how you can make a formulated opinon on this at all lol.
5. "i am not a big fan of Joe Budden" - saved the best for last basically; if you're not a fan how can you possibly go against him & then try to defend yourself by saying you're an innocent 3rd party? so for people to say "word, you summed it up buddy" when you're clearly against Joe Budden, you might as well be a die-heart Wu fan yourself lol. you don't have to be that exactly, but their is a clear difference in your Wu fan-side & your Jumpoff fan-side.

well that's it, now i guess all that's left to do is sit back and wait for your reply saying "i'm (me) so miserably butthurt over this whole situation" because you don't side with Joe Budden, when you're only not siding with him because you don't like him lol. but that's not biased, of course not lol.

anyway, i guess we just have to agree to disagree.