Author Topic: Israel's Impunity  (Read 1585 times)

The Overfiend

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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2009, 06:40:32 PM »
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No, your talking on things you haven't actually done any knowledge on let alone understand. Its all good though, I know your kind.


From wikipedia:
The origins of utilitarianism are often traced as far back as the Greek philosopher Epicurus, but, as a specific school of thought, it is generally credited to Jeremy Bentham.[1] Bentham found pain and pleasure to be the only intrinsic values in the world: "nature has placed mankind under the governance of two sovereign masters, pain and pleasure." From this, he derived the rule of utility: the good is whatever brings the greatest happiness to the greatest number of people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism

Infringing on minorities is what order and utilitarianism is all about: the law is utilitarian in that it upholds the interests of the majority at the expense of the minority. In short, thats the meaning of utilitarian. We have objective laws (and the the law is an objective standard as I already said) and it impedes on the subjective minority views of pedophiles, rapists, robbers, murderers, radical Islamists, etc. Now using the law as an exmaple of an objective standard, the law knows it infringes on the rights of a minority and it is fine with that as long as it is a minority that warrants it. Today the universality of objective human rights is borne out by the fact that the majority of nations, covering the full spectrum of cultural, religious and political traditions, have adopted and ratified the main international human rights instruments. Now unless you are arguing for a North African Imam's right to snip off the clitoris of a Muslim girl because prejudice laden objective Western notions of woman's rights are impeding on the Imam's subjective beliefs of female hygeine then I don't see why you keep pushing your 'Western objectivism is oppressive' line

 

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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2009, 08:27:28 PM »
damn.... islam wooped ur ass
 

The Overfiend

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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2009, 02:45:09 AM »
Oh so ur in league with that moron too now are you...a league of morons

 

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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2009, 08:15:54 AM »
Oh so ur in league with that moron too now are you...a league of morons


huh???
 

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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2009, 09:38:13 AM »
Oh so ur in league with that moron too now are you...a league of morons


huh???
Time for a change...bring it!
 

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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2009, 01:22:56 PM »
yo illuminati... i got no beef you man... u win...

im not into sophistry man... and thats wat this is
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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2009, 11:05:16 PM »
yo illuminati... i got no beef you man... u win...

im not into sophistry man... and thats wat this is
 

The Overfiend

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Re: Israel's Impunity
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2009, 02:57:20 PM »
You would call it sophistry because it flys over your head. How can I feel I've won if you've just retained your default position of ignorance?


You haven't actually directly answered any of my points, you just keep repeating the same line: "objectivity impedes on subjectivity". Now look and learn:

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/utilitarianism.html
utilitarianism

Definition:
Ethics concept in which the happiness of the greatest number of people in the society is considered the greatest good


As I said you haven't done the knowledge on utilitarianism or else you would know the simple definition of it and know better to cling to your ignorance like  "utilitarianism is actually based on moral worth of people and activities.. not on majorities or minorities"

Hahaha, so who's really guilty of sophistry here?

Really, you’ve said alot of dumb shit like: “there is no objectivity in socio-political events”, when obviously there is and it isn’t confined to the West lest of all.

So I’ll dumb it down and try again:

The law in most societies is utilitarian. The law tends to be utilitarian because it upholds the will of the majority over the minority. It upholds the objective standard of good of the majority over the subjective views of the minority. The subjective views of rapists, Islamic terrorists and other criminals are subjugated for the benefit of the majority. This is not just the West, but most societies (except in such societies where the law upholds the minority over the majority). Maybe I should have used the word  ‘most’ to begin with, because you seem to think this is only the
West or that I am some sort of spokesman for the West, I dunno. But its any society including Islamic society.  Anyway thats what I’m saying.

Now I also alluded to other objective standards such
as ‘universal human rights’ and implied that they may be justified to impede on subjective minorities, such as the cultural right of the Imam to snip the clitoris of the African girl, as such an example.

So we don’t disagree on the nature of objectivity or subjectivity. I think where we diverge is that I believe the subjective may be justifiably subjugated by the objective view in certain scenarios.
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