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To truly repent?
« on: November 11, 2009, 10:09:39 PM »
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Got a call from my homeboy stationed out in Afghanistan the other day.


And he said "yeah its normal in Afghan society for men to have sex with each other but they don't consider themselves gay," apparently its part of their culture and "because they are Muslims and it is against their religion, all they have to do is confess once a week and then after they just keep doing it".

I didn't believe him at first, and I said "bullshit" but he was like "nah man its true...I..seen it". And he said that even at the Afghan national army bases even the Afghan soldiers have like this special place where they go for...that...

I was like "why don't they just fuck women". But apparently women are non-existent in Afghan society wrapped like mummies and its even normal for Afghan men to have sex with little boys and homeboy said yeah they dress the boys up and put makeup on em and shit. Women are suppose to stay home and cook and plough the field or whatever and little boys are for fun.

Also, Afghan men will hang a shit anywhere and whenever and act like it ain't no thing and continue on without breaking their gaze or pace of conversation with you.

And apparently the country is utter shit, no electricity, its all mostly agriculture. Like fucking Age of Empires II.

Anyway that aspect of Islam reminds me of Catholicism, where you can do anything, even the stuff that violates your own faith as long as you repent once a week.

It would appear that as Islam characteristically represses promiscuous heterosexuality this has adverse and amplified effects such as heightened levels of homosexual behavior and pedophilia in Afghan society.
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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2009, 10:47:09 PM »
actually according to Islam, what they are doing is still considered homosexuality and the repenting is meaningless in this point.

by repenting, you realize that you've done something against your faith and are apologizing for doing it; along with that, you're also promising you won't be committing what is against your faith, such as homosexuality.

and there also isn't a 'system' in Islam where if you repent once a week, you are automatically forgiven and then can go back and do the same thing again.
      
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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2009, 10:47:30 PM »
I don't know why. The Qu'ran says the same shit as The Bible. It's gross sin.

There's crazy denominations of all Faiths out there. That don't follow what The Book preaches.

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Anyway that aspect of Islam reminds me of Catholicism, where you can do anything, even the stuff that violates your own faith as long as you repent once a week.
We know that shit is wrong though.
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2009, 10:49:20 PM »
actually according to Islam, what they are doing is still considered homosexuality and the repenting is meaningless in this point.

by repenting, you realize that you've done something against your faith and are apologizing for doing it; along with that, you're also promising you won't be committing what is against your faith, such as homosexuality.

and there also isn't a 'system' in Islam where if you repent once a week, you are automatically forgiven and then can go back and do the same thing again.

For real and ya ass gotta feel guilty bout doin' it, otherwise it's vain.
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2009, 10:51:51 PM »
To truly repent is to truly regret your actions. You don't truly regret your actions if you keep repeating them.
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 10:52:43 PM »
To truly repent is to truly regret your actions. You don't truly regret your actions if you keep repeating them.
Exactly.

 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 11:10:36 PM »
To truly repent is to truly regret your actions. You don't truly regret your actions if you keep repeating them.
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Hit the nail on the head.
      
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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2009, 01:05:28 AM »
i heard about the kids in makeup and shit, theres so many orphans because of the wars that its easy for people to basically buy kids and do what they want with them
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2009, 01:23:43 AM »
i heard about the kids in makeup and shit, theres so many orphans because of the wars that its easy for people to basically buy kids and do what they want with them

u ever read that one kite story with the little nigga hassan
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2009, 03:03:19 AM »
why does your friend watch men fuck?
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2009, 09:45:51 AM »
My brother said the other day that he saw a lot of homosexuals out there when he was serving in Gulf War.
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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2009, 09:53:29 AM »
Homosexuality's normal for fuckin' lifers too but it don't make it right. And we know them homo-thugs locked up don't consider themselves gay either.
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2009, 12:08:03 PM »
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2009, 02:23:39 PM »
General lack of tolerance tends to breed more odd behavior than a society with liberal values does.
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2009, 05:36:08 PM »

why does your friend watch men fuck?

LOL I dunno...I didn't feel to ask any follow-up questions on that topic.




The conversation inevitably shifted to the Taliban and things of that nature.

Its warfare out there.

Homeboy had crazy war-stories: how the locals in an area opened a brothel, and even though it is against Islam there was a celebration in the area with the locals opening it because it was like they were entering a new age (bear in mind it is medieval times out there).

They had women from Malaysia and from around the way apparently working there.

A month or so later the Taliban stormed the joint killed everybody...cut the heads off all the women and arranged the heads together, then left taking the naked headless female corpses with

them.....the Taliban later scattered them all around the town and surrounding area for the soldiers and locals to find.

 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2009, 05:38:03 PM »
John Simpson a veteran BBC reporter appeared on BBC Radio 4 and they were discussing Afghanistan and when asked about Afghanistan by the presenter, he simply said that I don't know why they are continuing to spend money on the military and arms there, he said what these people need is some form of hope for the future. He went on to say that through any reasonable economic indicator Afghanistan is the fourth poorest country in the world. Now of course John Simpson knows the game but he is of course trying to tread carefully within mainstream parameters. Nontheless, people aren't getting it, these people have nothing and then they witness western troops destroying the pittance of existence they do have. They can play the card of the taliban all they like but the fact is that afghanis while divided along sectarian lines hate invaders and the only reason why the war lords aren't turning against the western troops en masse is because they are paid off.

Lol I don't know about the homosexuality but certainly Iraq and Afghanistan are essentially a test bed for the mercenaries that help to destroy those countries all the more.

Re Also what you said about the taliban doing great evil, only highlights that there is no mandate for being there, because the Northern Alliance are just as evil, remember when they entered Kabul during the last overthrow of the Taliban they ran around setting fire to women.
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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2009, 07:43:18 PM »
i heard about the kids in makeup and shit, theres so many orphans because of the wars that its easy for people to basically buy kids and do what they want with them

u ever read that one kite story with the little nigga hassan
yeah i actually i read that shit on an airplane a couple years ago, but i heard about the orphan shit other than that book. now that i think about it wasnt there a bunch of gay shit in that book? the taliban kid rapes the poor kid or some shit?
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2009, 02:05:20 PM »
i heard about the kids in makeup and shit, theres so many orphans because of the wars that its easy for people to basically buy kids and do what they want with them

u ever read that one kite story with the little nigga hassan
yeah i actually i read that shit on an airplane a couple years ago, but i heard about the orphan shit other than that book. now that i think about it wasnt there a bunch of gay shit in that book? the taliban kid rapes the poor kid or some shit?

yeah there were two rapes in that story. That book is a must-read in my opinion, I think it's called the kite runner. Shit is crazy in Afghanistan
 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2009, 09:13:15 PM »
afghanistan is a fukked up country, since russia shitted on it last century, what do u expect?  mix that commy shit with extreme islam and u get  a sick society.  they havent been educated and they have no way of finding out about anything else.  so whateva they grow them thats how they turn out.  
but they also have a good 20% of them that are educated and middle class...unfortunately most of them left the country years ago or they continue to leave.  most of them who migrated to US, europe and other places are quite successful and some make good money.  also there are millions of them in surrounding countries like iran, working mostly as workers, kinda like mexican immigrants in US

 

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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2009, 06:32:53 AM »
To truly repent is to truly regret your actions. You don't truly regret your actions if you keep repeating them.
Exactly.



Hit the nail on the head.

Word.
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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2009, 07:18:03 AM »
afghanistan is a fukked up country, since russia shitted on it last century, what do u expect?  mix that commy shit with extreme islam and u get  a sick society.  they havent been educated and they have no way of finding out about anything else.  so whateva they grow them thats how they turn out.  
but they also have a good 20% of them that are educated and middle class...unfortunately most of them left the country years ago or they continue to leave.  most of them who migrated to US, europe and other places are quite successful and some make good money.  also there are millions of them in surrounding countries like iran, working mostly as workers, kinda like mexican immigrants in US




I understand. Actually thats why I changed the thread title. Toned it down a lil'...It is not a fair representation of Afghani people.

Afghanistan's society is in bad shape..not just its security situation. Its pointless to point fingers at the country's faults. Without recognizing the positives as well.



A lot of things about their society are awesome. They live totally agrarian. And Afghanistan's countryside is dope...(environmentally and literally).



Its off the scale how much that country can make supplying the world and make whoever, the Taliban or the international coalition incredible guap. OFF THE SCALE.


Inconceivable guap. Its not even an issue of making money no more, the issue is WHO makes the money. You want the Taliban being the national supplier or the international coalition?


Develop some 21st century weaponry and smoke the assholes out. Fuck the Taliban.


We must lay the foundation for a respected government built upon popular support.

We have to encourage and socially-engineer a demos in Afghanistan: import heaps of video arcades, foreign beverages, music (especially), consumer goods, coca-cola, chewing gum, snacks! Food and stuff...until it becomes so pervasive and part of society that the Taliban can no longer stop it...



And most importantly: protect the people: they must begin to feel their security intertwined with the international coalition.




Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves.
And goodness - what God desires - [pointing at his head then heart] is here and here.
By what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man [smiles] or not.


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Re: homosexuality normal for Afgan Muslims
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2009, 07:45:40 AM »
afghanistan is a fukked up country, since russia shitted on it last century, what do u expect?  mix that commy shit with extreme islam and u get  a sick society.  they havent been educated and they have no way of finding out about anything else.  so whateva they grow them thats how they turn out.  
but they also have a good 20% of them that are educated and middle class...unfortunately most of them left the country years ago or they continue to leave.  most of them who migrated to US, europe and other places are quite successful and some make good money.  also there are millions of them in surrounding countries like iran, working mostly as workers, kinda like mexican immigrants in US




I understand. Actually thats why I changed the thread title. Toned it down a lil'...It is not a fair representation of Afghani people.

Afghanistan's society is in bad shape..not just its security situation. Its pointless to point fingers at the country's faults. Without recognizing the positives as well.

Needless to say they are probably worse off today than they were even back then, once again the west raping and pillaging, or should i say a handful of western interests raping and pillaging.



A lot of things about their society are awesome. They live totally agrarian. And Afghanistan's countryside is dope...(environmentally and literally).
Yep I agree with that although I don't think there is a lot of countryside per sa  ;D

Its off the scale how much that country can make supplying the world and make whoever, the Taliban or the international coalition incredible guap. OFF THE SCALE.

Inconceivable guap. Its not even an issue of making money no more, the issue is WHO makes the money. You want the Taliban being the national supplier or the international coalition?

Actually that's a huge distortion as yields have increased over 1000% since the western drug dealers took over. It is a matter of morality because you can't say you want to look the other way while the west is fllooded in opium and then give some insignificant small time dealer 10 years in jail and indeed prosecute the drug takers to. The game is a rigged one and it's sick as fuck

Develop some 21st century weaponry and smoke the assholes out. Fuck the Taliban.

Fuck the Taliban, Fuck the western drug dealers and fuck the Northern Alliance

We must lay the foundation for a respected government built upon popular support.

These are just semantics you saw what happened when the palestinian elected Hamas, it's only respected if the said government is in the back pockets of their masters


We have to encourage and socially-engineer a demos in Afghanistan: import heaps of video arcades, foreign beverages, music (especially), consumer goods, coca-cola, chewing gum, snacks! Food and stuff...until it becomes so pervasive and part of society that the Taliban can no longer stop it...

Lol it's not just the Taliban

And most importantly: protect the people: they must begin to feel their security intertwined with the international coalition.

They don't give a flying fuck about these people, just another economy which they have hollowed out, like they have all over Europe to. This is about controlling the resources nothing more, and it's not in the interests of an occupier to protect the people, that's rule 101, you want to keep the people divided, undermine their own free will, plant huge bombs which then then see bigger reprisals.

Don't you remember the SAS men in Iraq dressed up like arabs? that is the norm unfortunately




Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves.
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Re: To truly repent?
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2009, 08:17:09 AM »



For as long as it endures humanity will always hope and aspire, regardless of the rule of power.
You can afford to look at the world with an optimistic view every now and then; or else there is no clear way forward except always the negative direction. If we do not think about what we would like the future to be there is no direction; because without vision and dreams the negative status-quo simply remains.







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Re: To truly repent?
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2009, 10:36:20 AM »

In that case the best thing we do collectively is demand complete withdrawal because these people are parasites and for as long as they are there, it's never going to be in their interests to do "the right thing"
 

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Re: To truly repent?
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2009, 06:16:08 PM »





The alternatives are terrible either way. Drug dealers are part of reality, its not like Western drug dealers are anything to be ashamed of, in a manner of speaking. The reality is even if the Taliban are there, they will continue to supply. Its not like either side will cut out the distribution or is a better distributor and will not flood the market so much, because that can simply change without control of the flow. At least this way we can choose who makes the money: which Afghan warlord gets the guap, instead of allowing the Taliban to take complete income. At least this way we can control and influence. In this day and age, nobody wants an organization like the Taliban clocking Afghanistan's income, not China, not the US, not Russia, not Australia.



Otherwise you are not realistically judging and weighing the evils against one-another; its simply juvenile to say 'fuck them all lets withdraw because the West is evil and so is the Taliban'.  That point of view is frankly childish and does not realistically consider the alternatives. Its is also moronic and cliche to say 'these people don't care about the Afghani people'. The influence the military has is limited.The military can do little for the Afghan society without security and in a lot of ways even that has it's limits until Afghan society changes, but at least they have a chance to change this way.

The international coalition has been building heaps of stuff for the people there like mosques and schools to develop goodwill and 'win hearts and minds'  but the people sadly dismantle the shit and steal the materials to renovate their own houses and to sell to each other. 


This is why we need to change their thinking and win hearts and minds using different methods: asymmetric psychological warfare mutherfuckers. That is why we need to pound them with globalized culture: arcade games, porn, chewing gum, food items, basketballs, sport, music, block-buster movies, games, etc. Like what China is doing/has done with Tibet culturally, like the effect that the USA had on the Philippines after WWII. Until it is so pervasive the Taliban will realize that socially it is fighting a losing battle as globalized culture and social values begin to pervade throughout Afghani life. From there the people's thinking and psychology will increasingly change and they will begin to see a vision of the future without the Taliban and more intertwined with the international coalition.