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This is such a joke, the fact that the media and common people actually take this stuff seriously.

While hes at it, why doesnt Obama just insist that the banks pay off everyones debts, loan out a million dollars to each American citizen, and make us all millionaires!!  That would work right?  Doesnt our government have the power to fix all the problems in the world??

This is so fucking ridiculous.

Anyone who knows the economics of a child, can understand that you loan someone money only if you plan to get that money back.  Otherwise it would not be a loan, you would just give them the money.  So very simple, a bank will loan money to anyone who appears capable of paying that money back.  This is what banks do.

If CEO in Chief Obama demands banks give out loans to people who dont appear capable of paying, then once again these banks will fail and again be begging for a bailout.

So the cycle continues because people dont have even the most basic understanding of economics.

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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2009, 12:22:03 AM »


If CEO in Chief Obama demands banks give out loans to people who dont appear capable of paying, then once again these banks will fail and again be begging for a bailout.




That's exactly how the mortgage crisis started in the first place. LOL.

The banks will do it though, because they know that when it all bottoms out and business after business goes under, Obama will be the one giving tax dollars to the banks to keep them in business. We're seeing the end of America. It may take a few more generations, but this is how it will collapse.
 

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 12:36:10 AM »
aren't they raising the debt ceiling but about another 2 trillion so the US government can help out the people more. what a joke.

next year is gonna be way more bumpy as certain western governments refuse to stop money printing.

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 05:48:51 AM »

But hold on one moment, the mortgage crisis did not equate to the over 13 trillion worth of bailouts, they are a part of a much mazier and complex and just downright criminal derivatives bubble. So for you to say that the banks doing this will lead to another collapse, is deeply misleading, it is the continued drive of derivatives which instigated this crash. The banks would not have the power they hold now without all ceilings being done away with, so to focus on this issue, is essentially marginalising the driving issue. The banks hold all the aces here and not the government, they always have held all the aces, they essentially run the federal reserve, same for some government board members and we know where their conflict of interests lie, such as Paulson.
 

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 12:30:49 PM »
Good, this is the break I've been looking for to buy my first house. O Bam a! O Bam a!
 

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2009, 11:57:32 AM »
commercial real estate, sovereign debt and obviously further unemployment/personal debt defaults....2010 is gonna be a good one :0

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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2009, 10:19:59 PM »

But hold on one moment, the mortgage crisis did not equate to the over 13 trillion worth of bailouts, they are a part of a much mazier and complex and just downright criminal derivatives bubble. So for you to say that the banks doing this will lead to another collapse, is deeply misleading, it is the continued drive of derivatives which instigated this crash. The banks would not have the power they hold now without all ceilings being done away with, so to focus on this issue, is essentially marginalising the driving issue. The banks hold all the aces here and not the government, they always have held all the aces, they essentially run the federal reserve, same for some government board members and we know where their conflict of interests lie, such as Paulson.

Explain in lay men's terms what you are talking about when you say "derivatives bubble" and "continued the drive of derivatives which instigated cash"
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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 05:22:46 AM »

But hold on one moment, the mortgage crisis did not equate to the over 13 trillion worth of bailouts, they are a part of a much mazier and complex and just downright criminal derivatives bubble. So for you to say that the banks doing this will lead to another collapse, is deeply misleading, it is the continued drive of derivatives which instigated this crash. The banks would not have the power they hold now without all ceilings being done away with, so to focus on this issue, is essentially marginalising the driving issue. The banks hold all the aces here and not the government, they always have held all the aces, they essentially run the federal reserve, same for some government board members and we know where their conflict of interests lie, such as Paulson.

Explain in lay men's terms what you are talking about when you say "derivatives bubble" and "continued the drive of derivatives which instigated cash"

Basically the glass steagalz act of 1933 was introduced to seperate commercial banking from investment banking. When the act was repealed by Bill Clinton it allowed the commercial banks to commence their activities as speculators. So what do I mean by a derivative? well it's a bet placed on a futures market, but not a fixed bet, i.e. think of spread betting, but spread betting which allows you to leverage 1 to 50, 1 to 60, 1 to 70. So as the money expansion increased, lets say people were placing spread bets on house prices, the money expansion allowed the prices to keep on increasing and so those financial institutions who had made their bets, could then sell those derivative bets on to someone else who would be happy to do so because they were only seeing their investments grow. So this rampant speculation, creates an artificial demand in the markets pushing the price higher and higher, however such a bubble will eventually implode simply because it's creating more and more money out of thin air and relies upon the ability of the consumer to still buy it. So when they announced a credit crunch, they pulled the rug on these gambling games, which immediately led to cries of the banks needing bailouts, so essentially what you have here, is they take our money and become a casino with it and when they lose, they can take more of our money to cover their losses. The reality is most of these banks have very little in the way of hard capital, the derivatives contracts, are essentially paper based because there is no actual real world economic activity to back them up.

So in layman's terms, the bank must capitalise itself a a ratio of 1 to 10 usually, but in derivatives, you could end up multiply that number by another 20 fold, we don't even know what the actual value of the derivatives market is anymore, best guesses put it in the quadrillions, but no one knows just what figures we are looking at, because a record does not have to be kept of every derivative transaction. This is why the money taken by the banks of our money, the endless liquidity has gone to repair their balance sheet, hence the reason it's had no tangible effect or positive effect on the economy.
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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 10:46:38 AM »
When the act was repealed by George Clinton


I thought George Clinton was busy touring with the Parliament Funkadelics and Smoking that Bomb Shit!!
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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2009, 10:51:08 AM »

Basically the glass steagalz act of 1933 was introduced to seperate commercial banking from investment banking. When the act was repealed by George Clinton it allowed the commercial banks to commence their activities as speculators. So what do I mean by a derivative? well it's a bet placed on a futures market, but not a fixed bet, i.e. think of spread betting, but spread betting which allows you to leverage 1 to 50, 1 to 60, 1 to 70. So as the money expansion increased, lets say people were placing spread bets on house prices, the money expansion allowed the prices to keep on increasing and so those financial institutions who had made their bets, could then sell those derivative bets on to someone else who would be happy to do so because they were only seeing their investments grow. So this rampant speculation, creates an artificial demand in the markets pushing the price higher and higher, however such a bubble will eventually implode simply because it's creating more and more money out of thin air and relies upon the ability of the consumer to still buy it. So when they announced a credit crunch, they pulled the rug on these gambling games, which immediately led to cries of the banks needing bailouts, so essentially what you have here, is they take our money and become a casino with it and when they lose, they can take more of our money to cover their losses. The reality is most of these banks have very little in the way of hard capital, the derivatives contracts, are essentially paper based because there is no actual real world economic activity to back them up.

So in layman's terms, the bank must capitalise itself a a ratio of 1 to 10 usually, but in derivatives, you could end up multiply that number by another 20 fold, we don't even know what the actual value of the derivatives market is anymore, best guesses put it in the quadrillions, but no one knows just what figures we are looking at, because a record does not have to be kept of every derivative transaction. This is why the money taken by the banks of our money, the endless liquidity has gone to repair their balance sheet, hence the reason it's had no tangible effect or positive effect on the economy.


I still don't really understand.  So are you saying that like I buy a house today for 100,000 dollars.  Then these people bet or speculate that that house will be worth 200,000 by 2012.  So then some idiot goes off of their bullshit speculation and buys the house for 170,000 and thinks he's getting a deal, when in reality the value of the house didn't go up?   And they make money off of that somehow?  Don't really get it.
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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2009, 01:01:56 PM »

Basically the glass steagalz act of 1933 was introduced to seperate commercial banking from investment banking. When the act was repealed by George Clinton it allowed the commercial banks to commence their activities as speculators. So what do I mean by a derivative? well it's a bet placed on a futures market, but not a fixed bet, i.e. think of spread betting, but spread betting which allows you to leverage 1 to 50, 1 to 60, 1 to 70. So as the money expansion increased, lets say people were placing spread bets on house prices, the money expansion allowed the prices to keep on increasing and so those financial institutions who had made their bets, could then sell those derivative bets on to someone else who would be happy to do so because they were only seeing their investments grow. So this rampant speculation, creates an artificial demand in the markets pushing the price higher and higher, however such a bubble will eventually implode simply because it's creating more and more money out of thin air and relies upon the ability of the consumer to still buy it. So when they announced a credit crunch, they pulled the rug on these gambling games, which immediately led to cries of the banks needing bailouts, so essentially what you have here, is they take our money and become a casino with it and when they lose, they can take more of our money to cover their losses. The reality is most of these banks have very little in the way of hard capital, the derivatives contracts, are essentially paper based because there is no actual real world economic activity to back them up.

So in layman's terms, the bank must capitalise itself a a ratio of 1 to 10 usually, but in derivatives, you could end up multiply that number by another 20 fold, we don't even know what the actual value of the derivatives market is anymore, best guesses put it in the quadrillions, but no one knows just what figures we are looking at, because a record does not have to be kept of every derivative transaction. This is why the money taken by the banks of our money, the endless liquidity has gone to repair their balance sheet, hence the reason it's had no tangible effect or positive effect on the economy.


I still don't really understand.  So are you saying that like I buy a house today for 100,000 dollars.  Then these people bet or speculate that that house will be worth 200,000 by 2012.  So then some idiot goes off of their bullshit speculation and buys the house for 170,000 and thinks he's getting a deal, when in reality the value of the house didn't go up?   And they make money off of that somehow?  Don't really get it.

Actually the creation of artifical wealth goes back to Reagan.  Clinton repealing the glass stengall act certainly didn't help any.  But the false creation of wealth while wages remained relativly stagnet traces back to Reagan.  But idiots like Mr.Tin Foil watch out for shape shifting lizards virtuoso believe it was all Clintons fault with repealing that glass stengall act.


And stop sending me PM's asking for black on white porn, Brian.
 

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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2009, 02:01:03 PM »

Basically the glass steagalz act of 1933 was introduced to seperate commercial banking from investment banking. When the act was repealed by George Clinton it allowed the commercial banks to commence their activities as speculators. So what do I mean by a derivative? well it's a bet placed on a futures market, but not a fixed bet, i.e. think of spread betting, but spread betting which allows you to leverage 1 to 50, 1 to 60, 1 to 70. So as the money expansion increased, lets say people were placing spread bets on house prices, the money expansion allowed the prices to keep on increasing and so those financial institutions who had made their bets, could then sell those derivative bets on to someone else who would be happy to do so because they were only seeing their investments grow. So this rampant speculation, creates an artificial demand in the markets pushing the price higher and higher, however such a bubble will eventually implode simply because it's creating more and more money out of thin air and relies upon the ability of the consumer to still buy it. So when they announced a credit crunch, they pulled the rug on these gambling games, which immediately led to cries of the banks needing bailouts, so essentially what you have here, is they take our money and become a casino with it and when they lose, they can take more of our money to cover their losses. The reality is most of these banks have very little in the way of hard capital, the derivatives contracts, are essentially paper based because there is no actual real world economic activity to back them up.

So in layman's terms, the bank must capitalise itself a a ratio of 1 to 10 usually, but in derivatives, you could end up multiply that number by another 20 fold, we don't even know what the actual value of the derivatives market is anymore, best guesses put it in the quadrillions, but no one knows just what figures we are looking at, because a record does not have to be kept of every derivative transaction. This is why the money taken by the banks of our money, the endless liquidity has gone to repair their balance sheet, hence the reason it's had no tangible effect or positive effect on the economy.


I still don't really understand.  So are you saying that like I buy a house today for 100,000 dollars.  Then these people bet or speculate that that house will be worth 200,000 by 2012.  So then some idiot goes off of their bullshit speculation and buys the house for 170,000 and thinks he's getting a deal, when in reality the value of the house didn't go up?   And they make money off of that somehow?  Don't really get it.

Actually the creation of artifical wealth goes back to Reagan.  Clinton repealing the glass stengall act certainly didn't help any.  But the false creation of wealth while wages remained relativly stagnet traces back to Reagan.  But idiots like Mr.Tin Foil watch out for shape shifting lizards virtuoso believe it was all Clintons fault with repealing that glass stengall act.


And stop sending me PM's asking for black on white porn, Brian.

Lol Bill Clinton even, I never said that artificial wealth creation started with the glass steagalz act, that in itself is something which happened as a product of an expanding money supply so your efforts to downplay what I have said have fallen flat on their face. However once they repealed the glass steagalz act, they allowed the commercial banks to start utilising "investment instruments" and is that which has made the situation get out of control.
 

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2009, 02:08:47 PM »

Basically the glass steagalz act of 1933 was introduced to seperate commercial banking from investment banking. When the act was repealed by George Clinton it allowed the commercial banks to commence their activities as speculators. So what do I mean by a derivative? well it's a bet placed on a futures market, but not a fixed bet, i.e. think of spread betting, but spread betting which allows you to leverage 1 to 50, 1 to 60, 1 to 70. So as the money expansion increased, lets say people were placing spread bets on house prices, the money expansion allowed the prices to keep on increasing and so those financial institutions who had made their bets, could then sell those derivative bets on to someone else who would be happy to do so because they were only seeing their investments grow. So this rampant speculation, creates an artificial demand in the markets pushing the price higher and higher, however such a bubble will eventually implode simply because it's creating more and more money out of thin air and relies upon the ability of the consumer to still buy it. So when they announced a credit crunch, they pulled the rug on these gambling games, which immediately led to cries of the banks needing bailouts, so essentially what you have here, is they take our money and become a casino with it and when they lose, they can take more of our money to cover their losses. The reality is most of these banks have very little in the way of hard capital, the derivatives contracts, are essentially paper based because there is no actual real world economic activity to back them up.

So in layman's terms, the bank must capitalise itself a a ratio of 1 to 10 usually, but in derivatives, you could end up multiply that number by another 20 fold, we don't even know what the actual value of the derivatives market is anymore, best guesses put it in the quadrillions, but no one knows just what figures we are looking at, because a record does not have to be kept of every derivative transaction. This is why the money taken by the banks of our money, the endless liquidity has gone to repair their balance sheet, hence the reason it's had no tangible effect or positive effect on the economy.


I still don't really understand.  So are you saying that like I buy a house today for 100,000 dollars.  Then these people bet or speculate that that house will be worth 200,000 by 2012.  So then some idiot goes off of their bullshit speculation and buys the house for 170,000 and thinks he's getting a deal, when in reality the value of the house didn't go up?   And they make money off of that somehow?  Don't really get it.

Essentially house prices were being driven up by speculation, which has been creating a weight of money issue, in which there was so much money being bet for house prices rising, that it created an artificial demand, which pushed house prices further and further upwards. How were they able to make money off it? buy low, sell high, or indeed selling on the derivative contracts to another financial institution who at the height of the bubble could in turn then sell it to someone else and someone else and so on. The problem is it the commercial banks who got caught up derivatives to such an extent that it became their primary source of income and due to the ratios from which they were then able to leverage out, it has just become a way of acquiring while really having very little in the way of capital. The derivatives market is completely out of control as is illustrated by the quadrillion plus worth of the market.

So when the market reaches a critical point at which homes become unattainable for most people, then the market employs a massive correction which signals a huge fall in prices as so much of the value of the homes was driven artificially.
 

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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2009, 03:53:25 PM »

And stop sending me PM's asking for black on white porn, Brian.


I actually never watch porn of any kind, and would never make an effort to communicate with you about anything.  Your the type of person I only speak to when I have to.
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2009, 05:07:34 PM »

And stop sending me PM's asking for black on white porn, Brian.


I actually never watch porn of any kind, and would never make an effort to communicate with you about anything.  Your the type of person I only speak to when I have to.

Type of person ?  You mean black people.  Keep that racist shit to yourself fucking devil.
 

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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2009, 05:19:39 PM »

Type of person ?  You mean black people.  Keep that racist shit to yourself fucking devil.

Was that an attempt at humor?
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2009, 05:23:18 PM »

Type of person ?  You mean black people.  Keep that racist shit to yourself fucking devil.

Was that an attempt at humor?
Short answer yes Long answer no.
 

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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2009, 05:43:05 PM »
I actually never watch porn of any kind,
LMFAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Lying about something like this makes you look like a fucking idiot.
 

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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2009, 05:44:43 PM »
I actually never watch porn of any kind,
LMFAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Lying about something like this makes you look like a fucking idiot.

It's true, when I was coming up you were a pervert if you did that shit.  I've always seen it that way. 
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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2009, 05:47:51 PM »
I actually never watch porn of any kind,
LMFAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Lying about something like this makes you look like a fucking idiot.

It's true, when I was coming up you were a pervert if you did that shit.  I've always seen it that way. 
Either you're lying, fuck donkeys or rape woman
 

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Re: LOL @ Obama insisting that banks now extend more credit to "mainstreet"
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2009, 06:36:02 PM »
wasnt this a given? everybody knew he was a neo-conservative and wasnt going to change anything, except to continue on with agenda 21. i mean its ridiculous, its out there too, i recently read an article on the frontpage of yahoo which bluntly said that obama was giving credit to those that were former federal reserve representatives or employees




I actually never watch porn of any kind,
LMFAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Lying about something like this makes you look like a fucking idiot.

It's true, when I was coming up you were a pervert if you did that shit.  I've always seen it that way. 
Either you're lying, fuck donkeys or rape woman


this is why ikke should be banned from tot. lol what a troubled kid, probably cuz hes butt ugly. you havnt even made a post relevant to this subject
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