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Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
« Reply #175 on: October 22, 2009, 11:58:07 AM »
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Dre has always said he enjoyed working with Pac and at the time said how usually he had to get rappers to rerecord vocals where as Pac just came in and laid the vocals down perfect 1st time in. What soured the relationship was Suges influence over Pac, and coupled with Daz's lies (I produced this track Dre didnt) is what probably led to Pac not liking Dre and then dissing him with lies that Suge and Daz told him (no wonder Dre wont work with Daz again).

Tupac was a grown man meaning he decides who he likes and who he doesn't like.  Pac dispised Dre to the point where he went on KMEL radio in the Bay Area and dissed him saying he's a bomb producer but he never produces any beats.  He continued to diss him on the radio interview.  He also has several tracks like "To Live And Die In LA," "Fuck Friends," "Toss It Up," etc.  When you're a grown man, you make your own decisions.  If he didn't have a problem with Dre, he wouldn't be dissing him.

I don't know who to believe as far as Daz is concerned.  I heard him say he produced parts of the Chronic but like you said who knows if he barely produced the track and Dre did all the work on it.  The mixing on that album is top notch.  Dre deserves an assist for "Dogg Food" but I also remember an interview with Suge where he said Daz was doing the production and Dre wasn't doing anything, which is why we saw all the Daz & Johnny J production on "All Eyez On Me."  I believe that they had to force Dre to mix Dogg Food otherwise we'd still be waiting for it since he was so slow.  Look at him now, it's the same thing -- he needs someone to push him to release some music, 10 years for one album is unacceptable ("Detox") so I could see where Pac & Suge were coming from.  I also remember that "California Love" was intended for "The Chronic 2" but Dre obviously agreed to move the track to Pac's album because he shot the video for it with Pac.  Tracks got moved around all the time on Death Row, that's nothing new...look at "Can't C Me," that was supposed to be for Dogg Food originally.  Even recent years, look at "Hood Star," that was Crook's big new single for the third attempt at a debut album and after Crook had his problem with Suge he re-recorded it with Petey Pablo on it.  Just like Young Doobie took Chocolate Bandit's "I'm Country" (Chronic 2000).  Tha Row did stuff like this all the time, so I can't really see how Dre would be upset about Cali Love when he shot the video for it knowing it was going on Pac's album.  Then he stopped production alltogether for "Chronic 2" and started working on a compilation album that he would eventually release on Aftermath.

I have to say that I agree with Pac in the sense that Dre is a BOMB producer, but he takes FOREVER to produce a track.  I also agree with you that Suge signed a bunch of acts and he didn't run them by Dre.  Dre was being nudged out of the company but he also was bringing it on himself by not participating in anything.  I think he was just frustrated because he wanted to take Death Row in a national format situation and work with artists like Nas where Suge's idea was to keep it Westcoast and thugged out, then eventually do a "Death Row East" (which was basically a takeover of the East Coast).

I also remember reading in a Suge interview that he discovered Kurupt at a birthday party when he freestyled for him.  Maybe someone from DubCNN could ask Kurupt this in his next interview.  But it's also obvious Kurupt was loyal to Suge as he resigned with Death Row to become Vice President of the label until it went into bankruptcy after the lawsuit.  Kurupt was cool with both Suge and Dre and he was the only rapper to be on both "The Chronic 2000" and Dr. Dre's "2001."
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Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
« Reply #176 on: October 22, 2009, 12:02:41 PM »
daz said he produced part of DOGGYSTYLE (murder was the case)   not the Chronic


either way Daz is not a trustable source
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Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
« Reply #177 on: October 22, 2009, 12:12:02 PM »
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
 

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« Reply #178 on: October 22, 2009, 12:12:16 PM »
daz claimed he did rat a tat tat
 

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« Reply #179 on: October 22, 2009, 12:32:42 PM »
Also, to add to the situation with Pac dissing Dre, Snoop said that he was encouraged to diss Biggie Smalls.  Even though Snoop & Kurupt recorded "New York New York," a diss track to the East Coast, he stopped after that track and their trailor got shot up and it began to get violent.  Snoop put the brakes on and said he wasn't going to take part in dissing Biggie.  Knowing this, Pac could have took this same route, but he didn't.  Pac was running around repping the "Westcoast Thuglife Outlawz" and dissing Dre for not being active and helping out with the production enough, dissing everyone on the Eastcoast who wasn't down with Death Row, and anyone who opposed Tha Row.  He was down with Methodman and Redman, and he was best friends with Treach (Naughty by Nature), and rumor has it they were going to be possibilities for Death Row East.

Pac and Snoop reportedly had a fallout when Snoop said he wasn't going to continue to push on with the "East/West" diss tracks because he didn't like the direction it was headed (turning violent).  This is why Tupac wasn't featured on "Tha Doggfather."  Pac, The Outlawz, Tha Dogg Pound, and OFTB were repping the West to the fullest for Death Row, and Westside Connection was riding hard for the West all over the East coast.  Tha Dogg Pound appeared on a diss track towards New York with Ice Cube's group Kausion called "I'll Do It."  Westside Connection's "Bow Down" was full of disses and they also recorded "Westside Slaughterhouse."

In a nutshell, Pac was riding hard for the Westcoast and Suge was behind him and he was out of control.  Dre went into hiding and started to record more positive music ("Dr. Dre presents..The Aftermath."), Snoop remained on Death Row but laid low and after Pac passed away Suge put him in artist purgatory and wouldn't release "Smokefest" (a lot of the tracks on Dead Man walkin were recorded during this period).  So Snoop feared for his safety and he was laying down, and he packed his bags for New Orleans to work for No Limit.

Meanwhile, in 1997-98, it was all about unreleased Pac tracks and the rumors that surrounded him.  Jimmy Iovine came to Suge and said he needs his artists "soften" his content.  Suge refused and Interscope slowly backed out on Suge before he went to Priority.  Dre signed with Jimmy and Interscope, softened his artists, and the effort as a more positive rapper didn't pickup.  Meanwhile, the media blackballed the West Coast, and the gangsta rap period came to a slow end.  Artists like Mase, DMX, Puff Daddy (Diddy), Jermaine Dupri, Jay-Z, Cash Money, and No Limit took control of the airwaves with Bling Bling rap.  Westcoast artists still sold Gold but would eventually die out the next 5 years as sales continually decreased because of no national radio and video support.  They had a smal surge in 99-2000 with the Up In Smoke Tour and a series of albums including Kurupt's "Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha," Dr. Dre "2001," Mr. Short Khop, Ice Cube, Chico & Coolwadda, 40 and Short droppin albums, but they just couldn't keep it going with the blackballing nationally and no major radio play and no video play on MTV.  Those artists like DMX and Cash Money overtook the West with all the major radio play and videos on MTV.
 

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Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
« Reply #180 on: October 22, 2009, 01:04:56 PM »
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???
 

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« Reply #181 on: October 22, 2009, 01:09:19 PM »
Damn wonder why it's so hard to get the CD in Canada from a Canadian company. Might take a rocket scientist to figure that one out
 

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« Reply #182 on: October 22, 2009, 01:34:50 PM »
fuck wideawake selling me an mp3 cd for $10
Guess who back in the motherfuckin house
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« Reply #183 on: October 22, 2009, 02:24:18 PM »
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
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Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
« Reply #184 on: October 22, 2009, 03:31:29 PM »
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
crooked
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« Reply #185 on: October 23, 2009, 04:44:48 AM »
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
crooked

crooked wasnt known then lol
 

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Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
« Reply #186 on: October 23, 2009, 06:33:27 AM »
daz said he produced part of DOGGYSTYLE (murder was the case)   not the Chronic


either way Daz is not a trustable source

Daz never said he produced "Murder Was The Case". He said he did "Ain't No Fun" and "Serial Killa" and he said that Emanuel Dean did "Gin & Juice".
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« Reply #187 on: October 26, 2009, 05:22:19 PM »
Still fighting through the thread, props for these great posts in here. Didnt know dubcc could still do it like that!
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« Reply #188 on: October 26, 2009, 06:06:16 PM »
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
crooked

crooked wasnt known then lol

He was correcting the "eye" reference in the line, not talking about Crooked I. Jesus, your stupidity never fails.
 

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« Reply #189 on: October 26, 2009, 06:56:34 PM »
^ Sorry you deathrow scholar lol. he mentioned crooked u idiot & i find it wee bit funny that he mentioned him.
 

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« Reply #190 on: October 26, 2009, 11:27:13 PM »
This finally arrived in the mail the other day, overall the albums pretty cool, good to heat that vintage death row sound. And also interesting to hear the creation process behind classic tracks. Mixing is bad, but not so bad to ruin the listening experience, some songs it is hard to hear the lyrics though... Gravy Train, Eat A Dick, Fallin Asleep On Death Row and Doggystyle would be the highlights for me so far...
 

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« Reply #191 on: October 27, 2009, 03:18:10 AM »
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
crooked

crooked wasnt known then lol

He was correcting the "eye" reference in the line, not talking about Crooked I. Jesus, your stupidity never fails.
he's definitely not being the stupid one in this case, look at the quotes.

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« Reply #192 on: October 27, 2009, 03:57:04 AM »
hoez has been out for over 10 years

Yup

Though not so much leaked as in Snoop put it out himself lol

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« Reply #193 on: October 27, 2009, 04:35:32 AM »

he's definitely not being the stupid one in this case, look at the quotes.


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« Reply #194 on: October 27, 2009, 06:19:15 AM »
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Dre has always said he enjoyed working with Pac and at the time said how usually he had to get rappers to rerecord vocals where as Pac just came in and laid the vocals down perfect 1st time in. What soured the relationship was Suges influence over Pac, and coupled with Daz's lies (I produced this track Dre didnt) is what probably led to Pac not liking Dre and then dissing him with lies that Suge and Daz told him (no wonder Dre wont work with Daz again).

Tupac was a grown man meaning he decides who he likes and who he doesn't like.  Pac dispised Dre to the point where he went on KMEL radio in the Bay Area and dissed him saying he's a bomb producer but he never produces any beats.  He continued to diss him on the radio interview.  He also has several tracks like "To Live And Die In LA," "Fuck Friends," "Toss It Up," etc.  When you're a grown man, you make your own decisions.  If he didn't have a problem with Dre, he wouldn't be dissing him.

I don't know who to believe as far as Daz is concerned.  I heard him say he produced parts of the Chronic but like you said who knows if he barely produced the track and Dre did all the work on it.  The mixing on that album is top notch.  Dre deserves an assist for "Dogg Food" but I also remember an interview with Suge where he said Daz was doing the production and Dre wasn't doing anything, which is why we saw all the Daz & Johnny J production on "All Eyez On Me."  I believe that they had to force Dre to mix Dogg Food otherwise we'd still be waiting for it since he was so slow.  Look at him now, it's the same thing -- he needs someone to push him to release some music, 10 years for one album is unacceptable ("Detox") so I could see where Pac & Suge were coming from.  I also remember that "California Love" was intended for "The Chronic 2" but Dre obviously agreed to move the track to Pac's album because he shot the video for it with Pac.  Tracks got moved around all the time on Death Row, that's nothing new...look at "Can't C Me," that was supposed to be for Dogg Food originally.  Even recent years, look at "Hood Star," that was Crook's big new single for the third attempt at a debut album and after Crook had his problem with Suge he re-recorded it with Petey Pablo on it.  Just like Young Doobie took Chocolate Bandit's "I'm Country" (Chronic 2000).  Tha Row did stuff like this all the time, so I can't really see how Dre would be upset about Cali Love when he shot the video for it knowing it was going on Pac's album.  Then he stopped production alltogether for "Chronic 2" and started working on a compilation album that he would eventually release on Aftermath.

I have to say that I agree with Pac in the sense that Dre is a BOMB producer, but he takes FOREVER to produce a track.  I also agree with you that Suge signed a bunch of acts and he didn't run them by Dre.  Dre was being nudged out of the company but he also was bringing it on himself by not participating in anything.  I think he was just frustrated because he wanted to take Death Row in a national format situation and work with artists like Nas where Suge's idea was to keep it Westcoast and thugged out, then eventually do a "Death Row East" (which was basically a takeover of the East Coast).

I also remember reading in a Suge interview that he discovered Kurupt at a birthday party when he freestyled for him.  Maybe someone from DubCNN could ask Kurupt this in his next interview.  But it's also obvious Kurupt was loyal to Suge as he resigned with Death Row to become Vice President of the label until it went into bankruptcy after the lawsuit.  Kurupt was cool with both Suge and Dre and he was the only rapper to be on both "The Chronic 2000" and Dr. Dre's "2001."

If thats what you want to believe thats fine. The truth is an entirely different story. Bottom line is Dre and Pac didnt hate each other, even Dre said in an interview in 2000 that he never blamed Pac for the beef, cause he knew Suge and ppl were in his ear feeding Pac bullshit, from Dre not producing songs to him being gay

Dre was a co owner, he had the right to pick and choose who he works with and how long he takes

Sneed was about to come out and Dre was working on that and his own shit he wasnt interested in Dogg Pound as much by the time 95-96 came around. Suge put pressure on Dre to do that as well as give 2Pac the california love track. Dre gave it up but i bet if it wasnt for the pressure from Suge he wouldve kept it for himself
 

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« Reply #195 on: October 27, 2009, 02:23:52 PM »
and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

yeah, cause 2pac wasn't running around shooting cops and raping women before he signed with Suge ;D
 

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« Reply #196 on: October 28, 2009, 03:14:24 AM »
and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

yeah, cause 2pac wasn't running around shooting cops and raping women before he signed with Suge ;D


Never did any such thing
 

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« Reply #197 on: October 28, 2009, 08:35:13 AM »
Of course not, I forgot that he said he was innocent!
 

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« Reply #198 on: October 29, 2009, 06:57:20 AM »
^ Was he ever charged with raping anyone?


I think you'll find the answer to that question is ... No.


I have no doubt he was guilty of what he was charged with.
 

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« Reply #199 on: October 29, 2009, 08:58:52 AM »
daz said he produced part of DOGGYSTYLE (murder was the case)   not the Chronic


either way Daz is not a trustable source

Daz never said he produced "Murder Was The Case". He said he did "Ain't No Fun" and "Serial Killa" and he said that Emanuel Dean did "Gin & Juice".

so if Daz produced Serial Killa, he must have taken Dre's Eat a Dick and added some shit to it. haha


i think if Daz produced Eat a Dick thats what it would have been listed as