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I don't strive to make you look dumb. Usually you come with some good points. But I guess when it comes to Budden you lose sense.nuk didn't talk about his favorite budden song. now you're seeing things that aren't there. from what i read, his opinion is that budden has good lyrics, but a boring delivery. then he went into explaining how a lot of today's emcees lack flow and voice, and how it prevents them from being a great rapper. then a bunch of people started agreeing with him and you caught feelings. he even said budden had better lyrics than method and you still call hater. lmao.i'm done defending the guy because he can speak for himself, but i fucking hate it when groupies throw the word hater around.
LOL, no learn how to read. Big L > 98% of rappers in history or hip hop; he makes most top 10 lists so honestly that sounds about the right percentage lol.but i honestly i wouldn't be surprized if 75% of average hip hop fans couldn't name me 5 Big L songs. Quote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 07:28:17 PMI don't strive to make you look dumb. Usually you come with some good points. But I guess when it comes to Budden you lose sense.nuk didn't talk about his favorite budden song. now you're seeing things that aren't there. from what i read, his opinion is that budden has good lyrics, but a boring delivery. then he went into explaining how a lot of today's emcees lack flow and voice, and how it prevents them from being a great rapper. then a bunch of people started agreeing with him and you caught feelings. he even said budden had better lyrics than method and you still call hater. lmao.i'm done defending the guy because he can speak for himself, but i fucking hate it when groupies throw the word hater around. he talked about it in one of his posts in this thread; he said it was 3 Sides To A Story; favorite song & it was boring.i don't even want to bother anymore lol.
so has any side dropped a diss or anything yet?
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 14, 2009, 07:59:55 PMLOL, no learn how to read. Big L > 98% of rappers in history or hip hop; he makes most top 10 lists so honestly that sounds about the right percentage lol.but i honestly i wouldn't be surprized if 75% of average hip hop fans couldn't name me 5 Big L songs. Quote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 07:28:17 PMI don't strive to make you look dumb. Usually you come with some good points. But I guess when it comes to Budden you lose sense.nuk didn't talk about his favorite budden song. now you're seeing things that aren't there. from what i read, his opinion is that budden has good lyrics, but a boring delivery. then he went into explaining how a lot of today's emcees lack flow and voice, and how it prevents them from being a great rapper. then a bunch of people started agreeing with him and you caught feelings. he even said budden had better lyrics than method and you still call hater. lmao.i'm done defending the guy because he can speak for himself, but i fucking hate it when groupies throw the word hater around. he talked about it in one of his posts in this thread; he said it was 3 Sides To A Story; favorite song & it was boring.i don't even want to bother anymore lol.The Karma monster is eating at you. God, soon you will be like Juels and be in the negatives for being a fan of Budden. LOL.
the lesson here is to be a fan not a stanwhy would you care about a rating on an internet forum anyways?
Quote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 10:49:46 PMthe lesson here is to be a fan not a stanwhy would you care about a rating on an internet forum anyways?Yeah I tend to just ignore the karma these days, anytime you say something opinionated, it usually drops instantly, and you never know who it is lol
Quote from: American Terrorist b.k.a. Toreno on July 14, 2009, 07:46:55 PMQuote from: HipHopISalive on July 14, 2009, 07:31:50 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 13, 2009, 11:37:33 PMQuote from: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 13, 2009, 10:53:05 PMQuote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.Well, you must consider this - most known "hip hop" fans these days like "pop hop" - so they get lumped in.14 year old kids maybe. but then again those people wouldn't know who Rakim is either. those aren't hip hop fans, those are fans of whoever is hot at the moment.
Quote from: HipHopISalive on July 14, 2009, 07:31:50 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 13, 2009, 11:37:33 PMQuote from: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 13, 2009, 10:53:05 PMQuote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.Well, you must consider this - most known "hip hop" fans these days like "pop hop" - so they get lumped in.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 13, 2009, 11:37:33 PMQuote from: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 13, 2009, 10:53:05 PMQuote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.
Quote from: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 13, 2009, 10:53:05 PMQuote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon*
Quote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
Quote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
Quote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.
How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
Quote from: dubsmith_nz on July 14, 2009, 11:00:55 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 10:49:46 PMthe lesson here is to be a fan not a stanwhy would you care about a rating on an internet forum anyways?Yeah I tend to just ignore the karma these days, anytime you say something opinionated, it usually drops instantly, and you never know who it is loli could careless, if my karma was -500 i wouldn't mind; it's just i like how it goes down for being a fan lol.you really learn who you're talking to by watching your karma & knowing what conversations you're in when it goes down, etc.
Wow those are huge numbers!LOL
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