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Israel's Impunity
« on: August 18, 2009, 09:28:03 PM »
Seriously man tryin to appease the public with this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8208315.stm

They are committing a slow genocide, a slow extermination of a whole nation... bastards
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 12:04:52 AM »
Well judging by your name we know your stance, which'll be far from objective.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 12:15:20 AM »

The possible projected outcome of this continued situation is a shrinking Palestinian population and a growing Israeli population that can in the future, more easily absorb the remaining Palestinians into the Israeli state as second-class citizens, and/or up to the point where a significantly smaller and less populated Palestinian State will be created.

 Until then, the West Bank and Gaza may be destined to remain massive ghettoes and breeding grounds for terrorism among an oppressed people. This situation will indirectly (or directly) work in  favour of the ‘Greater Israel’ policy by providing the justification for military reprisals that can thin the Palestinian population and provide the incentive for more to leave. Other nations will remain officially and genuinely sympathetic and continue to accept Palestinian refugees, thereby also indirectly (or directly) aiding the ‘Greater Israel’ policy by streamlining the process with the necessary humanitarian touch.
 

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 07:35:32 AM »
Well judging by your name we know your stance, which'll be far from objective.
damn... thats crazy idea
 

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 07:41:07 AM »
Well judging by your name we know your stance, which'll be far from objective.
damn... thats crazy idea
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2009, 08:13:13 AM »
I'm not anti-sematic or something but I agree with the palastina.

It was a selfish act, the western world felt guilty about the genocide of the jews so they gave them there holy land.
By bullying the palastines till they left ::)
 

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2009, 08:18:37 AM »
I'm not anti-sematic or something but I agree with the palastina.

It was a selfish act, the western world felt guilty about the genocide of the jews so they gave them there holy land.
By bullying the palastines till they left ::)
YEAH PALESTINIANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
 

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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2009, 08:19:12 AM »
ITS SO HARD TO CHOOSE SIDES THOUGH... JEWS AND MUSLIMS HAVE SO MUCH HISTORY...
BUT THEY SHOW THEY HATE HEACH OTHER...
 

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2009, 12:42:47 PM »
Well judging by your name we know your stance, which'll be far from objective.

I'm sorry I didnt stand with the Nazi's during the holocaust (in principle not temporal) and I wont stand with the nazi like offensive against Palestinians, there are jews that hold this "stance" with more fervor if a name means anything, a concience would ofcourse....

side question are you white? you probably are


The possible projected outcome of this continued situation is a shrinking Palestinian population and a growing Israeli population that can in the future, more easily absorb the remaining Palestinians into the Israeli state as second-class citizens, and/or up to the point where a significantly smaller and less populated Palestinian State will be created.

yo kid are you writin the manifesto for the Likud party, if you arent, then you need to send em your application, thats the sweetest venom i've tasted in a minute...

I'm not anti-sematic or something but I agree with the palastina.

It was a selfish act, the western world felt guilty about the genocide of the jews so they gave them there holy land.
By bullying the palastines till they left ::)

thank you brother and no you dont have to start that question with a self examining statement of anti semitism (thats social conditioning), you have a natural concience which inherently doesnt like wrong.

ITS SO HARD TO CHOOSE SIDES THOUGH... JEWS AND MUSLIMS HAVE SO MUCH HISTORY...
BUT THEY SHOW THEY HATE HEACH OTHER...

bro im a put it like this, there are jewish books in islamic libraries, in spain jews flourished and contributed to science immensly and then when the spanish inquisition took off, they took off to muslim lands to safety... where you can find them still...

if the jews were in charge of muslims as we see them today they are exterminating them, and when the muslims were in charge of muslims they lived fine
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 04:26:24 PM »
ITS SO HARD TO CHOOSE SIDES THOUGH... JEWS AND MUSLIMS HAVE SO MUCH HISTORY...
BUT THEY SHOW THEY HATE HEACH OTHER...


Jews and Muslims have lived together in peace for years...there is no hate on either side.
how it really goes down..
 

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 07:22:27 PM »


The possible projected outcome of this continued situation is a shrinking Palestinian population and a growing Israeli population that can in the future, more easily absorb the remaining Palestinians into the Israeli state as second-class citizens, and/or up to the point where a significantly smaller and less populated Palestinian State will be created.

yo kid are you writin the manifesto for the Likud party, if you arent, then you need to send em your application, thats the sweetest venom i've tasted in a minute...

Good to see you recognise. But I don't have to write for the Likud party; its just how I see the situation being played out. Whichever way you look at it, objectively or subjectively, the Palestinian people are on the losing end, the whole situation is geared against them. What future is there for these Palestinian kids? Your best chance for a better life is to get the fuck out of Palestine. If the intent of the Israeli defence force is to protect the Israeli people from terrorism through these counter-strikes, the indirect (or direct?) result and outcome favours Ben-Gurion’s ‘Greater Israel’ policy by thinning the Palestinian population and providing an incentive for Palestinians to leave.
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2009, 08:46:37 PM »

bro im a put it like this, there are jewish books in islamic libraries, in spain jews flourished and contributed to science immensly and then when the spanish inquisition took off, they took off to muslim lands to safety... where you can find them still...

if the jews were in charge of muslims as we see them today they are exterminating them, and when the muslims were in charge of muslims they lived fine
actually sephardic jews of the iberian peninsula were originally from north africa. they came migrated to spain and portugal when the moors conquered these lands.

also jews have always lived in palestine, but just not in the numbers as it is today.
those that were always living there look identical to palestinians
 

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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2009, 09:46:16 PM »
^I've heard that arguement before how when the Muslim Empire was around (the Ottomons? the Caliph?) they were accepting of other religions living in their territory. The catch is, yes other religions were allowed to live in Islamic lands, but they had to pay more tax, a special tax that was levied onto unbelievers living in Islamic lands. Also other rules like if a Church was next to a Mosque and the Church was in need of maintenance the Christians were not allowed to maintain it or repair the Church so it had to be left to slide into disrepair. In this regard, adherents to other religious faiths were kinda second class citizens. Also, if you were not a Muslim but living in an Islamic country, then Islamic law would not apply to you, neither the punishments but also neither the rights. It was all a far cry from Western secular government today, or even modern authoritarian Islamic government today. But word, over the Inquisition, the Jews wouldve had it safer in Islamic lands.


Anyway, the Israel/Palestinian conflict is not rooted in religious friction. Jews and Muslims all pray at Abraham's Tomb, facing the same area. Religion is not at the heart of the problem. The reason Israel treats the Palestinians the way it has/does is because it wants land, so that it may consilidate the Jewish/Israeli people with State sovereignty, and with what Hitler called 'Lebensraum', that is, 'living space'.
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2009, 12:19:56 AM »
At the end of the day, religion is existential angst.
This is why it is worthless, yet worth so much to us.

Illuminated leaders like the Muslim Caliph Saladin recognised this truth:

Nothing. Everything
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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2009, 03:47:41 PM »
YO ILLUMINATI CLIQUE

first of all nigga, listen up.. i'm speakin on this subjectively, and just to let you know there is no objectivity in socio-political matters, your textbook doesnt set the objective standard..

and the special tax, hell yea there were taxes, and tell your white grand daddy to stop takin most of my money in  taxes, there are taxes everywhere, they didnt have to pay zakat like muslims, so they had their own tax..

you speakin like your white ancestors nigga, and thats why you so conflicted within you, when you see your ancestors commit wrong after wrong and you speak with a cold tone at it, like the palestinians are disposable, like your mayflower ancestors thought of the natives...

punk ass niggas like you man put a bad taste in my mouth
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2009, 06:45:34 PM »
Hahaaaaa...now why get all emotional with it?

Ok then, so you believe that 'there is no objectivity in socio-political matters'. But then, let me ask you this; do you think your average Israeli settler is thinking objectively or subjectively?
Really, your average fanatical Israeli settler only gives a damn for his own subjective perspective. The Ego. Me. Me. Me.


You may want to look up the meaning of the word 'objective'. Of course, there is an objective way of looking at the world my son, it is essential, as well as the subjective. I'm not arguing that either is correct, rather it is best to consider matters from a variety of perspectives.  Now considering the subjective perspective of your average Palestinian kid, of course, its a tragic and unfair situation for these kids, there are no excuses and if you look back, I never actually offered any or try to justify the Palestinians being 'disposable', it was more rather a calm lament on the human condition.

And do not let my cold tone upset you, I assure you, beneath the blackened and gnarled exterior of this heart beats a love and empathy for humankind.

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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2009, 07:04:56 PM »
i mean absolute objectivity son... and really the definition entails uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices...

any thought that a human conjours into his conciousness is influenced by his previous experiences = a prejudice
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2009, 07:15:53 PM »
Ok good, you recognise there are downsides to both objective and subjective points of view:


any thought that a human conjours into his conciousness is influenced by his previous experiences = a prejudice
^thats the subjective

i mean absolute objectivity son... and really the definition entails uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices...
^the objective

Thats why its essential to consider both perspectives, how you going to only consider socio-political matters from a subjective perspective? You can, but then you are limiting your understanding.
 

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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2009, 07:21:36 PM »
i dont think you understand what i'm saying....

im sayin that a human brain is incapable of seperating himself of his own prejudices... he can go far, but he'll never be completely objective... therefore he will always have an element of subjectivity with him...

obviously you think you have achieved a perspective of objectivity, but you fail to understand and probably have a defense mechanism for is that you are still very much subjective in that objective opinion, because you are still basing it on prejudices,  - you may claim not - but you are and deep within your unconcious their influence exists!
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2009, 08:02:56 PM »
Well I agree with that, we can take our objectivity far, but we may never be totally seperated from our personal experience. Thats the human condition.


But the question is, does it matter? Maybe all we need to do is 'go far', that is, be objective to an attainable utilitarian extent

For instance, in the West, we have laws on anti-discrimination, etc. These laws can't bring about the total end of discrimination or prejudice, but we can at least take it so far; so that people of all races, colours and creeds can, to an extent live together with some dignity, self-determination and peace.

Now for instance, in a society that champions subjectively-based social values like Israel (where Arabs can't marry Israelis or have certain jobs, where Israeli kids write messages on bombs to drop on Palestinian and Lebanese kids, etc) or Malaysia (where Muslim women can get whipped for drinking alcohol), individual self-determination and freedom is limited as a result of a lack of objective understanding and conscience within the culture and society. This is not only characteristic of such nation-States, but also such individuals who champion subjective thinking without tempering that centric-subjective thought with objective understanding: from your average Islamo-centric internet blogger, to your average Zionist-centric settler.



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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2009, 11:38:18 AM »
ITS SO HARD TO CHOOSE SIDES THOUGH... JEWS AND MUSLIMS HAVE SO MUCH HISTORY...
BUT THEY SHOW THEY HATE HEACH OTHER...


Jews and Muslims have lived together in peace for years...there is no hate on either side.

are u fuckin shrooming dogg?
lol look at palestine and israel...
obviously there is hate
 

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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2009, 11:39:21 AM »
ISRAEL IS A VERY STRICT AND SELFISH COUNTRY THOUGH...
 

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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2009, 11:41:27 AM »
ITS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE IF YOU ARE BORN THERE YOU STILL ARE NOT CONSIDERED A CITIZEN UNLESS YOU'RE A JEW
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YOU'RE BORN IN US... YOUR A US CITIZEN DISREGARDS TO UR RELIGION...
YOU'RE BORN IN SUADI ARABIA...YOUR A SAUDI CITIZEN DISREGARDS TO UR RELIGION...
YOU'RE BORN IN JAPAN...YOUR A SAUDI  CITIZEN DISREGARDS TO UR RELIGION...
 

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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2009, 11:42:58 AM »
HAVING THIS LAW... IN ISRAEL WHERE NON-JEWS CANNOT BE CITIZENS...
PUTS PEOPLE AT A DISADVANTAGE...
RUSSIANS, ETHIOPIANS, NON-JEWS CANNOT BE CITIZEN...
THEREFORE THEY CANNOT JOIN THE GOVERNMENT... MAKE AND CHANGE THE RULES
 

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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2009, 03:23:10 PM »
Well I agree with that, we can take our objectivity far, but we may never be totally seperated from our personal experience. Thats the human condition.


Now for instance, in a society that champions subjectively-based social values like Israel (where Arabs can't marry Israelis or have certain jobs, where Israeli kids write messages on bombs to drop on Palestinian and Lebanese kids, etc) or Malaysia (where Muslim women can get whipped for drinking alcohol), individual self-determination and freedom is limited as a result of a lack of objective understanding and conscience within the culture and society. T


what you are purporting is essentially a nihilistic skeleton of a existentialist ideology... but all forms of practiced ideologies are judged by their own course of existence; in your case you state uS to be that example where, although the reality contradicts it, "freedoms" are afforded to everyone and according to you these are the products of objective idealism.

 in an existentialist perception, this freedom of attaining pleasure is suitable to everyone's carnal appetite... so as long as that persuit doesnt violate another's persuit;

but in your terms if you look at it in a utilitarian perspective its a society thats doomed to implode, cuz the utility of an object is derived from its moral worth, since no moral code is standard as that would be infringing on people's freedom, this spirit of nihilism has led to multiple conflicts that are bound to pour over eventually into an implosion -> dysfunctional america which is the true america and full of contradictions, and the one you paint is only applicable to you!

and please dont be a cross cultural judge and state that muslim societies suffer due to the lack of these objective idealism... its only due to the european invasion of those lands that those conflicts arose, and european invasion was incited due to its own ideology of objective idealism which you fervently espouse...



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