Joe Budden-Public service Announcement

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The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case.  If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point? 

Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had.  No one is arguing this point.

We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed.  For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it?  When quested who he randomly grabbed some names.  One was Method Man. 

If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu.  If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.

Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.

Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.   

[JohnnyL]

3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.

Thanks for the props but...

You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game?  I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence.  50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.

Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that.  One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has.  I ain't hating.  Just how it's been so far..

Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden.  Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.

my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.

but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.

the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.

so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.

Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason.

Listen you little whippersnapper, where the fuck do you get off w/ the impression that I "won't let that happen"?  It's baseless and it's clear you get very offended when anybody clowns on Budden.

The rap game was established in the 70's, not in 1989 lol.  And yes, disrespecting those who paved the way is blasphemy.  If you don't understand that than you obviously don't understand a lot of things.

Joe Budden is no where even REMOTELY close to Wu Tang and that's what makes this whole thing a joke.  Wu has been there, done that.  They don't need to prove shit...THEY ALREADY HAVE.  What has Budden proved?  That he has a little (well, very very fucking little) buzz amongst about 5,000 internet fans for the first time since his legendary game changing single "Pump It Up", and he fucks it up by running his mouth.  Instead of all of us discussing the SH album we have like 20 pages talking about Joe gettin socked in the eye. 

This whole "Joey fucks them up NOW" arguement is fucking stupid.  Like take some current fuckin no name heavy weight boxer and let him go against Mike Tyson.  Right now.  No name jackass might very well whoop Mike's ass right now.  But you think that guy coulda fucked w/ Mike in 85-86?  I don't think so.  Who gives a fuck if some asshole beats him well after his prime?  Why would you even brag about it?  Why would you even feel good about it?

 I don't agree with what Joe Budden initially had to say about Method Man.  But he was right about that top MC's list that VIBE put out.  That list was fucked.  He used one bad example to illustrate that the list was fucked.  But some of the other examples he used, were spot-on.  Lil Bow Wow, for example, being on a list of the greatest MC's of all time.  That list was a joke.

[jeromechickenbone]

Rappers arent fighters.Your mind is supposed to get stronger as you get older not weaker.So whats wus excuse for being half of what they was ten years ago

Say what?  So guys like Billy Joel and Paul McCartney are sharper than they were 30 years ago?  Their skills are more refined?  They are more talented?  They're writing better songs?  No way you can make that claim.

What's Wu's excuse?  I'd say it's mostly they are lacking chemistry as they are now in their mid-late 30s (40s?) with children no longer in the streets forming like voltron.  They've already had monstrous success - they've already proven to be all time greats.  They're not starving artists - they did their time.  They don't need to prove anything to Budden or anyone else.  Been there done that.

[jeromechickenbone]

The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case.  If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point? 

Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had.  No one is arguing this point.

We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed.  For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it?  When quested who he randomly grabbed some names.  One was Method Man. 

If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu.  If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.

Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.

Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.   

No my friend, I understand.  As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago.  Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway.  So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?

Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences.  He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.

[jeromechickenbone]

3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.

Thanks for the props but...

You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game?  I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence.  50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.

Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that.  One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has.  I ain't hating.  Just how it's been so far..

Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden.  Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.

my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.

but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.

the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.

so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.

Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason.

Listen you little whippersnapper, where the fuck do you get off w/ the impression that I "won't let that happen"?  It's baseless and it's clear you get very offended when anybody clowns on Budden.

The rap game was established in the 70's, not in 1989 lol.  And yes, disrespecting those who paved the way is blasphemy.  If you don't understand that than you obviously don't understand a lot of things.

Joe Budden is no where even REMOTELY close to Wu Tang and that's what makes this whole thing a joke.  Wu has been there, done that.  They don't need to prove shit...THEY ALREADY HAVE.  What has Budden proved?  That he has a little (well, very very fucking little) buzz amongst about 5,000 internet fans for the first time since his legendary game changing single "Pump It Up", and he fucks it up by running his mouth.  Instead of all of us discussing the SH album we have like 20 pages talking about Joe gettin socked in the eye. 

This whole "Joey fucks them up NOW" arguement is fucking stupid.  Like take some current fuckin no name heavy weight boxer and let him go against Mike Tyson.  Right now.  No name jackass might very well whoop Mike's ass right now.  But you think that guy coulda fucked w/ Mike in 85-86?  I don't think so.  Who gives a fuck if some asshole beats him well after his prime?  Why would you even brag about it?  Why would you even feel good about it?

 I don't agree with what Joe Budden initially had to say about Method Man.  But he was right about that top MC's list that VIBE put out.  That list was fucked.  He used one bad example to illustrate that the list was fucked.  But some of the other examples he used, were spot-on.  Lil Bow Wow, for example, being on a list of the greatest MC's of all time.  That list was a joke.

Completely agree that that list was a joke, and pretty much all lists like that are, which is why I could never say who IS the greatest because so many people brought so many different contributions.

And anyone just now, in 2009 just catching on to the fact that Vibe is not a credible hip hop source is WAYYYYYYYYY behind the curve. 

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The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case.  If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point? 

Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had.  No one is arguing this point.

We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed.  For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it?  When quested who he randomly grabbed some names.  One was Method Man. 

If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu.  If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.

Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.

Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.   

No my friend, I understand.  As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago.  Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway.  So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?

Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences.  He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.

Let's stop the no name comments.  The true no namers aren't being spoken of so while you don't like it or not Budden isn't one of them.  Hell, if Budden wasn't relevant and is truly a no namer then why did Wu respond?  Obiously someone cared a "no namer" called out a "famer." 

You're arguing a contradiction.  If you're a no namer then you're opinion holds no weight and wouldn't be spoken of.  If you have a name, your opinion holds some weight and is spoken of.  Obviously, Budden opinion holds weight and is regarded on some level.

[jeromechickenbone]

The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case.  If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point? 

Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had.  No one is arguing this point.

We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed.  For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it?  When quested who he randomly grabbed some names.  One was Method Man. 

If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu.  If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.

Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.

Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.   

No my friend, I understand.  As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago.  Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway.  So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?

Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences.  He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.

Let's stop the no name comments.  The true no namers aren't being spoken of so while you don't like it or not Budden isn't one of them.  Hell, if Budden wasn't relevant and is truly a no namer then why did Wu respond?  Obiously someone cared a "no namer" called out a "famer." 

You're arguing a contradiction.  If you're a no namer then you're opinion holds no weight and wouldn't be spoken of.  If you have a name, your opinion holds some weight and is spoken of.  Obviously, Budden opinion holds weight and is regarded on some level.

Budden is a no namer off of a few internet boards.  I mean how many fans does he have on here?  5?  10?  Most people MIGHT remember Pump It Up, but most don't know what a Joe Budden is.

And Wu responded because Wu got dissed.  Obviously they have people that show them clips or tell them about shit they see on the net.  They felt disrespected so they replied.  Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin to fuck wit.

[JohnnyL]

3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.

Thanks for the props but...

You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game?  I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence.  50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.

Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that.  One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has.  I ain't hating.  Just how it's been so far..

Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden.  Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.

my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.

but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.

the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.

so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.

Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason.

Listen you little whippersnapper, where the fuck do you get off w/ the impression that I "won't let that happen"?  It's baseless and it's clear you get very offended when anybody clowns on Budden.

The rap game was established in the 70's, not in 1989 lol.  And yes, disrespecting those who paved the way is blasphemy.  If you don't understand that than you obviously don't understand a lot of things.

Joe Budden is no where even REMOTELY close to Wu Tang and that's what makes this whole thing a joke.  Wu has been there, done that.  They don't need to prove shit...THEY ALREADY HAVE.  What has Budden proved?  That he has a little (well, very very fucking little) buzz amongst about 5,000 internet fans for the first time since his legendary game changing single "Pump It Up", and he fucks it up by running his mouth.  Instead of all of us discussing the SH album we have like 20 pages talking about Joe gettin socked in the eye. 

This whole "Joey fucks them up NOW" arguement is fucking stupid.  Like take some current fuckin no name heavy weight boxer and let him go against Mike Tyson.  Right now.  No name jackass might very well whoop Mike's ass right now.  But you think that guy coulda fucked w/ Mike in 85-86?  I don't think so.  Who gives a fuck if some asshole beats him well after his prime?  Why would you even brag about it?  Why would you even feel good about it?

 I don't agree with what Joe Budden initially had to say about Method Man.  But he was right about that top MC's list that VIBE put out.  That list was fucked.  He used one bad example to illustrate that the list was fucked.  But some of the other examples he used, were spot-on.  Lil Bow Wow, for example, being on a list of the greatest MC's of all time.  That list was a joke.

Completely agree that that list was a joke, and pretty much all lists like that are, which is why I could never say who IS the greatest because so many people brought so many different contributions.

And anyone just now, in 2009 just catching on to the fact that Vibe is not a credible hip hop source is WAYYYYYYYYY behind the curve. 

 Yeah.  I'll agree with that.  No list could ever conclusively prove that any one MC was the greatest of all time.  That is something that will probably always be up for debate.  I think that particular list that Vibe put out was especially ridiculous.  Personally, I have no problem with people including Method Man on a list like that, but some of the other names that came up I, I couldn't believe.  I think I heard that that company has since folded, so I guess we don't have to worry about them putting out any more lists like this, any way.
  Really, I do think Joe Budden initially overreacted.  When he read that list, he shouldn't have even been offended.  It was so ridiculous he just should have laughed at it.

[Jaydc555]

The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case.  If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point? 

Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had.  No one is arguing this point.

We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed.  For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it?  When quested who he randomly grabbed some names.  One was Method Man. 

If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu.  If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.

Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.

Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.   

No my friend, I understand.  As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago.  Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway.  So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?

Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences.  He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.

Let's stop the no name comments.  The true no namers aren't being spoken of so while you don't like it or not Budden isn't one of them.  Hell, if Budden wasn't relevant and is truly a no namer then why did Wu respond?  Obiously someone cared a "no namer" called out a "famer." 

You're arguing a contradiction.  If you're a no namer then you're opinion holds no weight and wouldn't be spoken of.  If you have a name, your opinion holds some weight and is spoken of.  Obviously, Budden opinion holds weight and is regarded on some level.

Budden is a no namer off of a few internet boards.  I mean how many fans does he have on here?  5?  10?  Most people MIGHT remember Pump It Up, but most don't know what a Joe Budden is.

And Wu responded because Wu got dissed.  Obviously they have people that show them clips or tell them about shit they see on the net.  They felt disrespected so they replied.  Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin to fuck wit.

Joe buddens forum is literally like ten times the size of this board

[J.D. Wykid, Esq.]

The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case.  If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point? 

Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had.  No one is arguing this point.

We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed.  For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it?  When quested who he randomly grabbed some names.  One was Method Man. 

If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu.  If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.

Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.

Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.   

No my friend, I understand.  As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago.  Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway.  So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?

Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences.  He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.

Let's stop the no name comments.  The true no namers aren't being spoken of so while you don't like it or not Budden isn't one of them.  Hell, if Budden wasn't relevant and is truly a no namer then why did Wu respond?  Obiously someone cared a "no namer" called out a "famer." 

You're arguing a contradiction.  If you're a no namer then you're opinion holds no weight and wouldn't be spoken of.  If you have a name, your opinion holds some weight and is spoken of.  Obviously, Budden opinion holds weight and is regarded on some level.

Budden is a no namer off of a few internet boards.  I mean how many fans does he have on here?  5?  10?  Most people MIGHT remember Pump It Up, but most don't know what a Joe Budden is.

And Wu responded because Wu got dissed.  Obviously they have people that show them clips or tell them about shit they see on the net.  They felt disrespected so they replied.  Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin to fuck wit.

Joe buddens forum is literally like ten times the size of this board

ten times the size ey??....the jumpoff only has like 12,600 members...dubcc is closing in on 20k....

[weedhead]

i like joe.but seriously,he gonna get cought up in some raw shit yall..just wait till ghost jump in.yall notice he being very low key...wu deep.world wide...crook and his boys aint around 24/7.

[weedhead]

some of yall act like rae wack on the mic....when it comes to reality raps joe cant see rae....spitting bullshit...ok.

[A1]

It really is as simple as this. Joey has been running off at the mouth for a long time now, at last somebody smacked him like a bitch running her mouth should be smacked. Now hes back running his mouth again. At the end of the day even after he got slapped he had the oppertunity to ask Rae for a fair one on camera and rae would have had to respond to the challenge.

This aint about hip hop or any of that so i dont know why people are trying to make it that. Its about a grown man who has no credible street history talking on other grown men who have credible history. He got stepped to and didnt back up his shit talking...end of.

[weedhead]

I see wright threw buddens...its anigga like him on every block....he will be the down fall of this group(WATCH)

[weedhead]

the chef didnt hit u..the big nigga did.