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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2009, 10:33:46 PM »
excluding a couple of duds, this shit is FRESH.
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2009, 11:03:53 PM »
man wtf , i thought Nas was on this album ?  dont like some of the features like Drake and alicia keys ... 
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Bluprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2009, 11:06:03 PM »
Get out of here.

Pray
American Dreamin'
No Hook
Roc Boyz
Sweet

I don't feel the need to comment on American Gangster again.   Hell of dope album and I stated my peace so!

Back to Blueprint 3, far better than Blueprint 2.  Different style than Blueprint 1 and way too soon to tell how they compare.

Where is the best song on the album , Say Hello To The Bad Guy ?   
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2009, 11:25:36 PM »
So Far the best song is , " A Star Is Born "
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2009, 11:32:22 PM »
That's up to you to decide.


Personally, from American Gangster my favorite track is Sweet.  I actually prefer certain tracks from the Marvin Gaye mash-up more ... Sweet happens to be one of them but I blast the og too.    Here's the version from the mash-up, http://sharebee.com/cfd0b9e3

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It's so corrupt
Soak it up
It's a lesson, every fuck up
One day you're up, the next day you're down
As long as you stay the same
It'll come back around

Hov, all right! all right!
It might not be what you cal picture perfect
but it's my life
the life

Damn, I love that song.

Cool breeze; I'm hopping out of new Beams
My outfit ran me a few G's but none of that will matter if you leave
I used to be an Adam with two Eves and shawtys automatically do me
Excuse me, all that happened before you doesn't matter
I'm a vision of the future climbing the success ladder
Recline, in the mean time, twenty three shine, diamond bling blind as I rewind
- Banks
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2009, 01:22:12 AM »
Thoughts:

Jay's flow ain't shit anymore.
Lyrically he's cool on some tracks, generic as fuck on some others.
Kanye didn't bring his A-game, but his B-Game is good enough for me.
Timbo didn't bring his A-game, and it hurts the album. Off That is straight with me though, hook is dope.
Pharell's track (and hook) was good - he probably deserved a second beat on this.
Alicia Keys sounds AMAZING on Empire State of Mind... why is Nas not on this?
Swizz track was some garbage. Speaking of Swizz, this track () > anything on the album
It's... just alright. Not classic, not close. But not bad. Listenable minus three songs (ugh, thank you...)
AWH!
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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2009, 02:30:22 AM »
WHERE'S NAS ON Empire State of Mind?! >:(
It was really only the track I had high hopes to... Anyway, I'm on my second listen - not very impressed.

kemizt
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2009, 02:52:36 AM »
I actually think the Pharrell joint is the best one on the album (the hook is fly too: I'm so ambitious I might hit 2 sisters...lol). Jay and Neptunes been making some dope joints lately; this one and Blue Magic & I Know of American Gangster.

Anyways my thoughts:

  • for me this sounds like a more polished and improved version of Kingdom Come
  • his biggest problem remains his often "I'm rich" slow flow
  • the second biggest problem are several corny/out of place/unnecessary hooks:Run This Town, On To The Next One, Venus Vs. Mars, Reminder
  • Jeezy track sounds like something for a Jeezy project
  • I like the fact that he addressed a lot of current issues: Dame, Game, Jaz-O, Def Jam presidency, his age, being called a Camel

Like Jome said this album is probably a grower (or not we'll see). Right now I'm thinking it's definitely better than American Gangster (boring and nobody wants to hear him rap about drugs again) and Kingdom Come (sounded like a failed, dated experiment compared to this one)
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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2009, 03:05:54 AM »
This album is his best in a while.
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2009, 04:10:19 AM »
Only song ill keep is the one with J Cole on it... thats fire... everything else is below average ... Jigga shoulda sent some of these beats to Jigga ten years ago and hungry!
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #60 on: September 01, 2009, 04:49:13 AM »
the only track im really diggin is empire state of mind, alicia keys killed that shit
army of the pharaohs never make love songs
we finger fuck bitches with freddy krueger gloves on
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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #61 on: September 01, 2009, 04:52:46 AM »
excluding a couple of duds, this shit is FRESH.
8) I agree..
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #62 on: September 01, 2009, 06:34:15 AM »
that swizzy song makes my ears bleed..... jays flow is nice but that beat is garbage..... why do people insist on using this crappy producer swizz beatz?
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #63 on: September 01, 2009, 07:03:38 AM »
"Empire State of Mind" is gonna be huge...  8)
(Gonna be remixes coming from everywhere with this one..)
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2009, 08:30:07 AM »
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/09/a-first-listen-liveblog-of-jayzs-blueprint-3-.html

For those who have an intravenous Internet hookup, Jay-Z's long-delayed, much-anticipated "Blueprint 3" leaked sometime in the wee hours of yesterday morning and debuts today on Rhapsody's and MTV's websites. We listened to the entirety of Sean Carter's 11th album in one fell swoop -- not even taking a break to sip overpriced Champagne, smoke overpriced cigars or take our Maybach out for a leisurely spin. That's either dedication or... a paying assignment from our editor.


"What We Talkin' About" (ft. Luke Steele of Empire of the Sun)

Jay-Z has enlisted Luke Steele of Australian hairspray techno auteurs Empire of the Sun to sing the hook. For those doing the math at home, that means that the man behind this album has more face-time on a Jay-Z album than longtime collaborators DJ Premier and State Property.

In the course of the cut, Jay-Z claims, "I'm not talking about profit; I'm talking about pain." Within 30 seconds, he's bragging about being bff's with Barack Obama. Apparently, Jay-Z feels the pain of the potential loss of the public option more than we will ever know. Hova also declares "I'm not talking about [rivals] Jimmy [Jones], Game or Dame [Dash]," thus robbing him of any semblance of conflict that might make his music that much more interesting.

"Thank You"

Rather than use the liner notes, Jay-Z decides to write a song thanking the fans for supporting him. He mentions that he has 10 No. 1 albums -- a factual inaccuracy. He has 10 official solo albums released prior to this one, and not all reached No. 1. You'd think that with all of his money, he could at least pay sidekick Memphis Bleek to fact-check for him. He also mentions his predilection for wearing really nice suits and going to the opera.

"D.O.A."

The long-ago leaked first single proves that no matter how cranky and cantankerous Jay-Z sounds, a Janko Nilovic sample can salve all wounds. Moreover, whether you agree or not with his traditionalist stance, Jay at least has a coherent point here.

"Run this Town" (ft. Rihanna & Kanye West)

The second single currently earning heavy urban radio play. You've probably heard it. If not, let me give you a hint about who runs this town -- it rhymes with May-B.   

"Empire State of Mind" (ft. Alicia Keys)

Essentially, a list of New York City streets with the titular inspiration seemingly swiped from Nas'  "New York State of Mind." For the 723rd time, Jay-Z compares himself to Frank Sinatra, an analogue that's becoming ill-fitting. There's something timeless about Sinatra's catalog and his choice of collaborators. Something tells me that Mr. Hudson, featured on the last track of "Blueprint 3," is no Antonio Carlos Jobim. Even Alicia Keys can't save this track from foundering.

"Real as it Gets" (ft. Young Jeezy)

This feels like a shameless shill to get Southern rap fans to buy the album, lured by the promise of a Young Jeezy cameo. When used properly, Jeezy's gravelly timbre can produce earthshaking force; but on "Real," the result is both rappers abandoning their gritty street raps for self-worshiping ennui. It's hard to blame them; it's tough to stay hungry when you have a personal chef.

"On to the Next One" (ft. Swizz Beatz)

The  first track yet that doesn't make me want to skip onto the next one. Swizz Beatz is clearly channeling "A Milli," and while he doesn't get the exact same results, he clearly creates one of the album's standout tracks, sounding simultaneously au courant and catchy. Jay-Z continues his recurring obsession with being artistically progressive and moving forward.

"Off That" (ft. Drake)

Timbaland's beat sounds like one of the better castoffs from the last Justin Timberlake album, and Drake's hook is cool and self-assured. But there's something here that reads as stasis: Timbaland continues to envision the future as silver suits and astronaut ice cream, while Jay sounds like he would probably try to lecture the “Say Hey” kid for wearing tight pants.

"A Star is Born" (ft. J. Cole)

Featuring a guest appearance from J. Cole, the fledgling artist whom Jay-Z has signed to Roc Nation. Cole acquits himself fine with a nimble resonant verse about coming from poverty, though his performance lacks the appeal of past Jay proteges Beanie Sigel, Kanye West or Memphis Bleek.

"Venus vs. Mars"

A naked play to entice female listeners, with Timbaland delivering a monstrous beat. Unfortunately, Jay utilizes the lurid leering tone of the rich guy at the bar promising helicopter rides to any nubile female who will look in his direction. In 10 years, "Venus vs. Mars," will go down in history as the first rap song ever inspired by a self-help romance guide intended to illuminate gender differences. I can't wait until Drake releases his prog-rap opus, "He's Just Not That Into You."

"Already Home" (ft. Kid Cudi)

The most organic and hence best song on the album. Kanye fulfills his symphonic "Late Registration"-era aspirations and Jay fills it with regnant "Blueprint" majesty. The decision to pair up with Kid Cudi and Kanye West finally yields some dividends for Jay's experimentation. Granted, it's not exactly the London Muddy Waters Sessions, but it works. Kid Cudi's stoned insularity proves a nice foil to Jay's swagger and the song sounds fun and spontaneous. 

"Hate" (ft. Kanye West)

The logical continuation of the "Graduation" dud "Drunk and Hot Girls," "Hate" sounds like the result of staying up all night in the studio mixing various liquors and then letting the tape recorder roll. You're in that deluded state where you think that everything you record is genius and filled with revelations. Then you wake up the next morning to realize that except for three seconds, everything you made was garbage. Except that never happened, and Jay and Kanye decided to put it on the album.

"Reminder"

Where Jay-Z reminds us that he's better than you and me. Presumably, this is supposed to even out the hospitality of "Thank You."

"So Ambitious" (ft. Pharrell)

Apparently, all ambition means these days is making songs that both Pharrell and Jay would've scoffed at during their "Roc La Familia"-era salad days.

"Young Forever" (ft. Mr. Hudson)

Sampling "Forever Young" on the the final track is one of the worst decisions of Jay-Z's legendary career and confirms everyone's deepest fears about the album: that it's a Hail Mary attempt by a veteran artist to stay relevant. There's maturing gracefully and then there's this -- a maudlin cut that sounds like bar mitzvah montage rap. After hearing this, cleanse with "Brooklyn's Finest" on repeat.

Verdict:

Regardless of this lackluster effort, nothing can alter Jay-Z's place as one of the greatest rappers of all time. That said, despite several strong moments, "Blueprint 3" documents an artist who refuses to wallow in the past, but lacks a (ahem) blueprint for the future. As with all Jay-Z albums, it tries to be all things to all people, and occasionally succeeds, but more often than not, it offers a tepid futurism. If Jay-Z is rap's Rolling Stones, this is his "Dirty Work," even if he maintains that he doesn't like his colors too bright.

--Jeff Weiss
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2009, 08:33:09 AM »
That swizzy song is dope, it just shouldn't have swizzy vocals but everything else is cool.  Especially what jay is talking about.
Cool breeze; I'm hopping out of new Beams
My outfit ran me a few G's but none of that will matter if you leave
I used to be an Adam with two Eves and shawtys automatically do me
Excuse me, all that happened before you doesn't matter
I'm a vision of the future climbing the success ladder
Recline, in the mean time, twenty three shine, diamond bling blind as I rewind
- Banks
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2009, 08:34:23 AM »
only feeling:

reminder
hate
thank you
empire state of mind
what we talking about
so ambitious


the rest is HORRIBLE!!
So much style back at it again
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2009, 09:27:57 AM »
can somebody pm with vbr version of album, i have only 320 kbps, i cant find other version anywhere, plizzzzz
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2009, 09:40:52 AM »
This album is too poppy for my liking, yet, ironically, I disagree about Forever Young. At first I was like "Jesus, this is corny", but that against my will the track is stuck in my head and it comes with real emotion, I'm probably liking it more than any other track on the album so far.
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #69 on: September 01, 2009, 11:51:39 AM »
the production on the first track is disgusting and kinda set the tone for me, truely disapointed, im not even a Jay Z fan i just was intrigued after Kanyes coments


Need to take them with a pinch of salt from now on :)
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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #70 on: September 01, 2009, 01:28:03 PM »
"So Ambitious" Jigga goes for that Reasonable Doubt flow...
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #71 on: September 01, 2009, 02:02:40 PM »
I actually think the Pharrell joint is the best one on the album (the hook is fly too: I'm so ambitious I might hit 2 sisters...lol). Jay and Neptunes been making some dope joints lately; this one and Blue Magic & I Know of American Gangster.

i got you on this one man. this joint is hot. then it gets ruined with the next track and its forever young sample... what the fuck jay? mr hudson? (kanyes' new lover? c/d? lol)

no really.. WHAT THE FUCK  ;D

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #72 on: September 01, 2009, 02:27:26 PM »
Given this some proper rotation today, and the tracks I keep coming back to are:

Thank You

Empire State Of Mind

A Star Is Born

Venus vs Mars

Already Home - probably my favourite

So Ambitious - Neptunes & Jay-Z, most consistent combo in rap? OK, there's Dre & Snoop etc, but I always check first for the Neptunes track on a Jay-Z album and I'm never disappointed.
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #73 on: September 01, 2009, 02:30:16 PM »
"So Ambitious" Jigga goes for that Reasonable Doubt flow...

Unfortunately he forgets the Reasonable Doubt lyrics.
 

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Re: Official Jay-Z "Blueprint 3" discussion thread
« Reply #74 on: September 01, 2009, 02:32:23 PM »
What We Talkin' About Ft. Luke Steel - 5/5. Perfect Intro. Jigga spits flames and the beat is insane. Dude on the hook is nice too.
Thank You - 3/5 - May grow on me. The beat and concept is hot. Got an issue with Jigga's experimental flow on this though.

D.O.A. - 5/5. Nothin to be said, y'all all heard it and it's real shit.
Run This Town Ft. Kanye West & Rihanna - 4.25/5 - Great mainstream beat and hook. Kanye murders it too.

Empire State of Mind Ft. Alicia Keys - 5/5. Alicia Keys really murders this hook. Beat is flames and Jigga on his shit here.
As Real As It Gets Ft. Young Jeezy - 4/5. Not as bad as I expected. Beat is fire and Jeezy did his damn thing. Better than I expected this to come out.

On To The Next One Ft. Swizz Beats - 4/5 I must say I am impressed with this. I fuckin hate Swizz Beats but this beat is fuckin flames, especially that background element :o Swizz vocals unnecessary though.

Off That Ft. Drake - 3.75/5 - Another good mainstream sounding joint. Timbo did his thing on the beat. Drake sounds good on the hook. Jay-Z flowed well here; more energetic.

A Star Is Born Ft. J. Cole - 5/5 Beat is pretty and hot cool concept to introduce J. Cole. Cole probably spits the best verse on the album :o
Venus Vs. Mars - 4/5 Pretty hot Timbo beat. Jay spits nice on here too; hook is poppy but whatever, still cool.

Already Home Ft. Kid Cudi - 4/5 Beat is fire. Does sound like a Kanye track though. Cudi sounds good over this.
Hate Ft. Kanye West - 2.5/5 Kanye spits hot on this! Jigga sounds good on it too. But it's very weird overall lol.

Reminder - 3.5/5 Beat is ok. Hook is very annoying. Jigga spits hot here though.
So Ambitious Ft. Pharrell - 3/5 Beat is eyy. Sounds like "Blue Magic" remake 2 me but not as good.

Young Forever Ft. Mr. Hudson - 5/5 Epic beat. Hudson sings well on this too. Perfect outro.

Def no classic or anything, tails off a bit at the end and I can see how some can hate the club/single/poppy joints. Also some classic Jigga cuts on here too. Not as good as AG though.
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