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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2009, 01:37:08 PM »
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Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.

Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
But they actually have to happen!

There's no proof of what Noah did

There's no proof that Jews were slaves in Egypt

There's no proof israelites invaded canaan

Historical documents have to be backed up by proof. Religious documents, on the other hand, are all based on faith. If you believe those things occured then thats all gravy, but your faith in no way, shape or form proves anything, therefore, the bible isnt a historical document.
There's no proof of god's intervention in it***

There were 2 massive floods in ancient times.
1 Created the black sea the other created the persian gulf.
There could've easily been some retard who put a shitload of animals on a boat before it happend..

the bible is based on events that actually happend.
But don't forget ancient historical texts aren't that reliable either because history is written by the winners.
If you go back and read what I said, I never denied a massive flood. BEFORE it was written in the Bible, the Greeks and I believe either the Philistines, Babylonians or both wrote about a massive flood as well. Soooooooooo.....judging by QT's logic, everything the Greeks wrote about is historically accurate too.......but we know a lot fo that shit was made up so go figure.

But liek I said, the Bible has many historical inaccuracies. Til this very day, there is no proof that Israelites were held captive in Egypt. There is no proof they had a hand in building pyramids and shit. There is no proof of any plague and no proof that Moses and his people migrated around the desert for year. There is proof of other nomads and other groups being there at that time period, but lo and behold, no Jews.

There are other things too, but the exodus story is one of the crown jewels of the bible and there's no damn proof behind it. Blind faith.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2009, 03:35:58 PM »
^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.

This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.


I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.   ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.

Oh my god. I don't know.

I give up!!

My mind is being corrupted.

Christian but not really practicing, I do believe their is a god, how ever I don't believe that any bible or religion on this earth actually represents his actual plan/reason and is just Their own interpretation of God. Anyways the following is why this will never be resolved.

You believe that we each have a ssoul, were he does not, This is just another staple in both your personal beliefs that differ (if he does believe that). You can't disprove him nor can he disprove you. Its all belief/faith. He believes their is no god, we have no purpose were as you believe their is a god, and his purpose for us is something greater we have yet to attain. IMO both your sides hold grounds but neither side can ever prove its self with out clear cut research.

The chances of their being no god is ludicrous considering the Big Bang Theory is what is said the Universe was created from (the explosion), But what created the ball? Maybe not a god Like Entity but something. Now their being no Purpose is something that's probably highly probable. Look at humanities history religion, values, moral, and over all mindstate (not the spectrum) has changed constantly with each new age. The Spectrum for good and evil (even though is disputable considering the entire idea for good and evil is a man made ideal) can always change.What if god has no plan? What if he doesn't even give a shit and this is just some sorta of experiment he wants to see.

What if he has no implanted spectrum, after all this would be applicable since god would be the original (IE A clean slate, no one to push it into 1 direction or the other). What if by our standards god is simpley made humans to see us destroy our selves? Its possible Since the moment we were on this planet we could kill everything with our bare hands given enough persistence. That's if god exist. See, even if he does exist, you nor any other religion has no true evidence to explain his plan or even show who he was. So even if a god exist, doesn't automatically mean your religion is right.

Now lets say your Atheist. The universe was created via the Big Bang Theory (it could be said the ball was formed outta Existence of some Fussion based element in the emptyness of the universe, As such the Big Bang was just a bunch of dust and stuff clumped). Their was no god. Only thing controlling humans was not some faith, nor even a inner sense of moral (this again established by the on-set of the norm) but just pure raw nature.  We live, we do what we do in life and we die. Nothing more nothing less. People can debate their is a afterlife but until you see it your just believing in a unknown. As such you believe their is no afterlife. Once you die, nothing happens that Humans are not driven by souls, but just by Energy the sun gives us.

Now, both you must ask your self. Can you prove their is a god? Can you prove their is not one? In the end neither of you can't. The one factor that would turn the tide is how the universe was created. Was the ball made by god and then it exploded via his means? Or was it some sorta cosmic dust that formed it thus negating any evidence of a Holy factor. Did god do it via cosmic dust?

Fact is neither of you can prove your point. This is why its called Faith. You believe in something even though you can't support it. It goes with religion it goes with Atheist.  Either way your belief predetermines your attitude on this subject as such you'll never back down. Cause what if their was no god? What would you do then? What if their was a god? What would you do then.


Either way only thing I know is. Were on this fuckin planet. Were killing our selves over trivial bullshit. Pushing our beliefs on another and when they don't accept we mock, we ridicule, and we attack them.Most of us are so stuck up our own ass with our own morals and ideals, we'll never truly see the truth.


First of all...you do make some strong points and they're a hell of a lot better than the bullshit you get from quiet ruth or her cunting mother. You are correct when u say that neither side can prove a point. I can't prove there is no god and I also can't prove theres aliens out there. But I do have eyes and ears. I know what I see and I know what I don't. Atheism carries weight whereas religion carries almost none. The weight being scientific evidence of course. Evolution is a fact. We do evolve and a billion years from now you probably wouldn't recognize our specie. Yes there is faith in atheism since it's damn near impossible to prove something exists or not when u can't see it, hear it, touch it or detect it. But wouldn't you BELIEVE that since you can't do any of these things that this thing called god is total fabrication and bullshit. We can prove the existence of Tila Tequila...we can see her, touch her and even fucc her. I wish I could say the same about god. There is no evidence that suggests there is a god. The only thing religion has is FAITH but atheism has faith AND scientific evidence. That's why our faith is not above logic and reason.
What the fuck? Tell me the bullshit I speak. Becuz I said one thang that you gon take dead serious? Son please.

Everythang Blasphemy said was right on point. Word up.

But.

How the fuck does Atheism carry weight? Anddd please son don't be saying my points is weak when you're comparing God to Tila Tequila. Let's be real my nigga.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2009, 05:02:19 PM »
The bible can be proved scientifically on a lot of aspects (others are just plain wrong, and were probably because of it being written by man).The history is also off cause they had no tech, no carbon dating nothing, as such it was just a guest. The Bible based its self off some events, while others were just created to get a certain message across. Its also (In theory) viable (if god was 2 exist, and his exist was under the Christian denomination) that god wiped out all events in the book in order to make the bible the only tool to the true connection of the past. This (in theory) would only be applicable if the bible was truly correct.

Now you said "How does Atheist hold weight". This is because they use scientific fact for some of their rebuttals. Evolution (as previously cited) is a fact, and as such puts the entire ideal of Creationism into a state of bullshit. Now Creationism in its self (Taken literally) is flawed. Creationism can also be how stuff has changed and become into something (Wit the determination factor being evolution). Science was always seen as a blasphemy of religion, considering a serious questioning of ones faith when in reality scientific analysis could actually lead to a better understanding (maybe not the why, but how god's effect on nature works).

 anyways back on topic, Atheist use of scientific fact is the reason why they hold so much weight. Cause they see it as taking out the divine factor (When in reality it could be interpreted as them explaining how it works, again that's just one interpretation) as such they negate any existence or acknowledgment of a God Entity having effect on the current subject (Evolution in this case).

C-Blue saying "Well we have proof" You have to remember, the universe is vast and their is multiple stuff we have no idea about until we discover. This includes stuff not even related to god, stuff like new Elements, Whole different laws of physics  that are not bound by ours. For all we know most of our shit is flawed and only a stepping stone to better understanding of the laws of physics, the way a planet is formed, everything is always up for grabs.

That's what scientist do, they keep testing and testing until they found something that is more accurate then what we know, or until we know for sure that the previously established findings have no more value then what we thought.

You can say "We use Scientific fact". Were the fuck is the study that shows god doesn't exist? Remember doesn't necessary have to be the "why" just the "how". Religion could be the why (if it was correct, and not fucked by the entire "Written by man flaw") and Science explains how god does it.

The entire subject will never be solved until either A huge break through in science is able to conclude those huge questions that niether side can truly explain. Another way is if god himself intervened in a huge way to the point you can't denies his existence.

Either way I think the entire subject will always be restricted to personal belief with the chances of finding cold hard evidence on both sides never happening, and all the holes you can poke through on both sides being many.  8) Guess that's why its called faith.

I never thought I'd post in this thread cause its never ending, its like a black hole though lol
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2009, 05:58:03 PM »
people of faith love to talk about the creator and all the things he supposedly created. to them he created evolution..he created space..he created the planets. but if he created all these things then who created the creator?. god does not explain the beginning of life on earth but evolution does and whats better is..IT MAKES SENSE!. that last word being something u god people seem to have no grasp over.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2009, 07:07:16 PM »
This is a pretty good TOT thread  8)
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2009, 07:36:43 PM »
I have no idea why Atheists are on Hip Hop music boards, if ask me, honestly. Esp. if you a mainstream Hip Hip fan.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2009, 08:38:17 PM »
I have no idea why Atheists are on Hip Hop music boards, if ask me, honestly. Esp. if you a mainstream Hip Hip fan.

what the fucc has that got to do with anything??? what...i have to believe in god if i want to bump NWA records?. i dont think you gotta brain in your fuccin head lil homie. think before you speak. bitch ass nigga
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2009, 11:26:55 PM »
I have no idea why Atheists are on Hip Hop music boards, if ask me, honestly. Esp. if you a mainstream Hip Hip fan.
Hip-Hop ain't Gospel music, homie lol

And most Hip-Hop is far from anything God would want his followers listening to, right?
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2009, 12:53:24 AM »
 

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« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2009, 01:45:18 AM »
^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.

This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.


I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.   ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.

Oh my god. I don't know.

I give up!!

My mind is being corrupted. You mixed up birth

I think you really need to read more thoroughly.  You mixed up having families, birth and death with (citation):MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH". This is the point I'm getting at, therefore it was written in bold.  ;)
And I just can't imagine which hint nature gives you for that. And that's why I called your argument retarded (not religious people as a whole) and random.

I never called you selfish for being religious and you're right, I don't think that there's something bigger than us. But that's relative, I don't think we're more worthy than animals. It's not about worth. Besides, Christians take their greatness under god for a fact, more than anyone else. And why is what I said ignorant?

You ask where our conscience will go? It will vanish. Of course, I can't prove it but I think there's a good propability from what we know. Like I said (and that's a question I really would like you to answer):"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"

"You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT!" See, my thought process goes again everything you was taught. Maybe you should try this "thinking" for once instead of constantly repeating what you've been taught.

I don't parade around like I'm better. And I have no problem to admit that there are so many unanswered questions. Scientists, at least, try to find answers. Don't mean they have them all, but they gain knowledge everyday. While religion relies on "god" as an universal, unproven, illogic answer to every question.

Like I said in my last post, I don't think that you're willing to accept any of this but if you think about responding, consider to directly refer to what I said like I referred to what you said.
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2009, 07:49:32 AM »
Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
 

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« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2009, 08:27:22 AM »
^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.

This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.


I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.   ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.

Oh my god. I don't know.

I give up!!

My mind is being corrupted. You mixed up birth

I think you really need to read more thoroughly.  You mixed up having families, birth and death with (citation):MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH". This is the point I'm getting at, therefore it was written in bold.  ;)
And I just can't imagine which hint nature gives you for that. And that's why I called your argument retarded (not religious people as a whole) and random.

I never called you selfish for being religious and you're right, I don't think that there's something bigger than us. But that's relative, I don't think we're more worthy than animals. It's not about worth. Besides, Christians take their greatness under god for a fact, more than anyone else. And why is what I said ignorant?

You ask where our conscience will go? It will vanish. Of course, I can't prove it but I think there's a good propability from what we know. Like I said (and that's a question I really would like you to answer):"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"

"You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT!" See, my thought process goes again everything you was taught. Maybe you should try this "thinking" for once instead of constantly repeating what you've been taught.

I don't parade around like I'm better. And I have no problem to admit that there are so many unanswered questions. Scientists, at least, try to find answers. Don't mean they have them all, but they gain knowledge everyday. While religion relies on "god" as an universal, unproven, illogic answer to every question.

Like I said in my last post, I don't think that you're willing to accept any of this but if you think about responding, consider to directly refer to what I said like I referred to what you said.

You're prolly right, I'm not willing to accept it, but I can respect it. I respect your beliefs. But I don't respect, being disrespected.

See here.

I NEVER KNEW WHAT THE FUCK ATHEISM WAS, until I came on this board. Never even heard of the notion to NOT believe in God. Never heard of the word! I knew other religions and knew about devil worshipers, but never in my life heard of Atheism until I came on an internet message board. I had to fuckin' look what that meant up, after I saw it here. And after learning and reading replies on here, I see these people call religious folks unintelligent and selfish, naive, and dumb. And that's disrespect. Like, ya'll use THAT as an argument. Fuck my weak lines, according to C-Blue, some gotta use name calling as a damn argument. And I'm just using previous posts or ideas from other Atheists threads and topics on here, to try and understand. I use it in my posts now becuz if one Atheist believes that shit, I'ma see if the next one does too.

I ain't gonna be willing to accept, nah, I can't. I never heard this is my life. Everythang, God was there, belief was there. From my family, friends, school, teachers, the music I listen to, yeah Hip Hop, everythang was God. I didn't know somebody could deny it. And as I read ya'll posts some of ya'll even went to Church as a kid, was brought up in a family surrounded by religion, even went to Sunday schools and went to Catholic schools, but yet somewhere ya'll didn't agree with it. That, is just mind boggling, to me. Nowwww Fraxxx, I don't know how you was brought up, so I'm not tryinnnn to put words in mouths here, but I guess I could understand if faith was never discussed..

I could also get how an Atheist chooses Science rather than Faith. BUT what I can't get is calling my logic ridiculous in believing in God cuz I CAN'T prove it, when nobody else CAN prove he's fake!!! You see?

And I have been tryin' your 'thinking', I've been tryin to be empathetic, like I said I get the Science, 'seeing is believing' type thang, I could understand that. But the rest, in depth, deeper detailed views, and arguments is just as ridiculous as you think our is. And that's what I'm sayin'. And STILL posting in these never ending threads! I get the surface of it, but the deep deep inside...nahhhhh. I'm tryin' to defend myself here in these posts, well the religion I mean not me, and the way I'm talkin' is like I am doubting God to try and be empathetic and understanding like. Example, well 'If God....', if God? Like what the hell, I'm started to talk like ya'll. So I mean, I don't know.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2009, 03:15:44 PM »
Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.

Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2009, 03:36:10 PM »
Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.

Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.

Faith, I'm talking about. God. Allah is God. And no it doesn't, the Poor Righteous Teachers have some of the truest lyrics any Hip Hop artist spit and I ain't no 5%'er. But the common factor is faith.

And if anybody despises religion. Not Christianity, but religion. I don't see why somebody's gonna listen to a record that's talkin' bout God. Atheists seem to get pissed about our intelligent asses following it yet THEY ARE gonna listen to Rakim, they are gonna listen to Kanye West, they are gonna listen to DMX for God's sake, and Wu-Tang, Brand Nubian, etc. etc. etc.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #65 on: September 02, 2009, 03:37:08 PM »
i seen tila tequila and bible in the same sentence somehwere...lol
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2009, 10:03:24 PM »
i seen tila tequila and bible in the same sentence somehwere...lol
thats wrong

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #67 on: September 02, 2009, 10:08:47 PM »
thx to tila tequila i won this argument
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2009, 10:37:41 PM »
Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.

Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.

Faith, I'm talking about. God. Allah is God. And no it doesn't, the Poor Righteous Teachers have some of the truest lyrics any Hip Hop artist spit and I ain't no 5%'er. But the common factor is faith.

And if anybody despises religion. Not Christianity, but religion. I don't see why somebody's gonna listen to a record that's talkin' bout God. Atheists seem to get pissed about our intelligent asses following it yet THEY ARE gonna listen to Rakim, they are gonna listen to Kanye West, they are gonna listen to DMX for God's sake, and Wu-Tang, Brand Nubian, etc. etc. etc.
Well one thing I hope we can agree on is that we don't do or believe in everything a rapper says. I think gangbangin is stupid as fuck but I'ma still listen to shit from Snoop or Game.

Likewise, I don't agree with other things rappers talk about, including their faith, but I still bump it. It's not like I'm sitting down reading the Bible and complaining about it at the same time lol
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2009, 06:08:22 AM »
^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.

This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.


I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it.   ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.

Oh my god. I don't know.

I give up!!

My mind is being corrupted. You mixed up birth

I think you really need to read more thoroughly.  You mixed up having families, birth and death with (citation):MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH". This is the point I'm getting at, therefore it was written in bold.  ;)
And I just can't imagine which hint nature gives you for that. And that's why I called your argument retarded (not religious people as a whole) and random.

I never called you selfish for being religious and you're right, I don't think that there's something bigger than us. But that's relative, I don't think we're more worthy than animals. It's not about worth. Besides, Christians take their greatness under god for a fact, more than anyone else. And why is what I said ignorant?

You ask where our conscience will go? It will vanish. Of course, I can't prove it but I think there's a good propability from what we know. Like I said (and that's a question I really would like you to answer):"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"

"You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT!" See, my thought process goes again everything you was taught. Maybe you should try this "thinking" for once instead of constantly repeating what you've been taught.

I don't parade around like I'm better. And I have no problem to admit that there are so many unanswered questions. Scientists, at least, try to find answers. Don't mean they have them all, but they gain knowledge everyday. While religion relies on "god" as an universal, unproven, illogic answer to every question.

Like I said in my last post, I don't think that you're willing to accept any of this but if you think about responding, consider to directly refer to what I said like I referred to what you said.

You're prolly right, I'm not willing to accept it, but I can respect it. I respect your beliefs. But I don't respect, being disrespected.

See here.

I NEVER KNEW WHAT THE FUCK ATHEISM WAS, until I came on this board. Never even heard of the notion to NOT believe in God. Never heard of the word! I knew other religions and knew about devil worshipers, but never in my life heard of Atheism until I came on an internet message board. I had to fuckin' look what that meant up, after I saw it here. And after learning and reading replies on here, I see these people call religious folks unintelligent and selfish, naive, and dumb. And that's disrespect. Like, ya'll use THAT as an argument. Fuck my weak lines, according to C-Blue, some gotta use name calling as a damn argument. And I'm just using previous posts or ideas from other Atheists threads and topics on here, to try and understand. I use it in my posts now becuz if one Atheist believes that shit, I'ma see if the next one does too.

I ain't gonna be willing to accept, nah, I can't. I never heard this is my life. Everythang, God was there, belief was there. From my family, friends, school, teachers, the music I listen to, yeah Hip Hop, everythang was God. I didn't know somebody could deny it. And as I read ya'll posts some of ya'll even went to Church as a kid, was brought up in a family surrounded by religion, even went to Sunday schools and went to Catholic schools, but yet somewhere ya'll didn't agree with it. That, is just mind boggling, to me. Nowwww Fraxxx, I don't know how you was brought up, so I'm not tryinnnn to put words in mouths here, but I guess I could understand if faith was never discussed..

I could also get how an Atheist chooses Science rather than Faith. BUT what I can't get is calling my logic ridiculous in believing in God cuz I CAN'T prove it, when nobody else CAN prove he's fake!!! You see?

And I have been tryin' your 'thinking', I've been tryin to be empathetic, like I said I get the Science, 'seeing is believing' type thang, I could understand that. But the rest, in depth, deeper detailed views, and arguments is just as ridiculous as you think our is. And that's what I'm sayin'. And STILL posting in these never ending threads! I get the surface of it, but the deep deep inside...nahhhhh. I'm tryin' to defend myself here in these posts, well the religion I mean not me, and the way I'm talkin' is like I am doubting God to try and be empathetic and understanding like. Example, well 'If God....', if God? Like what the hell, I'm started to talk like ya'll. So I mean, I don't know.

Okay, I'm not mad because you're not willing to accept. Through what you wrote I feel that maybe realizing that there is no god would break you.
I was very depressed for quite some time when i realized that life has absolute no deeper meaning. I went to church and it was part of my scholastic education but I wasn't religious before, just never thought about it too much. To me this process of accepting was like maturing. I'm not afraid of life or death but I appreciate my time here.

Maybe you'll understand the principle of a theory, its proof and such someday. YOU have to prove your assertion, until you can, it's only a theory! You can't claim a theory being reality. In your (religious people's) case you don't even have any points based on which you could say that there's a good chance you're right. And this is the ridiculous part. Not your 'logic'. Honestly, that is not logic. that's just belief. This is what pisses people like me off sometimes.
I talk about the theory of evolution, the theory of how life occurred, the theory of anything that's not proven. You just claim god for a fact without any evidence and act as if you couldn't see the difference. That's why I can't take you serious.

Like you said, faith, god, this was always around you, you didn't even know about not believing. Can you sense why this appears to me as kind of brain-washed?

Again you didn't refer to any of my points, but it's all good.
I will stop here because I'm not here to ridicule you or debate colors with blind people.

P.S. Others on here gave you good answers to your question why non-believers listen to hip hop anyway. But just the question is a       
       prime example of how you're not capable to think outside your little box.
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i don´t need any medicate shit im 100 normal.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2009, 08:41:23 AM »
It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.

Second I don't think it's brain-washing, becuz I can think for myself now. And I was NEVER like this before hand. I always believed in God, but YA'LL, after I came to this board and realized there are different views out there, that's when I started to feel madddd stronger bout my faith. So it can't be brain-washing, yeah it was there always, raised round it but I read The Bible for myself today and ACTUALLY have different opinions on shit than the 'brain-washers' themselves, let's say. So thank you Fraxxx and the rest of the world for making my faith madd more stengthful. They ain't, ya'll did.

That whole brain-washing is not right. Becuz just like you said, you were around it too, so it was brought up and you chose to go the opposite way with it and I went the same way wit it.

And what do you want me to refer to Fraxxx? I did. You mean your questions?

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And why is what I said ignorant?
I didn't say what you said was ignorant. I said, '...yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us'.

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"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
I don't get that. Cuz now you say billions of years now, so is this some kind of trick question. Like the human race been around billions of years or you talking dinosaurs? I don't fuckin' know.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2009, 08:42:14 AM »
Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.

Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.

Faith, I'm talking about. God. Allah is God. And no it doesn't, the Poor Righteous Teachers have some of the truest lyrics any Hip Hop artist spit and I ain't no 5%'er. But the common factor is faith.

And if anybody despises religion. Not Christianity, but religion. I don't see why somebody's gonna listen to a record that's talkin' bout God. Atheists seem to get pissed about our intelligent asses following it yet THEY ARE gonna listen to Rakim, they are gonna listen to Kanye West, they are gonna listen to DMX for God's sake, and Wu-Tang, Brand Nubian, etc. etc. etc.
Well one thing I hope we can agree on is that we don't do or believe in everything a rapper says. I think gangbangin is stupid as fuck but I'ma still listen to shit from Snoop or Game.

Likewise, I don't agree with other things rappers talk about, including their faith, but I still bump it. It's not like I'm sitting down reading the Bible and complaining about it at the same time lol
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2009, 11:05:49 AM »
It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.

Second I don't think it's brain-washing, becuz I can think for myself now. And I was NEVER like this before hand. I always believed in God, but YA'LL, after I came to this board and realized there are different views out there, that's when I started to feel madddd stronger bout my faith. So it can't be brain-washing, yeah it was there always, raised round it but I read The Bible for myself today and ACTUALLY have different opinions on shit than the 'brain-washers' themselves, let's say. So thank you Fraxxx and the rest of the world for making my faith madd more stengthful. They ain't, ya'll did.

That whole brain-washing is not right. Becuz just like you said, you were around it too, so it was brought up and you chose to go the opposite way with it and I went the same way wit it.

And what do you want me to refer to Fraxxx? I did. You mean your questions?

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And why is what I said ignorant?
I didn't say what you said was ignorant. I said, '...yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us'.

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"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
I don't get that. Cuz now you say billions of years now, so is this some kind of trick question. Like the human race been around billions of years or you talking dinosaurs? I don't fuckin' know.

The thing is man, if youve ALWAYS believed in God then its more likely to be brainwashing lol.  No one believes in God from birth. It is implanted in them by someone or some group.  At some point, as a kid...you were convinced that your religion is correct. It was more then likely at such a young age, that you dont even remember when it happened.  The thing with most religions is, they teach you NOT to question.  Just believe.  And thats where it stifles peoples actual growth intellectually.  You SHOULD question EVERYthing you believe in. Thats what allows you to make rational decisions. It goes either way. If a kids parents teach them from birth that religion is bad and there is no God, not giving the child a chance to decide on their own...thats brainwashing as well.  Parents do it all the time with a million different things.  This also goes into what you were sayin about people not of the faith participating in music, tv, culture, etc that has a lot of its people who are highly religious.  I think (my opinion) that Athiests are far more accepting of others and their beliefs then most religious people. Most religious people (truly religious) dont even want to "corrupt" their mind with anything outside of Gods word, whether its true or not true, fact or not fact, good or not good. If its not GODS word, its bad.

To take this shit a little further man. Ive almost always had a hard time understanding how certain people, from certain backgrounds can cling to certain religions. Example, Any Black person in America being Christian is beyond me.  The fact that so many Mexicans are Catholic, is beyond me. These religions were simply forced upon people with a lot of murder and slavery behind it. The option wasnt there to become Christian or Catholic.  The choice was made for you...you ARE Christian now. You ARE Catholic now.  The circumstances under which both groups came to adopt these religions, you would think, is enough to make anyone not believe in them. 
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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2009, 11:16:58 AM »
I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
 

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Re: Ok, so my coworkers fiance is a Christian...
« Reply #74 on: September 03, 2009, 11:44:15 AM »
I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.

lol@ influential group of idiots..

and if its full of Republicans...we can kill two birds with one stone.
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