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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2009, 05:31:05 AM »
Without a doubt Dre mixed it, thats why the album sounds so crisp and clean.  But to me, only Respect and Dogg Pound Gangstaz have that Dre vibe about them, and the rest sound like Daz/Soopafly style beats.

Maybe Daz Dilli himself would care to drop knowledge on this?  ???
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2009, 06:07:45 AM »
The argument about beats sounding more polished, layered and complex could be said about every producer who worked on records for Death Row back from 92-97.

Back then they had mulit-million dollar studios to work in (for free), a plethora of studio hands, junior producers, recording engineers, mixing engineers and musicians to assist them (for free), some of the most creative and talented producers in the game stumbling into their studio sessions to co-produce or otherwise contribute to their ideas etc, etc.  In addition to all that they had the immense pressure of creating music for a label that was dominating the West Coast market at the time.

Now a'days Daz makes music alone in his bedroom on his computer using Reason...a program that costs $300 bucks. So you can understand why the music sounds different.

As far as Daz's production methods are concerned, Mike Dean said that on the Dillinger and Young Gotti album all the records Daz gave him to work on just had the drums and vocals, maybe a hook or two, and he had to create the play the synths and keys. Which is consistent with what we knew of people like Soopafly's role which was to pay the keys on all Daz's stuff. It's the same thing Dre did and still does today with people like Mike Elizondo, Mauricio Iragorri, Dawaun Parker, Scott Storch, JT. Rotem et al. or whoever.

I think on Dogg Food Daz conceptualized a lot of the records and through the help of people like Soopafly, Emanuel "Porkchop" Dean, Dave Swang, Overdose and all the musicians (see Ricardo Rouse, Carl "Butch" Small etc) and a half-dozen or so recording/mixing engineers... helped Daz REALIZE the records and made them what they were.      


But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind if you dropped the Daz of 2009 in a 3 million dollar recording studio with a dozen people in it to help produce, play keys, bass and mix just like Dre has, then he could bang out another RR&GB easily.
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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2009, 06:28:38 AM »
you can tell it aint dre beat
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2009, 07:27:29 AM »
i think its stupid to assume that. why would we ever assume dr dre ghostproduced something when most of us have doubts if he produced most of his own songs?

the beats sound like daz not dr dre. the beats sound simplistic and one layered like they were a step in daz's production evolving. compare it to the rich sounds of cant see me it sounds nothing like it. d.o.c. says he finds the dogg food beats boring even. i like them but i can see where hes coming from. i dont think they're even close to dres standard at the time.

and plus dre didn't even really fuck with piano at the time. theres a handful of piano based songs (dream about gettin paid, dp gangstaz) daz was into piano around that time. he went on to produce ambitionz and amerikkkaz most wanted just one year later. dre wasnt into piano at the time look at cant see me or cali love. he was doing the synth thing and dogg pound isnt that synth heavy.

Well both Cant C Me and Cali Love are piano-based songs, as are a bulk of the dre beats on the aftermath compilation. So I wouldnt use that as a valid argument

i wouldn't call cant see me piano based. its driven by the bass and has a wide variety of instruments. dogg food has more "minimalistic" piano based beats that remind me of like bosses life, the wash, etc. i don't think dre fucked with that sound at that time. it just reminds me of like ambitionz. like uses very little else to the beat and anything that is second to a very prominent piano.
i mean it pretty much boils down to listening and hearing that daz style of beat in dogg food and not that dre style when i hear dogg food.
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2009, 07:34:27 AM »
I hope "Dogg Pound Gangstaz (Dr. Dre Remix)" will be droppin in the future since WideAwake has it.
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2009, 07:40:55 AM »
Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2009, 07:51:18 AM »
Niggas really tryin to say Daz aint capable of makin dog food. Have u listened to revengen, retaliation, get back. Production was on the same level imo. I know dre is the goat but damn get off his nuts man. Niggas talkin bout beats ddnt have piano, not layered, blah blah blah. They'res so many different elements on so many songs how can u really tell.Besides they were all in the studio togethter so I'm sure input was commin from everywhere including warren g, sam sneed, etc.

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2009, 07:57:16 AM »
I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
well i'm sure he has helped a bit & he mixed the album, but don't forget that he went to jail & after that started to work at home.

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2009, 07:59:29 AM »
I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.

The beat of "Get Wit Da Wickedness (Flow Like That) (Remix)" is  :o
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2009, 08:37:25 AM »
I know from an interview that Dre offered Daz a whole Cd of beats but Daz refused them. Nevertheless Lets Play House even credits Dre for mixing.
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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2009, 09:05:32 AM »
The argument about beats sounding more polished, layered and complex could be said about every producer who worked on records for Death Row back from 92-97.

Back then they had mulit-million dollar studios to work in (for free), a plethora of studio hands, junior producers, recording engineers, mixing engineers and musicians to assist them (for free), some of the most creative and talented producers in the game stumbling into their studio sessions to co-produce or otherwise contribute to their ideas etc, etc.  In addition to all that they had the immense pressure of creating music for a label that was dominating the West Coast market at the time.

Now a'days Daz makes music alone in his bedroom on his computer using Reason...a program that costs $300 bucks. So you can understand why the music sounds different.

As far as Daz's production methods are concerned, Mike Dean said that on the Dillinger and Young Gotti album all the records Daz gave him to work on just had the drums and vocals, maybe a hook or two, and he had to create the play the synths and keys. Which is consistent with what we knew of people like Soopafly's role which was to pay the keys on all Daz's stuff. It's the same thing Dre did and still does today with people like Mike Elizondo, Mauricio Iragorri, Dawaun Parker, Scott Storch, JT. Rotem et al. or whoever.

I think on Dogg Food Daz conceptualized a lot of the records and through the help of people like Soopafly, Emanuel "Porkchop" Dean, Dave Swang, Overdose and all the musicians (see Ricardo Rouse, Carl "Butch" Small etc) and a half-dozen or so recording/mixing engineers... helped Daz REALIZE the records and made them what they were.      


But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind if you dropped the Daz of 2009 in a 3 million dollar recording studio with a dozen people in it to help produce, play keys, bass and mix just like Dre has, then he could bang out another RR&GB easily.
Quality post, +1, I agree with everything

RR&GB to me sounded so good because Daz still had that team of people with superior mixng/mastering/engineering skills behind him, as well as the musicians.All of them oversaw the project and that's why it came out as good as it did.To me RAW is a much weaker album production wise, and that's why I see camparisons between it and RR&GB unreasonable.

I didn't really feel the production on Necessary Roughness at first. but after a couple of listens I started to really appreciate it, and I def think it was not a rushed album, again with the whole team and Daz and Premier overseeing the whole thing
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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2009, 09:22:54 AM »
Yall are crazy if you dont think DRE produced "RESPECT" and  "LETS PLAY HOUSE"   not only does he have his vocals on the start of both but the beats are soooooooooo bangin and sound exactly like dres style that was evolving around that time.
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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2009, 10:21:53 AM »
I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
U guys are silly as fuck..now what the fuck do dj premier has to do with him and daz doing the production on rages albume?wow yall be reaching deep...trying to discredit a muthafuckaz. :(
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2009, 10:22:02 AM »
Yall are crazy if you dont think DRE produced "RESPECT" and  "LETS PLAY HOUSE"   not only does he have his vocals on the start of both but the beats are soooooooooo bangin and sound exactly like dres style that was evolving around that time.


The only thing "Dre" sounding in those two songs (besides his voice) is that piano IMO, which is just a keyboard lying around a studio that anyone could have played on.

On both the drums sound like Daz, and the increased repetition and lack of sporadic "show-up-once" instrumentation is more inline with Daz's production style as opposed to Dre.

The reality is we'll never know definitively, but I have a hard time buying Dre produced those songs outright and wouldn't take credit for them. Actually, I have a hard time believing Dre had a hand in any aspect of production and wouldn't take full credit for it.  
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2009, 10:29:02 AM »
Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre
Its classic the way it is....shut  up and go to bed.saying silly shit.15yr olds talking out of place.
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2009, 10:36:11 AM »
I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
well i'm sure he has helped a bit & he mixed the album, but don't forget that he went to jail & after that started to work at home.
BOY!!what in the hell are u talking about..think befor u talk(jesus christ!!)dre went to jail in the year of( 92-93 home arrest)meaning he had to where a ankle brace....listen to the Ogs on here we trying to tell your strang ass something...fucking groupie..close this thread its getting crazy......and detox aint comeing.
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2009, 10:38:16 AM »
Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre
Its classic the way it is....shut  up and go to bed.saying silly shit.15yr olds talking out of place.

I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
well i'm sure he has helped a bit & he mixed the album, but don't forget that he went to jail & after that started to work at home.
BOY!!what in the hell are u talking about..think befor u talk(jesus christ!!)dre went to jail in the year of( 92-93 home arrest)meaning he had to where a ankle brace....listen to the Ogs on here we trying to tell your strang ass something...fucking groupie..close this thread its getting crazy......and detox aint comeing.
go to rehab crackhead

also, LOL at you talking about OGs, hahaha ;D

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2009, 01:04:59 PM »
I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
U guys are silly as fuck..now what the fuck do dj premier has to do with him and daz doing the production on rages albume?wow yall be reaching deep...trying to discredit a muthafuckaz. :(
check the booklet before saying I'm discrediting anyone, which I'm not even doing...
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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2009, 01:24:03 PM »
I think he might have, you can tell he was heavily involved



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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2009, 02:56:59 PM »
I think he might have, you can tell he was heavily involved



Daz hasn't made better beaqts since

Cats have mentioned that when Dre mixes a record he can make it sound completely different. I think Daz did most of the work on this album for this simple fact "Can't C Me" wasn't on here, because he didn't want Dre beats on the album...
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2009, 04:29:50 PM »
Lots of different opinions going around...The one thing everyone can agree with is that "Dogg Food" was easily Daz's strongest album production-wise, and it was his first. Nobody is saying that Daz wasn't a good producer, but if you believe that his first beats were both his best and closest to the Dr. Dre sound, then you come off as naive...add to the fact that Snoop and Michel'le both claimed Dre did production on "Dogg Food", and you can at the very least conclude that Dre co-produced on some of the tracks..PeACe
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2009, 04:45:40 PM »
Everybody at DeathRow was working together from 93-96.  It was probably just like they said in the credits with Dre (Maybe/probably) adding a few touches here n there (which is part of the job of a Engineer/Mixer btw).  People stop imagining shit and stop talking about albums 15 years old for jesus sakes.  It was credited in the Re-Mastered version and OG Version, leave it at that.  Yeah some of the tracks sound Dr. Dre-like but what WestCoast music since 2004 hasn't sounded like a Dr. Dre beat?  Everybody from Nipsey Hussle to Mac Shawn has used a Dre-inspired sounding beat which is most likely what Daz & Soopa and all of them did (including Dre, if u get what i'm saying).  Dr. Dre would've taken credit or cash under tha table (and we'll never hear of it) if it was like that.  No need to carry on.  Next topic....


*bettr than anything on DoggFood.  This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2009, 08:02:37 PM »
imo Dre must've. Daz hasn't made beats like that since.
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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2009, 08:17:09 PM »
Everybody at DeathRow was working together from 93-96.  It was probably just like they said in the credits with Dre (Maybe/probably) adding a few touches here n there (which is part of the job of a Engineer/Mixer btw).  People stop imagining shit and stop talking about albums 15 years old for jesus sakes.  It was credited in the Re-Mastered version and OG Version, leave it at that.  Yeah some of the tracks sound Dr. Dre-like but what WestCoast music since 2004 hasn't sounded like a Dr. Dre beat?  Everybody from Nipsey Hussle to Mac Shawn has used a Dre-inspired sounding beat which is most likely what Daz & Soopa and all of them did (including Dre, if u get what i'm saying).  Dr. Dre would've taken credit or cash under tha table (and we'll never hear of it) if it was like that.  No need to carry on.  Next topic....


*bettr than anything on DoggFood.  This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.

lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2009, 08:22:47 PM »
Everybody at DeathRow was working together from 93-96.  It was probably just like they said in the credits with Dre (Maybe/probably) adding a few touches here n there (which is part of the job of a Engineer/Mixer btw).  People stop imagining shit and stop talking about albums 15 years old for jesus sakes.  It was credited in the Re-Mastered version and OG Version, leave it at that.  Yeah some of the tracks sound Dr. Dre-like but what WestCoast music since 2004 hasn't sounded like a Dr. Dre beat?  Everybody from Nipsey Hussle to Mac Shawn has used a Dre-inspired sounding beat which is most likely what Daz & Soopa and all of them did (including Dre, if u get what i'm saying).  Dr. Dre would've taken credit or cash under tha table (and we'll never hear of it) if it was like that.  No need to carry on.  Next topic....


*bettr than anything on DoggFood.  This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.

lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.


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