Is this the return of real hip hop?

[K.Dub]

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.



It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

Such a classic track

[Soopahigh]

Cant believe yall forgot about Cormega's Born and raised.
I made a thread about it

[MediumL]

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.



It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

I'd take Lil Ghetto boy over that tune any day!

[Blasphemy]

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.



It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

I'd take Lil Ghetto boy over that tune any day!

Yeah, that and the day the niggaz took over were really the only 2 tracks that really capture the feeling of LA at the time. Little Ghetto boy, showed harsh side and how it seems like life is nothing more then a path of self destruction just to earn some money. While Niggaz, was how everyone felt after the verdict came down. It was literally the day police had no control and the community ran everything.

[Shallow]

Every form of art accurately represents something and misrepresents something when it tackles such a broad subject as a lifestyle. It's neither fake or real. It just is. Whether it's good or bad can debated with me. I just don't get the point in equating good with "real".

Yeah... you know what... you are so right!  Hey man, too bad somebody like you wasn't around to tell Dr. Dre this before he made the album the Chronic, he could have avoided massive failure, and put a disclaimer in the liner notes that said "All references to 'keeping it real' are relative only to certain groups of people, and should not in any way be taken as the reality of all people of all walks of life".

What are you talking about? I never said Chronic was a bad album and needed to be more real. It's agreat album and the character he plays in the album is representative of a certain culture. But let's not be foolish. Dre was in it for the cash. Just like Suge was. They played characters. In Suge's case life ended up imitating art and he paid the price for that. Neither of these guys were real spokesmen for the streets, ever. They exploited the struggles of the ghetto for profit, all the while romanticizing it for mass appeal. They sold their phony representation of Compton life to the white suburbs and made a lot of cash doing it. No one in the mainstream market wanted to hear about real every day problems of young black men in the ghetto. They wanted gangland tales of bravado filled mass murderers and women treated worse than property.

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.



It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

Dre sold out just like Hammer did, and that's why he sold all those records.

You can change these lyrics slightly like I did and it would easily fit on Doggiestyle.

I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin in my 5.0
With my ragtop down so my hair can blow
The bitches on standby
Waving just to say HI
Did you stop?
No--I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I bust a left and I'm heading to the next block
That block was dead
Yo--so I continued to A1A Beachfront Ave.
Bitches were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Snoop with a guage and Kurupt with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The Chumps are acting ill because they're so full of eight balls
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine--
All I heard were shells
Fallin on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper the avenue's packed
I'm tryin to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene
You know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my Dr Dre revolves it

oh shut up man, you're acting like Dr.Dre is some sort of evil 19th century capitalist type 
Dre is not just in it for the money, but also for the art.
yes he crossed over with NWA, but you make it sound like it's a bad thing to bridge the gap between underground and mainstream

I'm not making it sound like anything. Hammer was in it for the art too. So were the fucking Beastie Boys when they recorded Fight For Your Right to Party. And there is nothing wrong with walking the mainstream line. I never said there was. Infinite did. I'm just showing that Dre made a lot of changes in his style to sell himself to the mass market. Guru on the other hand probably acts almost exactly the same on record as he does in real life. That is not why I think Guru is better, or why I think Just to get a Rep is better than Lil Ghetto Boy. What's "realer" is not the issue for me.

[Dre-Day]

Every form of art accurately represents something and misrepresents something when it tackles such a broad subject as a lifestyle. It's neither fake or real. It just is. Whether it's good or bad can debated with me. I just don't get the point in equating good with "real".

Yeah... you know what... you are so right!  Hey man, too bad somebody like you wasn't around to tell Dr. Dre this before he made the album the Chronic, he could have avoided massive failure, and put a disclaimer in the liner notes that said "All references to 'keeping it real' are relative only to certain groups of people, and should not in any way be taken as the reality of all people of all walks of life".

What are you talking about? I never said Chronic was a bad album and needed to be more real. It's agreat album and the character he plays in the album is representative of a certain culture. But let's not be foolish. Dre was in it for the cash. Just like Suge was. They played characters. In Suge's case life ended up imitating art and he paid the price for that. Neither of these guys were real spokesmen for the streets, ever. They exploited the struggles of the ghetto for profit, all the while romanticizing it for mass appeal. They sold their phony representation of Compton life to the white suburbs and made a lot of cash doing it. No one in the mainstream market wanted to hear about real every day problems of young black men in the ghetto. They wanted gangland tales of bravado filled mass murderers and women treated worse than property.

I'd argue this track out of New York the year before Chronic came out does a better job representing Compton life than anything on Deathrow ever did.



It's a much better track and much "realer", and it never broke the mainstream. There was no charasmatic lead vocalist to make it sound pop, and no easy to listen to sample to carry the track. And the lyrics were too realistic and depressing to ever break through.

Dre sold out just like Hammer did, and that's why he sold all those records.

You can change these lyrics slightly like I did and it would easily fit on Doggiestyle.

I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin in my 5.0
With my ragtop down so my hair can blow
The bitches on standby
Waving just to say HI
Did you stop?
No--I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I bust a left and I'm heading to the next block
That block was dead
Yo--so I continued to A1A Beachfront Ave.
Bitches were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Snoop with a guage and Kurupt with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The Chumps are acting ill because they're so full of eight balls
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine--
All I heard were shells
Fallin on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper the avenue's packed
I'm tryin to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene
You know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my Dr Dre revolves it

oh shut up man, you're acting like Dr.Dre is some sort of evil 19th century capitalist type 
Dre is not just in it for the money, but also for the art.
yes he crossed over with NWA, but you make it sound like it's a bad thing to bridge the gap between underground and mainstream

I'm not making it sound like anything. Hammer was in it for the art too. So were the fucking Beastie Boys when they recorded Fight For Your Right to Party. And there is nothing wrong with walking the mainstream line. I never said there was. Infinite did. I'm just showing that Dre made a lot of changes in his style to sell himself to the mass market. Guru on the other hand probably acts almost exactly the same on record as he does in real life. That is not why I think Guru is better, or why I think Just to get a Rep is better than Lil Ghetto Boy. What's "realer" is not the issue for me.

ok my bad then, i just had that impression.