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I was having trouble making some decisions so I've been researching a few terms.  So why not discuss a few things....

-First off.  Indifference and ambivalence are not the same thing.  Indifference signals you don't care much one way or another about something; whereas ambivalence indicates that you have both positive and negative feelings about a thing.  So to review...ambivalence is "mixed feelings" whereas indifference could be described as "no feelings". 

-Okay, so now lets dig a little deeper into these concepts, shall we... In psychoanalysis, they examine the feeling of indifference to have an "approach and retreat" quality.

Let me give an example.  Lets say all you've been doing the past year is sitting around smoking weed and listening to 90's West Coast gangsta rap.  Then one day while your are high, you decide you want to go get a college degree.  So you "approach this goal"... but as you get closer to achieving your goal you realize that you were happier smoking weed and listening to Snoop, Twinz, Dove Shack, Warren G, Dr. Dre and the Dogg Pound all day long... you really don't have anything you want to do with the degree anyway, and it seems your wasting time and money just to satisfy your families expectations.  Also, your ass is flunking class anyway.

So you "retreat from your goal".  Then another year passes, you're smoking regular again and bumping WC and the Madd Circle, Ice Cube, 2pac, and Rass Kass.   You are totally relaxed and away from all worries.... when all the sudden you decide you want to go back to school again to get yur degree...

So what is this ambivalence?  In this way it is a fear of negative consequences that only become apparent as one gets closer to ones goal.  Whereas far away, one may only see the positives of approaching their goal.


-Now let me discuss another related concept.... Cognitive dissonance.   This is where a person approaches a goal, this time let's say it is a girl.  From far away he loves everything about her.  But as he gets closer to this girl, he realizes its cutting into his money for weed, that she complains to damn much, shes never satisfied, and she wants to listen to Lil' Wayne and Soulja Boy and hates West Coast hiphop.

Well, the boy doesn't want to give up the positives of increased sex life and companionship of his new female friend.  SO he tells himself, "ohh well, weed is bad for you anyway, and gangsta rap will turn me into a violent person".   Both of these statements may not be true, but in cognitive dissonance one tells themselves such things to aviod ambivalence!


Interesting stuff, heh?
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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 10:42:58 PM »



Interesting stuff, heh?

Not at all

Now so to avoid the dissonance and feelings of rejection experienced by your harsh response I would say "Toms an idiot anyway, and is mostly amused by the porn sections of the forum rather than a psychological post such as this one".... in saying such I would not experience the negative effects and dissonance and regret the time it took to make such a thread.
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"I will make records as big or bigger than Death Row".   -Dre, Source 1996

"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

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"Eminem will be bigger than Michael Jackson as long as he doesn't change."

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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2009, 04:29:04 AM »
and your point is?
 

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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2009, 06:11:23 AM »
and your point is?

no point really.. just for discussion...
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"I will make records as big or bigger than Death Row".   -Dre, Source 1996

"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

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"Eminem will be bigger than Michael Jackson as long as he doesn't change."

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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2009, 10:48:06 AM »
I for 1 find it interesting...............

I have experinced both..........and I know what he is talking about
 

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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2009, 01:32:10 PM »



Interesting stuff, heh?

Not at all

Now so to avoid the dissonance and feelings of rejection experienced by your harsh response I would say "Toms an idiot anyway, and is mostly amused by the porn sections of the forum rather than a psychological post such as this one".... in saying such I would not experience the negative effects and dissonance and regret the time it took to make such a thread.

Actually I haven't viewed the porn section in a while so keep reaching.  Your post isn't interesting because it's just you discussing the teenage angst which still consumes you.  You try make it appear as if you're discussing a different topic, which you hope disguises the fact you are still crying out for help.  Is this thread really about psychology or is about how you are stuck in a perpetual state of arrested development ?
 

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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2009, 10:23:43 PM »
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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 10:48:36 PM »

Actually I haven't viewed the porn section in a while so keep reaching.  Your post isn't interesting because it's just you discussing the teenage angst which still consumes you.  You try make it appear as if you're discussing a different topic, which you hope disguises the fact you are still crying out for help.  Is this thread really about psychology or is about how you are stuck in a perpetual state of arrested development ?

Yeah, your right, only teenagers and immature adults experience angst, right?  And what do indifference and ambivalence have to do with maturity anyway?   These are emotions anybody could feel at any time at any age; it doesn't mean you have an arrested development. 
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"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

Dre -  Source 1996 cover

"Eminem will be bigger than Michael Jackson as long as he doesn't change."

-Dre, Rolling Stones mag 1999 Em cover

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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2009, 04:38:08 PM »

Actually I haven't viewed the porn section in a while so keep reaching.  Your post isn't interesting because it's just you discussing the teenage angst which still consumes you.  You try make it appear as if you're discussing a different topic, which you hope disguises the fact you are still crying out for help.  Is this thread really about psychology or is about how you are stuck in a perpetual state of arrested development ?

Yeah, your right, only teenagers and immature adults experience angst, right?  And what do indifference and ambivalence have to do with maturity anyway?   These are emotions anybody could feel at any time at any age; it doesn't mean you have an arrested development. 
 

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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2009, 04:54:02 PM »
Diving in to subjects like these without a strong base does a disservice to you. FYI.

Let me just say that given your history on here as someone with emotional problems, you might be stuck in this dissonant purgatory all your life, that is if you don't learn how to "man up" and accept the contradictions you make as part of living life in a complex world. Disregard your natural instinct to take a side on something and polarize yourself; which is hard because that's pretty much all you've ever done on here - reach out and grab on to an idea or institution and define yourself by it. Forget all that, you, whether you like or not, are more complex than that and living the way you currently do has/is/will cause you pain and strife.



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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2009, 10:30:13 PM »
Diving in to subjects like these without a strong base does a disservice to you. FYI.

Let me just say that given your history on here as someone with emotional problems, you might be stuck in this dissonant purgatory all your life, that is if you don't learn how to "man up" and accept the contradictions you make as part of living life in a complex world. Disregard your natural instinct to take a side on something and polarize yourself; which is hard because that's pretty much all you've ever done on here - reach out and grab on to an idea or institution and define yourself by it. Forget all that, you, whether you like or not, are more complex than that and living the way you currently do has/is/will cause you pain and strife.



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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2009, 05:23:52 AM »
Diving in to subjects like these without a strong base does a disservice to you. FYI.

Let me just say that given your history on here as someone with emotional problems, you might be stuck in this dissonant purgatory all your life, that is if you don't learn how to "man up" and accept the contradictions you make as part of living life in a complex world. Disregard your natural instinct to take a side on something and polarize yourself; which is hard because that's pretty much all you've ever done on here - reach out and grab on to an idea or institution and define yourself by it. Forget all that, you, whether you like or not, are more complex than that and living the way you currently do has/is/will cause you pain and strife.



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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2009, 08:27:35 PM »

Actually I haven't viewed the porn section in a while so keep reaching.  Your post isn't interesting because it's just you discussing the teenage angst which still consumes you.  You try make it appear as if you're discussing a different topic, which you hope disguises the fact you are still crying out for help.  Is this thread really about psychology or is about how you are stuck in a perpetual state of arrested development ?

Yeah, your right, only teenagers and immature adults experience angst, right?  And what do indifference and ambivalence have to do with maturity anyway?   These are emotions anybody could feel at any time at any age; it doesn't mean you have an arrested development. 
 

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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2009, 04:57:19 AM »

Actually I haven't viewed the porn section in a while so keep reaching.  Your post isn't interesting because it's just you discussing the teenage angst which still consumes you.  You try make it appear as if you're discussing a different topic, which you hope disguises the fact you are still crying out for help.  Is this thread really about psychology or is about how you are stuck in a perpetual state of arrested development ?

Yeah, your right, only teenagers and immature adults experience angst, right?  And what do indifference and ambivalence have to do with maturity anyway?   These are emotions anybody could feel at any time at any age; it doesn't mean you have an arrested development. 
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Re: Ever have "mixed feelings", ambivalence, indifference...lets discuss
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2009, 09:23:31 PM »
Diving in to subjects like these without a strong base does a disservice to you. FYI.

Let me just say that given your history on here as someone with emotional problems, you might be stuck in this dissonant purgatory all your life, that is if you don't learn how to "man up" and accept the contradictions you make as part of living life in a complex world. Disregard your natural instinct to take a side on something and polarize yourself; which is hard because that's pretty much all you've ever done on here - reach out and grab on to an idea or institution and define yourself by it. Forget all that, you, whether you like or not, are more complex than that and living the way you currently do has/is/will cause you pain and strife.



"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."
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disregard your natural instinct?? and what instinct is that, please define, or is it your own projection that you are dissapointed with?

i'm sorry and you have a PhD in what???



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