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Quote from: 50 Gold 60 Platinum on December 13, 2009, 09:32:50 AMQuote from: Illuminati Clique on December 13, 2009, 03:11:09 AMYou do realize that the protesters are demanding that the heads of state meeting in Copenhagen commit their countries to binding treaties to cut and cap greenhouse gas emissions?They are not protesting that global warming is false or that it isn't man-made. They are actually protesting for the Copenhagen conference to be successful and demanding that the proposed caps be higher than what has officially been proposed. http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/12dec09-copenhagen-protests-79121382.html Sure, but there are many people that are protesting because the science reported was proven fraudulent.Al Gore is shitting his pants, he gets harassed everywhere he goes since climategate came out.Probably, although the reason you made this thread was to highlight the protests in Copenhagen and the supposed media blackout on them....The majority of the world wants an international binding treaty on greenhouse gases, this week theres been protests all around the world in favor. The masses have spoken, maybe on what they do not entirely know or understand, but they have still spoken.
Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 13, 2009, 03:11:09 AMYou do realize that the protesters are demanding that the heads of state meeting in Copenhagen commit their countries to binding treaties to cut and cap greenhouse gas emissions?They are not protesting that global warming is false or that it isn't man-made. They are actually protesting for the Copenhagen conference to be successful and demanding that the proposed caps be higher than what has officially been proposed. http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/12dec09-copenhagen-protests-79121382.html Sure, but there are many people that are protesting because the science reported was proven fraudulent.Al Gore is shitting his pants, he gets harassed everywhere he goes since climategate came out.
You do realize that the protesters are demanding that the heads of state meeting in Copenhagen commit their countries to binding treaties to cut and cap greenhouse gas emissions?They are not protesting that global warming is false or that it isn't man-made. They are actually protesting for the Copenhagen conference to be successful and demanding that the proposed caps be higher than what has officially been proposed. http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/12dec09-copenhagen-protests-79121382.html
If climate change is a hoax, the world's nations seem to believe it. Otherwise why would nations deliberately handicap their own industry and economies?
Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 14, 2009, 02:30:32 AMIf climate change is a hoax, the world's nations seem to believe it. Otherwise why would nations deliberately handicap their own industry and economies? Uh, have you read how developing nations are opposing it? Who said climate change was a hoax? What I've said on the subject is that CRU has been proven to have lied, skewed, and all out falsified information which is proven through thousands of hacked emails.
Supposing everyone was in full support of this global warming phenomenon which truly was the worst the world had ever seen, that all of the work of the scientists had the utmost integrity, that there were no flaws, that all of the maths added up, what you have through the UN treaty is a global governance agreement which will monitor and regulate every facet of the economy. So when you look at what their stated long term goals are, the only possible way this comes about is by destroying the economy of the west.
I just will say this, to deny global warming is to say the world is flat, and to think we as humans can't at least help in slowing down global warming, is to be just retarded. The End.
Quote from: M Dogg on December 15, 2009, 10:07:20 PMI just will say this, to deny global warming is to say the world is flat, and to think we as humans can't at least help in slowing down global warming, is to be just retarded. The End.Simplistic soundbites which don't attempt to address anything, we know there is no concensus, we know that the earth has experienced warming in the last 100 years, we know for the last 10 years it hasn't, we know the polar bears are not dying, they can show you footage of an ice cap melting all they like, it doesn't mean that the volume of ice caps overall is significantly melting, you have warm periods and you have cool periods. We know that information has been falsified, withheld, in other words we know that rampant fraud has been taking place which has led to inaccurate (diplomatically put) data. So we know the case itself is based on lies, so for you to ignore that, makes your whole response baseless.As for the other response given about slowing down the economy, define slowing down? there was already a 5% retraction in the UK economy last year last alone, a 90% cut means rationing out electricity, rationing oil, and the cap and trade system is designed so the richest will continue to pollute, the small companies will simply fold up. I hope you are right and a fracturing does set in, BUT these developing countries know the ramifications of cutting carbon dioxide, it means reducing output, therefore reducing economic growth and with it less wealth. So the reason these countries are jostling is because it has a severe effect on wealth, so it's no different for the west either. When the middle class, particularly lower to middle middle class have just been frozen out courtesy of no real wage increases for well over a decade, they now want to reduce living standards much much further still.Ask people in the third world if they live in a free enlightened society, and the unanimous answer will be hell no, that's why they want to become developed, prosperity for the many is intertwined with freedom.
Quote from: virtuoso on December 16, 2009, 05:04:34 AMQuote from: M Dogg on December 15, 2009, 10:07:20 PMI just will say this, to deny global warming is to say the world is flat, and to think we as humans can't at least help in slowing down global warming, is to be just retarded. The End.Simplistic soundbites which don't attempt to address anything, we know there is no concensus, we know that the earth has experienced warming in the last 100 years, we know for the last 10 years it hasn't, we know the polar bears are not dying, they can show you footage of an ice cap melting all they like, it doesn't mean that the volume of ice caps overall is significantly melting, you have warm periods and you have cool periods. We know that information has been falsified, withheld, in other words we know that rampant fraud has been taking place which has led to inaccurate (diplomatically put) data. So we know the case itself is based on lies, so for you to ignore that, makes your whole response baseless.As for the other response given about slowing down the economy, define slowing down? there was already a 5% retraction in the UK economy last year last alone, a 90% cut means rationing out electricity, rationing oil, and the cap and trade system is designed so the richest will continue to pollute, the small companies will simply fold up. I hope you are right and a fracturing does set in, BUT these developing countries know the ramifications of cutting carbon dioxide, it means reducing output, therefore reducing economic growth and with it less wealth. So the reason these countries are jostling is because it has a severe effect on wealth, so it's no different for the west either. When the middle class, particularly lower to middle middle class have just been frozen out courtesy of no real wage increases for well over a decade, they now want to reduce living standards much much further still.Ask people in the third world if they live in a free enlightened society, and the unanimous answer will be hell no, that's why they want to become developed, prosperity for the many is intertwined with freedom. So we should do nothing to make ourselves better and make cleaner burning energy that will allow less pollution in the air.If you don't believe in air pollution, drive in LA in traffic during the hot summer months and then try to see the mountains that are only 15 miles away. You can't. You talk all these economical terms, as if that's the only thing that drives this world, not the responsibility we have to keep it clean. For almost 2 centuries, massive industrialization in our world has changed our environment, it's change rates in asthma (cities with high air pollution have high number of asthma rates), we have increases in cancer (only 3% of deaths in 1900 were of cancer, in 2000, it's up to about 20%), we just live in an unhealthy world. Another thing is that 1 billion people don't have drinkable water. You talk about causing nations to not be industrialized, well many nations biggest threat is the fact that their countries don't even have drinkable water. If you live in an area were there is a high Somali population, like Minneapolis, ask the ones old enough to remember Somalia if they had drinkable water. More than likely, they didn't. Many countries need to start from the bottom up in their development. Why do these countries never develop, even though they are provided with aid, after aid. You can't start building factories if your people don't even have water. These countries are developing backwards, and they trying to become the next China when they have worst water than Mexico. Of course people in developing countries don't want a free enlightened society, they want water, food, medicine and education for their kids.