Hughes Brother Breaks His Silence On The Tupac Fight (Menace II Society)

[OG Hack Wilson]

I love Pac's music. Ever since Digital Underground. But he wasn't a gangster, he was an artist. That was essentially why he died. He started to believe his own press. Watch the security cam video of his group stomping Orlando. He wasn't a thug. If he knew the streets, he would have known that ganging up on Orlando would have to bring a response. And it did. In the passenger seat of Suge's car. That is the law of the streets.
Heard a real gangster talking about Tupac and Big's murders. He said that real gangsters don't sing and dance and rap. They bang. Love his work, but Pac lost perspective at the end.

I know real gangstas that rap ns hit!!! Dresta, BG Knockoutt and Tray D!! So fuck that real gangster you heard it from! that fag just hating cuz thats all he can do!!! Tell him to get a fucken job!!! HAHA

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violent j and shaggy 2 dope were also gang bangers before rapping



same with MC Juice

LMAO, bangin wit their KISS-makeup on!? i bet detroit was never safe back then..

[V2DHeart]

Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol.  Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta.  As a rapper, he was tight for sure.  Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous?  I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.

The difference is, 2Pac came into his recording career speaking on harsh reality and social issues, and giving an insight to the public and potential fans into some neglected topics that needed to be spoken on by devoting entire songs to Drug addition, Teen pregnancy, police brutality etc, compared to Lil Wayne who (besides Hot Boys who weren't even that hot) came in rapping watered down southern "commercial gangsta rapper" imagery BS. More importantly 2Pac signed to a label that had genuine blood association, that employed former bloods, who had some B-side roster that grew up and around real blood neighborhoods. I know your point is slightly different, but 2Pac was a powerful speaker, and wanted to be a spokesperson for a lot of different people, his Thug Life persona was just one taking on the Representative role of the moral majority of young black males in the ghettos, and even defined his Thug Life motto around it all. Granted, it was exploited and blown up by 2Pac & his management a bit for mainstream controversy to make money, but an inner look at his work would show that he really encouraged his listeners to "think". Look at the 'When Thugs Cry' chorus for instance

The main fault of 2Pac was running his own mouth without thinking, and dissing people that shouldn't have been dissed. There's a lot on the list

[JohnnyL]

I love Pac's music. Ever since Digital Underground. But he wasn't a gangster, he was an artist. That was essentially why he died. He started to believe his own press. Watch the security cam video of his group stomping Orlando. He wasn't a thug. If he knew the streets, he would have known that ganging up on Orlando would have to bring a response. And it did. In the passenger seat of Suge's car. That is the law of the streets.
Heard a real gangster talking about Tupac and Big's murders. He said that real gangsters don't sing and dance and rap. They bang. Love his work, but Pac lost perspective at the end.

I know real gangstas that rap ns hit!!! Dresta, BG Knockoutt and Tray D!! So fuck that real gangster you heard it from! that fag just hating cuz thats all he can do!!! Tell him to get a fucken job!!! HAHA

'

violent j and shaggy 2 dope were also gang bangers before rapping



same with MC Juice

LMAO, bangin wit their KISS-makeup on!? i bet detroit was never safe back then..

Lol.  That picture is hilarious.  I don't even like a lot of the music that ICP has put out, especially in recent years.  But those guys look a lot more like hardened criminals than half the so-called G's that are mainstream rap artists.

[OG Hack Wilson]

You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap?  listen to this track

[OG Hack Wilson]

gangsta ass shit

[D1G1T4L]

I wouldnt be surprised.. isn't it a proven fact that 2pac didnt even have a criminal record before joining deathrow?
2pac was a great artist but too many people see him as 'god'.

DIdn't KING T check him at one point?

[OG Hack Wilson]

I wouldnt be surprised.. isn't it a proven fact that 2pac didnt even have a criminal record before joining deathrow?
2pac was a great artist but too many people see him as 'god'.

DIdn't KING T check him at one point?

no, king Sun was the one who dissed him

on "new york love" i think the song was called


2pac had a quote "i never had a record until i had a record" so i believe you are correct

[JohnnyL]

You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap?  listen to this track

Well, I definitely think it's silly to assume that they couldn't have a criminal past just because they wear clown make up.  That pic you posted says it all. lol  Twiztid look especially fucked up in that pic.  Monoxide looks like a damn lunatic.

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

yeah i heard bout king t gettin into wit someone...thought it was pac?

I wouldnt be surprised.. isn't it a proven fact that 2pac didnt even have a criminal record before joining deathrow?
2pac was a great artist but too many people see him as 'god'.

DIdn't KING T check him at one point?

no, king Sun was the one who dissed him

on "new york love" i think the song was called


2pac had a quote "i never had a record until i had a record" so i believe you are correct

[Action!]

At the end of the day Pac's ego got him killed and his music suffered from it too. 

[fabtoxicp]

godamn, Violent J looks like a fuckin pedophile

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

cuz of the whole thing of him runnin round town screamin thug life etc....?

At the end of the day Pac's ego got him killed and his music suffered from it too. 

[JohnnyL]

 As far as the Pac thing goes, whether or not you think he was actually a "thug" probably depends on what you think a "thug" is.  Personally, I don't question Pac's street credibility at all.  The man spent most of his life in and out of jail for various shit.  He had countless run-ins with the police.  He would make a spectacle of himself in court and in front of cameras.  He was a thug as far as I'm concerned.  Having said that, I don't necessarily equate "thug" with strong or formidable fighter.  Pac could have been a thug without being a formidable hand to hand combatant.  I've met plenty of people that I'm sure were criminals or hoodlums, but definitely weren't ninjas or mixed martial arts masters.  Really I don't doubt Hughes's story.  Why he hadn't said anything about it publicly until now could have probably been for a couple different reasons.  For one thing, when the whole thing was going on, I'm sure he wasn't allowed to talk about it.  He probably could have spoken about it before now, but then again, having your ass kicked by twelve people might not be your favorite topic for discussion.

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol.  Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta.  As a rapper, he was tight for sure.  Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous?  I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.

The difference is, 2Pac came into his recording career speaking on harsh reality and social issues, and giving an insight to the public and potential fans into some neglected topics that needed to be spoken on by devoting entire songs to Drug addition, Teen pregnancy, police brutality etc, compared to Lil Wayne who (besides Hot Boys who weren't even that hot) came in rapping watered down southern "commercial gangsta rapper" imagery BS. More importantly 2Pac signed to a label that had genuine blood association, that employed former bloods, who had some B-side roster that grew up and around real blood neighborhoods. I know your point is slightly different, but 2Pac was a powerful speaker, and wanted to be a spokesperson for a lot of different people, his Thug Life persona was just one taking on the Representative role of the moral majority of young black males in the ghettos, and even defined his Thug Life motto around it all. Granted, it was exploited and blown up by 2Pac & his management a bit for mainstream controversy to make money, but an inner look at his work would show that he really encouraged his listeners to "think". Look at the 'When Thugs Cry' chorus for instance

The main fault of 2Pac was running his own mouth without thinking, and dissing people that shouldn't have been dissed. There's a lot on the list

I think when people are on the outside lookin in...especially on an Idol, they tend to defend them in order to uphold whatever image the Idol was trying to portray.  Again, I loved Pac as a rapper.  He was never my favorite, but I was feelin the dude.  All Im sayin is, a lotta these rappers arent always what they seem.  And people idolizing them, especially if they aint never really seen the life that Pac was attempting to be the voice of, tend to believe anything the man says.  I dont think anybody in here could argue that Pac didnt play up that "Thug" role far harder once he hooked up with Death Row.  Them Death Row cats had him thinkin he was SuperThug.  I know we all wanna assume the best (or worst, depending on whos lookin) for a rapper we loved, but truth be told...maybe he was more regular then people think.  I was a young knucklehead once who go caught up with the wrong muhafuckas.  Its part of being young and dumb.  Tupac mighta been no different.  The way I see the man is this.  A dude who wanted to play that gangsta role so bad that he hooked up with a bunch of real thugs and played the part until his death.  But a gangsta from the get go? Not a chance.

[OG Hack Wilson]

You gonna tell me the ICP are not gangsta's who make gangsta-ass rap?  listen to this track

Well, I definitely think it's silly to assume that they couldn't have a criminal past just because they wear clown make up.  That pic you posted says it all. lol  Twiztid look especially fucked up in that pic.  Monoxide looks like a damn lunatic.

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