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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2009, 05:30:43 PM »
^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right?  Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?

Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR.  His name sold records.  Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.

Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch!  Dr. Dre sells records!

There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them.  They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine.  If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.


I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.

Its not ridiculous at all...your logic is ridiculous.  DJ Pooh produced both Smooth and NY, NY.  Smooth was the original first single of the album, and NY NY ended up being the 2nd single.  So that basically throws your entire theory out the window.  If they were trying to market and make Daz the next big producer, then why have DJ Pooh produced singles?

 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2009, 05:35:37 PM »
^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right?  Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?

Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR.  His name sold records.  Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.

Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch!  Dr. Dre sells records!

There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them.  They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine.  If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.


I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.

Its not ridiculous at all...your logic is ridiculous.  DJ Pooh produced both Smooth and NY, NY.  Smooth was the original first single of the album, and NY NY ended up being the 2nd single.  So that basically throws your entire theory out the window.  If they were trying to market and make Daz the next big producer, then why have DJ Pooh produced singles?


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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2009, 07:23:36 PM »
^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right?  Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?

Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR.  His name sold records.  Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.

Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch!  Dr. Dre sells records!

There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them.  They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine.  If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.
I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.
Its not ridiculous at all...your logic is ridiculous.  DJ Pooh produced both Smooth and NY, NY.  Smooth was the original first single of the album, and NY NY ended up being the 2nd single.  So that basically throws your entire theory out the window.  If they were trying to market and make Daz the next big producer, then why have DJ Pooh produced singles?


Both of you are right.  But I think it's safe to say that Dre put something towards the production.  Daz did a little something on The Chronic & Doggystyle (we need to stop obsessing and talking about these albums btw, this shit is mad corny now) and Dre was listed as the producer so Dre probably returned the favor on DoggFood and called it a day.
 

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« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2009, 08:11:02 PM »
i think quik had his hands in dogg food...

kuz david blake is in the notes..
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2009, 09:55:23 PM »
^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right?  Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?

Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR.  His name sold records.  Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.

Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch!  Dr. Dre sells records!

There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them.  They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine.  If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.


I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.

Its not ridiculous at all...your logic is ridiculous.  DJ Pooh produced both Smooth and NY, NY.  Smooth was the original first single of the album, and NY NY ended up being the 2nd single.  So that basically throws your entire theory out the window.  If they were trying to market and make Daz the next big producer, then why have DJ Pooh produced singles?




"Lets Play House" was the lead single and it was credited as a Daz beat (sounds identical to a Dre production, though)
 

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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2009, 11:02:16 PM »
i feel you but if i had to go on what my ear says, Daz' production on dogg food, while dre influenced, doesn't sound like the handiwork of dr.dre except maaaaaybe let's play house and even that is tenuous speculation. daz's shit has a more metered, programmed sound. I am pretty familiar with Daz's work and it is consistent with how he would continue to sound for the next decade...

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« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2009, 12:38:55 PM »
i think quik had his hands in dogg food...

kuz david blake is in the notes..




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Re: YOUR OPINION: Did Dr. Dre ghost produce on "Dogg Food"?
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2009, 02:52:14 PM »
Maybe I'm boring or I'm getting too old for this $hit, but it's really lame having to read the conspiracy theorists always talking this and that about ghost production.

Is there something wrong with me for believing Dre produced Chronic and Doggystyle, while Daz produced Dogg Food?

Dre's production team on The Chronic is listed in the booklet.  Daz' production team on Dogg Food is also listed in the booklet.  But that's not good enough for the conspiracy theorists  ::)

Unless and until Dr. Dre himself breaks the news that Daz and Warren G produced tracks on The Chronic and Doggystyle, or Daz himself admits Dre produced on Dogg Food, I don't believe any of these Internet rumors.  You know, what's more believable -- official production credits listed in the CD booklet, or some wispered conspiracy rumors that keep floating around on the Internet?  Which one is more legitimate and permissable as evidence in a court of law?  That alone should answer the question posed by this thread.  Conspiracy theorists can believe what they want, but that doesn't mean they are in touch with reality.

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"Detox" is a myth -- Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Area 51, Iraq having WMD, Detox...you get it now?  It was invented by the Aftermath marketing department to maintain the fans' attention.  Notice how everytime a new Aftermath album is ready to come out, they always mention Detox is next up?  Because they are using the invention of "Detox" as a way to market other albums.  The sooner you realize that Detox is NOT REAL, the sooner you'll feel liberated.  Oh yeah, f.u. Aftermath for fooling us fans.
 

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« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2009, 03:55:42 PM »
Only thing that sounds Dre influenced to me is Let's Play House, the drums especially. but that could just be the drums only, not the production.

or, how bout you just ask Daz? dude livestreams every now and then.
 

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« Reply #84 on: November 13, 2009, 05:46:41 AM »
Only thing that sounds Dre influenced to me is Let's Play House, the drums especially. but that could just be the drums only, not the production.

or, how bout you just ask Daz? dude livestreams every now and then.

thats what i was gonna say. michelle said in the deathrowforum.com interview that dre first gave the beat to her and then dogg pound twisted it
 

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« Reply #85 on: November 13, 2009, 05:56:46 AM »
i feel you but if i had to go on what my ear says, Daz' production on dogg food, while dre influenced, doesn't sound like the handiwork of dr.dre except maaaaaybe let's play house and even that is tenuous speculation. daz's shit has a more metered, programmed sound. I am pretty familiar with Daz's work and it is consistent with how he would continue to sound for the next decade...

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I agree with this 100%. 

Maybe Dre had a big hand in mixing, though. And if he did, they may have intentionally not credited him for it because of the Ruthless drama.

I say that because I believe at that point that Eazy was still owed some of any Dre related royalties from Ruthless.  "Dre Day make Eazy pay day."
 

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« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2009, 10:07:51 AM »
i feel you but if i had to go on what my ear says, Daz' production on dogg food, while dre influenced, doesn't sound like the handiwork of dr.dre except maaaaaybe let's play house and even that is tenuous speculation. daz's shit has a more metered, programmed sound. I am pretty familiar with Daz's work and it is consistent with how he would continue to sound for the next decade...

-T

I agree with this 100%. 

Maybe Dre had a big hand in mixing, though. And if he did, they may have intentionally not credited him for it because of the Ruthless drama.

I say that because I believe at that point that Eazy was still owed some of any Dre related royalties from Ruthless.  "Dre Day make Eazy pay day."

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I'm willing to bet that Dr. Dre produced most of Dogg Food if not all of it.
« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2010, 03:52:18 PM »
Just listen to it front to back. Dre is on there, you hear him at the start of Let's Play House, Respect. He's in the credits. He was the main producer at Death Row at that time but more than anything it's the sound of the music. It SOUNDS like Dre. Even if it's really Daz producing this (which I doubt, he's completely doing Dre's thing. I think it was something along the lines of Dre producing the thing with Daz at his side taking notes and learning and at the end Dre for some reason decided to or was forced into giving Daz credit for producing the album.
 

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Dre produced it, Daz, DJ Pooh and others made the beats. Even Snoop Dogg said that Dre doesn't create the beats but he produces the records and he said that Dr. Dre produced "What Would You Do" too plus he said that Warren G and Daz had beats on "The Chronic" but Dre produced the records.
 

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There's just a general confusion over what a producer is.
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There's just a general confusion over what a producer is.

Yeah, that's true and this topic is another proof of it. People still think that Dre makes the beats himself. He has a band of musicians that's in his control. In the Death Row days he had Warren G, Daz, J.Flexx, Sam Sneed and others, when he was workin' on "2001" he had Mel-Man, Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo and others. It's the truth and the truth hurts some people.
 

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There's just a general confusion over what a producer is.

Yes. In most cases, dre doesnt necessarily play the instruments, he is more of a musical director. He leads the musicians to create a sound he wants.
 

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There's just a general confusion over what a producer is.

Yeah, that's true and this topic is another proof of it. People still think that Dre makes the beats himself. He has a band of musicians that's in his control. In the Death Row days he had Warren G, Daz, J.Flexx, Sam Sneed and others, when he was workin' on "2001" he had Mel-Man, Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo and others. It's the truth and the truth hurts some people.

and there you go, Okka just cosigned what i said . So what Devil surely meant was that it's the Dre sound that's present all along the album. That's true, just that DRE is just one of the many people responsible for the DRE sound lol.
 

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this is basically the same exact thread NIK made a few months back
 

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this is basically the same exact thread NIK made a few months back

This is basically the same exact thread you see on the WCC section every month at least once :D
 

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The.Ultimate.Pianist where's that 50 Cent GIF from?


I filmed it myself on my phone when I told him Game was in the studio every night with Dre.  ;D

haha seriously tho...

I might be wrong, but if i'm not mistaken it's from one of the Pimpin Curly episodes where Curly meets 50 cent.

Edit: its the episode where 50 cent the hustler meets 50 cent the business man.
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Daz produced the album, i think dre mixed it ..dj pooh produced and mixed 2 tracks ...soopafly played keys ...this album is signature Daz...dre aint do shit here ..but just mix it down .anyone have that one old mtv raps episode where they had daz in the studio working on "reality" ....and then kurupt and rage did a lil freestyle...it makes sense to have dre on the album since he is famous ..its a business move..plus at the time delores tucker was on their azz ..and coolio had hit after hit ..correct me if im wrong ?? you have to distinguish between
producer - daz, dj pooh and i think kurupt or soopa did that one last track "So much style"..
musicians - soopafly and carl butch small, diggity daz
mixer - dr dre
mastering - mastering co.

just like 2pac all eyez on me ..dj quick mixed that entire record...no ???

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Yes. In most cases, dre doesnt necessarily play the instruments, he is more of a musical director. He leads the musicians to create a sound he wants.
Well, that's generally the role of the producer. The problem with rap is people fixate on who made the beat when it ain't really that important or at least, it's not the whole aspect of what being a producer is. For me, a greater discussion that kind of came and went without a whole lot of attention was that Crooked I freestyle track on that Death Row boxset that was credited as "produced by Dr. Dre". There to me was borderline false advertising. I can accept Dre as a credited producer on a track if he takes someone beat and adds his own layers to it, constructs the chorus, has a hand in either coaching the rapper or twisting the acapella, and puts his creative stamp of approval on the finished product. I don't think if a rapper takes a Dre instrumental and rhymes over it, that it's produced by Dre.

I'd venture to argue Dre had little to do with "Dogg Food". He obviously influenced it but by 1995, the basic concensious was Dre was not as heavily involved with Death Row as he once was. Outside of the well-documented issues from that time of Dre mostly working at his own in-house studio, there was a very visible creative shift around 1994 or so were the projects were moving in a much different direction. D.O.C. and RBX were gone. The projects that were coming out at that time were good but "Murder Was The Case" and "Above The Rim" were clearly not entirely overseen by Dre. I'm sure Dre was coaching Daz quite a bit at this point but "Dogg Food" is not a Dr. Dre-helmed project anymore than "All Eyez On Me" is.

As for the topic itself, there was a nearly-identical thread like two months ago. The West really needs more going on. We're still talking about albums from 1992-97 and the discussion is just redudant.