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Evolution
« on: November 30, 2009, 03:17:06 PM »


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Re: Evolution
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 03:46:03 PM »


Queen Sikotic got published?


the fact that you believe so strongly in evolution (without any real backings or even a conclusion that u came up ur self) makes you dis-credible  as the same religious fanatics u talk shit about.


not once have you made a deep response or a deep statement. u basically repeat what other atheist say; the same thing religious fanatics do when they repeat pastors and priests. and you put no thought into it at all. your not cool because you dont believe in a religion if thats the trend in Amsterdam these days.


and lastly this does not belong here. if ur not going to take this place seriously, than you should be banned from this section. im tired of these worthless posts/threads that u make, obviously to get your post count up.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 04:26:23 PM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 04:37:29 PM »
... you believe so strongly in evolution (without any real backings ...

Evolution is fact.  Darwin's theory of evolution through natural selection is the theory.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 05:53:16 PM »
EVEN THE POPE AGREES WITH EVOLUTION. I mean why is it that these so called "Christians" want to put science against religion. As a man of faith, I feel that maybe God's plan was evolution. You can't prove that God created the world as is, because no one was there. When the world was created, who knows, maybe he just said, here goes some water, some cells, now lets see what we get. I mean was anyone there to prove anything, did anyone write anything down?

Well anyways, here goes Pope John Paul II talking about evolution. As you can read, he lets researcher do what they do best, research to get facts, and he did what his suppose to do as a religious leader, embrace it for your religion and allow your followers to accept fact.

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm (point number 4)

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Taking into account the state of scientific research at the time as well as of the requirements of theology, the encyclical Humani Generis considered the doctrine of "evolutionism" a serious hypothesis, worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis. Pius XII added two methodological conditions: that this opinion should not be adopted as though it were a certain, proven doctrine and as though one could totally prescind from revelation with regard to the questions it raises. He also spelled out the condition on which this opinion would be compatible with the Christian faith, a point to which I will return. Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. [Aujourdhui, près dun demi-siècle après la parution de l'encyclique, de nouvelles connaissances conduisent à reconnaitre dans la théorie de l'évolution plus qu'une hypothèse.] It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.

What is the significance of such a theory? To address this question is to enter the field of epistemology. A theory is a metascientific elaboration, distinct from the results of observation but consistent with them. By means of it a series of independent data and facts can be related and interpreted in a unified explanation. A theory's validity depends on whether or not it can be verified; it is constantly tested against the facts; wherever it can no longer explain the latter, it shows its limitations and unsuitability. It must then be rethought.

Furthermore, while the formulation of a theory like that of evolution complies with the need for consistency with the observed data, it borrows certain notions from natural philosophy.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 05:58:47 PM »
People who outright refuse to accept evolution even though it happens in front of them on a daily basis should be shot and we should be allowed to harvest their organs and use them in intellegent people who have an understanding of common sense.

People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 06:03:17 PM »
People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
The first setence is outright harsh. What happened to "respecting other people's beliefs"? Should only religious believers be held to that standard? Props to you (for the second sentence) and MDogg for speaking the truth.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2009, 06:21:51 PM »
People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
The first setence is outright harsh. What happened to "respecting other people's beliefs"? Should only religious believers be held to that standard? Props to you (for the second sentence) and MDogg for speaking the truth.
The first sentence is not harsh. At least we could take a group of useless people and make them useful.

It's not about beliefs, its about facts. If I tell you the sky is blue, take you outside, point upwards at the blue sky and you say, "I dunno.......it could be red or yellow", then that would make you a fucking moron......by choice.

I'm all for respecting people's beliefs as long as it seems somewhat logical or as long as there isn't any concrete evidence against it. Somebody who is unwilling to accept proven fact usually will never do anything but burden you and me somehow.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2009, 06:24:01 PM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2009, 07:14:22 PM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 09:06:57 PM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 10:58:43 PM »
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 01:50:50 AM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 09:03:50 AM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".


Here's my problem, (not that I care one way or another what actually happened); Just because we have found fossils from a long time ago of skeletons that are similar to ours', and just because there may have one time been species that no longer exist today, doesn't mean out species wasn't created, just like the other species were created.

I'm not a scientist, but neither is anyone here, and my problem with people that argue evolution is the word proof and fact. For me proof and fact requires something a lot more concrete than theories based on theories.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 10:08:42 AM »
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


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Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2009, 10:36:01 AM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".


Here's my problem, (not that I care one way or another what actually happened); Just because we have found fossils from a long time ago of skeletons that are similar to ours', and just because there may have one time been species that no longer exist today, doesn't mean out species wasn't created, just like the other species were created.

I'm not a scientist, but neither is anyone here, and my problem with people that argue evolution is the word proof and fact. For me proof and fact requires something a lot more concrete than theories based on theories.

But I'd say theories based on evidence are more logical and believable than something based on no evidence, right? Evolution is fact, because we see it happen and we know species have evolved from other species. The actual way it happened has yet to be fully resolved. Not being completely sure of the full details is not a logical reason to turn to religion, which doesn't use any empirical evidence. It's equivalent to the pilgrims believing in witchcraft because they couldn't "understand" why their crops kept dying.

Everyone is welcome to believe in religion, but trying to say it is logical is ridiculous. It's called faith for a reason, precisely because it isn't logical. The theory that says man and ape have a common ancestor may be still just a theory, but its entirely logical because its based on DNA similarities, fossil records, and what we know about evolution, and draws the likely conclusion based on the evidence.

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2009, 10:37:58 AM »
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


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Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2009, 10:48:01 AM »
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


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Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2009, 11:43:07 AM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".


Here's my problem, (not that I care one way or another what actually happened); Just because we have found fossils from a long time ago of skeletons that are similar to ours', and just because there may have one time been species that no longer exist today, doesn't mean out species wasn't created, just like the other species were created.

I'm not a scientist, but neither is anyone here, and my problem with people that argue evolution is the word proof and fact. For me proof and fact requires something a lot more concrete than theories based on theories.

But I'd say theories based on evidence are more logical and believable than something based on no evidence, right? Evolution is fact, because we see it happen and we know species have evolved from other species. The actual way it happened has yet to be fully resolved. Not being completely sure of the full details is not a logical reason to turn to religion, which doesn't use any empirical evidence. It's equivalent to the pilgrims believing in witchcraft because they couldn't "understand" why their crops kept dying.

Everyone is welcome to believe in religion, but trying to say it is logical is ridiculous. It's called faith for a reason, precisely because it isn't logical. The theory that says man and ape have a common ancestor may be still just a theory, but its entirely logical because its based on DNA similarities, fossil records, and what we know about evolution, and draws the likely conclusion based on the evidence.



Who said anything about religion? I said there is no proof, as in there can be no alternative to what happened and you say because it is the most logical we should use it. Ok great, we agree. The difference between me and you I think is you say unless something else comes along we use evolution, and I say until something else comes along we use evolution.

Your "faith" in modern science is much stronger than my "faith" in God. I don't go out in the streets assuring people of God's word. Your side of the argument says it's ridiculous not to think we all evolved from the same things and that anything else isn't possible. Here is the only thing I know for sure about Science; every 100 years or so the current scientists look back at the old ones and call them idiots, more or less.

I'm not saying there is anything other than evolution that should be taught in a science class. There isn't. But to teach evolution the same way you teach physics is wrong. You can't really teach it scientifically or mathematically. At best it should be taught more like archeology would be taught; with the understanding that we cannot know for sure and we cannot assume we'll never find a new discovery that doesn't change everything about what we think of it. When you shoot an arrow at a falling object and you shoot it at the same time it starts to fall you have to aim where it was sitting before it fell in order to hit the object, because gravity will make the arrow fall at the same rate as the object. We will never discover something new about gravity that will make us change that theory. The very world around us would have to change. We can study it and practice it a million times to the same result. With evolution we can only observe and try and find patterns. We cannot control or test out the patterns, or create the patterns. We can someday find a new pattern or a change in the pattern that makes us question everything about what we knew as "fact".
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2009, 12:50:37 PM »
People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
The first setence is outright harsh. What happened to "respecting other people's beliefs"? Should only religious believers be held to that standard? Props to you (for the second sentence) and MDogg for speaking the truth.
The first sentence is not harsh. At least we could take a group of useless people and make them useful.

It's not about beliefs, its about facts. If I tell you the sky is blue, take you outside, point upwards at the blue sky and you say, "I dunno.......it could be red or yellow", then that would make you a fucking moron......by choice.

I'm all for respecting people's beliefs as long as it seems somewhat logical or as long as there isn't any concrete evidence against it. Somebody who is unwilling to accept proven fact usually will never do anything but burden you and me somehow.
Just like it use to be a fact that the Earth was falt or that the Sun revolved around the Earth. :P Facts change, certainty is nonexistent.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2009, 01:25:14 PM »
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.
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Re: Evolution
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2009, 01:51:00 PM »
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
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And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".


Here's my problem, (not that I care one way or another what actually happened); Just because we have found fossils from a long time ago of skeletons that are similar to ours', and just because there may have one time been species that no longer exist today, doesn't mean out species wasn't created, just like the other species were created.

I'm not a scientist, but neither is anyone here, and my problem with people that argue evolution is the word proof and fact. For me proof and fact requires something a lot more concrete than theories based on theories.

But I'd say theories based on evidence are more logical and believable than something based on no evidence, right? Evolution is fact, because we see it happen and we know species have evolved from other species. The actual way it happened has yet to be fully resolved. Not being completely sure of the full details is not a logical reason to turn to religion, which doesn't use any empirical evidence. It's equivalent to the pilgrims believing in witchcraft because they couldn't "understand" why their crops kept dying.

Everyone is welcome to believe in religion, but trying to say it is logical is ridiculous. It's called faith for a reason, precisely because it isn't logical. The theory that says man and ape have a common ancestor may be still just a theory, but its entirely logical because its based on DNA similarities, fossil records, and what we know about evolution, and draws the likely conclusion based on the evidence.



Who said anything about religion? I said there is no proof, as in there can be no alternative to what happened and you say because it is the most logical we should use it. Ok great, we agree. The difference between me and you I think is you say unless something else comes along we use evolution, and I say until something else comes along we use evolution.

Your "faith" in modern science is much stronger than my "faith" in God. I don't go out in the streets assuring people of God's word. Your side of the argument says it's ridiculous not to think we all evolved from the same things and that anything else isn't possible. Here is the only thing I know for sure about Science; every 100 years or so the current scientists look back at the old ones and call them idiots, more or less.

I'm not saying there is anything other than evolution that should be taught in a science class. There isn't. But to teach evolution the same way you teach physics is wrong. You can't really teach it scientifically or mathematically. At best it should be taught more like archeology would be taught; with the understanding that we cannot know for sure and we cannot assume we'll never find a new discovery that doesn't change everything about what we think of it. When you shoot an arrow at a falling object and you shoot it at the same time it starts to fall you have to aim where it was sitting before it fell in order to hit the object, because gravity will make the arrow fall at the same rate as the object. We will never discover something new about gravity that will make us change that theory. The very world around us would have to change. We can study it and practice it a million times to the same result. With evolution we can only observe and try and find patterns. We cannot control or test out the patterns, or create the patterns. We can someday find a new pattern or a change in the pattern that makes us question everything about what we knew as "fact".

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. Evolution is scientific fact. There's no reason it shouldn't be taught. Its as factual as gravity, or the earth revolving around the sun. The current explanation of how human's have evolved is what is the theory (with a lot of evidence I might add), and as far as I'm aware, its taught as a theory. I haven't taken science in a while.

I didn't say its ridiculous to believe in god. Everyone has things they hope are true, like luck and superstition. For some people, believing in a religion gives them a sense of purpose and makes them feel better. What I did say, is that its ridiculous to believe that belief in religion is a logical conclusion (which is more along the lines of what QT has been saying). When someone signs on with a religion, they are stepping away from logical reasoning and into something based on complete faith.

 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2009, 04:23:11 PM »
That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2009, 04:59:14 PM »
I can't believe you muthafuccas are debating the same goddamn thing in every other thread now. I almost want there to be a hell now. I'll take all of you with me.
 

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Re: Evolution
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2009, 05:11:28 PM »
That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.

wtf are you talking about? Homo Erectus is extinct.

Evolution is a fact. We have seen evolution occur.

And the theory part of it as it pertains to humans, has nothing to do with faith. Faith doesn't use evidence. There is overwhelming evidence to support that humans evolved from a more primitive ape-like species. That is the logical and most likely conclusion, not "faith."
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