Hughes Brother Breaks His Silence On The Tupac Fight (Menace II Society)

[LAC/EASTSIDE]

Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol.  Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta.  As a rapper, he was tight for sure.  Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous?  I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.
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Well Pac was never claiming any crip or blood shit...Now I never heard lil waynes music, so I don't know if he is out shouting and repping that stuff in his music but pac sure wasn't.  Pac wasn't screaming gang shit like snoop, daz, and kurupt.

How you gonna say that Pac wasn't a thug?  He got fatally gunned down by gangbangers, before that he took like 5 bullets, he had been to prison.  He rolled w/ Death Row - the most gangsta music label ever.  Now he may not have been as gangsta as say O-Dogg was portrayed in the movie, but c'mon pac was a thug.  He is from the ghetto, his mom was a black panther, got killed by the gun, I mean what more do you want then everything I have named?

What is it that you guys all think makes someone a thug?  I see lil' fuckin weenies all the time in sactown that are supposed to be thugs.  Hell, they may actually be in a reputable Blood gang.  But these kids ain't nothin but weenies...they are like 150 lbs tops, they couldn't do shit in a fight.

Like I said...I dig Pac, the artist.  But most of Pacs "thug" shit came AFTER he got famous.  Thats not a thug....thats fuckin STUPID! Before that he was attending art school and back up dancing for Digital Underground.  To be honest man, none of the shit u mentioned makes u a thug.  Getting shot doesnt make u a thug (anybody can get shot), going to prison doesnt make u a thug (he went on a sexual assault charge), bein a rapper on Death Row doesnt make u a thug (Rage rapped for Death Row), being from the ghetto for damn sure doesnt make u a thug,  his mom being a Panther has absolutely nothing to do with thugs.  Once again, Pac to me was the typical case of a dude who fell in love with that thug lifestyle...but really had no business bein around it.  You dont become a thug in your 20's. 

what is it that makes you a thug then?

First off, lemme ask u this.  If you molest a kid and go to prison...would u be a thug? If you were standing at a bus stop and unintentionally shot in a drive by....would u be a thug?  If you were born in the ghetto and become a huge success....would u be a thug?

I will give u this, what a "thug" is could be directly related to what environment youre in.  But Pac was definetely reflecting a certain environment.  Before he was famous, he wasnt exactly runnin around super banged out and really involved in any kind of thug lifestyle, and definetely not no gangsta lifestyle.  He was just a kid from the hood.  Theres a lot of kids from the hood, and like Pac...most of em arent thugs.  You tell me, if u see a cat who didnt grow up a thug....start thuggin it AFTER they get rich and famous in an industry where at the time, "thug" sells...what would u think?  Again, I dont knock him or his hustle and Pac the artist was off the chain.  Im just sayin how I see it, and how a lot of people see it but dont want to admit it outloud cus its Pac.

I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!

Keep tryin homeboy.  Pac groupie at its finest...

Yeah exactly what i thought!! "Pac groupie at its finest" is as far as you will get with your fake ass argument! Fake ass Thug!!!Your trying to prove something to everyone but nobody gives a fuck! How can you sit here and argue about someones thug level??? HAHAHAHAHA! you got to be a retard homie! I think keep trying goes for you because you aint getting nowhere! Like i said again! I never heard 2Pac claim to be from a gang or say he was a Thug according to your expert definition! So until you prove he said that, than your argument is pointless! Who let this child in this forum?

First off, I been on this forum about 8 yrs or so...and listenin to Pac when he originally came out.  And if your argument is that Pac never claimed he was a thug...we can end the argument right there. lol You sound stupid homeboy.  Im sure your just another dummy from outta state speakin on some shit u know nothing about.  Ima just leave it at that. No point internet arguin with some Pac groupie geek.  Keep idolizing another man u dont even know...this homosexuality shit is gettin out of control...

I was born and raised in South Central LA homie so stop assuming shit!!! And just like i thought, your best option was to shut the fuck up!!! Fake ass thug! what the fuck you know! Your argument is purely based on your stupid ideas and definitions!! Im basing it on what Pac would say!! So why dont you get off my nuts and Pacs as well! Give me the facts homie and than maybe ill give you credit for your stupid ideas! fucken hater!!! And i been on the forums for years as well!! And if you claim you listened to Pac when he originally came out, than what the fuck you talking about man? Dont you listen to the music? No fucken shit he would say he was a thug in every record probably but understand why lame!!! He clearly says it himself!!! Damn your an idiot! Ignorant, hard headed, indenial bitch!! Like denzel says, you hearing but you aint listening!!! And than you act like if you knew Pac personally!! Your stupid if you think im taking your bitch ass serious! Fake ass thug!

[LAC/EASTSIDE]

Bitch or not...Hughes is right, Tupac wasnt no gangsta lol.  Comin up I was a big Pac fan...but real shit, he wasnt a gangsta.  As a rapper, he was tight for sure.  Everybody gives Lil Wayne shit (and he deserves it, fuck him...) because he started claimin Blood AFTER he got famous....but how much different is that then Pac turnin into a thug AFTER he got famous?  I love Pac.....but I still gotta be real about it.

The THUG LIFE started in Oakland, it has nothing to do with being famous... 2Pac changed when he move to the Bay Area at 17 years old or something, you should see the "Thug Angel" DVD about it.

True Homie! He even made Thug Life album in 93'-94' where he had his Bro in the record also! He had Big Syke in the mix as well! But 2Pacs whole rapping career started in the west! With digital Underground and in his second album, he already had Ice T and Ice Cube on tracks! So his westside affiliation goes waay back! He even met Eazy-E!

[LAC/EASTSIDE]

I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!

damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards

What gang was that??? Why dont you name it and maybe ill give you credit for your comment? and nobody is catching feelings! i just cant believe you idiots waste your time talking about this as if you guys are fucken thug critics!! You must be that other fools boyfriend huh??

well, you are catching feelings, obviously . calm down, no need to yell and get your panties in a bunch because some idiots want to speculate about a dead manīs street cred.   and keep those gay thoughts to yourself, i donīt know who youīre talking about. just saw you getting all serious and clowned, itīs the fucking internet, people talk about these kinds of stupid things constantly. thatīs the point of a forum, discussion. get drunk or laid, chill out.

and what comes to pacīs affiliation , even other rappers say he was claiming blood near the end . itīs not hard to see.
 not like i give a fuck but you asked so i answered. yeah i know , MOB stands for a few things but thatīs what he was yelling on records

Heres the thing. Like I said before, he is somewhere in the middle. I dont see him as a bitch, dont see him as a thug. I started discussing it cus it came up in this thread.  I just find it funny how kids idolize some of these rappers...and believe any image they put out there.  You can usually tell the ones cus they get extra emotional n shit in these threads like callin out they favorite rapper is the same as slappin they mama in the face lol. 

"He is somewhere in the middle"?? HAHAHAHAHHAHAH! That shit is hilarious!!! I give up!! I been listening to Hip Hop for More than a fucken decade! Thats why im passionate about Hip Hop! Its not about Pac! its about people being negative and talking shit, especially after someones death! No wonder the west cant get it together! to many fucken haters!

[Jaydc]

No matter what your opinion of is pac,this shit was just pathetic.Speaking down on a man this many years after his death,what a fucking pussy.

[3rd Coast]

No matter what your opinion of is pac,this shit was just pathetic.Speaking down on a man this many years after his death,what a fucking pussy.

if u niggas read more than jus readin shit out of context...

both of the twins said the samething in the complex wit zoe n eminem on the covers..

they asked both of em about it before the interview ended..

n they was like pac didnt do nuthin the 12-15 cats that were wit em did it..and said pac actually apologized yrs later about it...

n they spoke highly of the dick yall suckin..

they aint talkin shit about em..

jus tellin the truth of the he say she say shit that was goin on 4 yrs..

and he couldnt fight

his own niggas on that thug immortal dvd.. said whenever pac had to fight he would get on the ground n kick...kuz he didnt have hands

[3rd Coast]

I think people on either extreme side of the Pac story have it wrong. Pac was a human. For either group to look at him beyond that is foolish to me. Pac made mistakes. One side wants to make them way bigger than they are and say he was just a worthless criminal then you have another group who wants to act like because it's Pac, not only is it not a mistake but it's some holy act of greatness by a modern-day saint that should be glorified because it was done by someone who always keeps it real. The guy was a person like all of us. As an artist, he had a stronger work ethic and was arguably more creative but he fucked up like all of us do in our lives. People actually think because the guy is able to express deep thoughts in his music that he is incapable of being a loud-mouth idiot at times? Especially when he was just in his mid-20's? Forget it.

to all the people talking about "allen is saying the truth"
if Pac didn't even touch them, why was he convicted instead of the other 12 guys
just one thing I don't understand

 Because Pac was the one who got arrested for it. He might have been able to shake the case too if the prosecution didn't have a video of Pac on Yo! MTV Raps taking credit for the assault and bragging about it.

12 Rollin 40's jumped him ?   on the set ?  where was O DOG , CAINE , and the rest

 It wasn't on the "Menace II Society" set.  I'm pretty sure the Hughes Brothers was doing a Spice-1 video and Pac showed up.

nall was durin the menace set...

[Blasphemy]

lol, this fool talks shit damn near 2 decades later?  What a bitch.  Pac said it himself, "besides rappin, only thing I did good was scrappin".

There has been a huge effort from the powers that be to portray 2pac negatively.  He wasn't playing their game and thats why he was off'd.

And please tell me where Pac ever claimed he was a blood?  He said he wasn't a banger, he was a thug. 

Yall think what you want, but most of yall dissin either only knew of Pac after he died and what the media has told you about him.  So I ain't mad at cha.

2pac claimed blood near the end of his life. Do to his affiliation with Suge Knight, he pretty much became one via association. Though, in his earlier carrier he never banged.

Anyways, on the subject.


I find that The Hughes brothers timing is seriously horrible, and hasn't been spoken about or been on anyways mind at the very least since the "Tupac Resurrection" Documentary and before that it pretty much died after the Trail. No one spoke on it again, nor did anyone care. Only time it got brought up was when "Menace II Society" is being talked about, and the subject pertained to either A. The making of it B. Tupac during that year or C. Documentary pertaining to the Hughs brothers, in which that incident isn't even brought up.

People can say what ever they want.  The fact is this, none of you know who is correct, and this shit is just her say. You can say "nigga is riding pacs dick" but why does the Hughes brothers hold more standing??? If anything waiting on it, just destroys any truth. How can you Remember a incident that's over 13 years old, so vividly??? 2pac said he beat there asses, but he said he just Punched em out nothing more and that it wasn't a huge thing. Now how come none of the media at the time talked about the Other supposed attackers???

Wouldn't that be a perfect story??? A rapper and his Gang beat down 2 up and coming black filmmakers, so how come they were never mentioned??? All they said was 2pac did it, Now even if the other people weren't famous, even in the Rape case, they had "2pac and friends" even though it was stated he didn't know them in countless interviews. So if these guys were supposedly friends, or were supposedly with his crew, how come they didn't get any mention???

I'm not defending 2pac, cause honestly the issue is dead, and is over with and the Hughes brothers bringing it up really is retarded in itself. All I'm saying, is people you can take sides, thinking you're right, but you weren't there.

For all we know, 2pac just sucker punched them and that was it. IMO though, 2pac's version stands just a tad more, because he said it while the incident's repercussions were incurring on him. Meanwhile The Hughes brothers stayed silent. So why not tell the Media and the Police about the other attackers??? If they got jumped so bad, wouldn't you want the asshole to either Rot in Jail or be Dead.


Either way. The main point of this is WHO GIVES A SHIT.  The Shit happened in 1992, 2pac went 2 Jail, he got released, he moved on with his life while these 2 fags can't let it go they got beat down Even though the man is Dead, No one hasn't given a shit since, and the fact they pretty much just went off the radar after "From Hell". Does anyone else find it obvious they only did this to drum up attention for there latest 2010 film "The book of Eli" as such, because of there popular Debut, decided to talk about there biggest thing outside of there films anyone ever wondered.

IMO The Hughes brothers aint shit, and I doubt this story has any real truth to it. Just bring it up to drum up attention. Honestly, Its a bullshit punkass move, to use 1 Incident from a guy who's been dead over 13 years to get some attention for there project, when the guy can't even defend any accusations. 2pac made his side be known, up front during the entire repurcussions of it. These guys waited 13 years, and another project (after they fell face off the earth) to even talk about it.

In the end believe what you want, but remember, you weren't there, and you have to look at everything the moment these things are talked about. IMO 2pac's holds more because he was up front after it happened, and didn't wait 13 years just before you're about to release a movie after 8 years.

[One2free]

DIDN'T HE SHOOTS 2 COPS

No.
'Pac got 4 gangbangers with him, one of them shooting at the cops.
Find one of the 2 cops today, & I'm sure he can come up with that kind of story^^.






LMAO
Imagine that was true^^, do y'all will believe the cop or not?

I mean fuck Hughes, its not like shit happens in private, it happened in public, & he come up after all these years, saying there were like 12 crips on him ??
I don't believe this guy for a one minute.
I don't mean that Tupac beated the shit out of them 2, but its like Puffy coming up today saying how he feared 2pac one day or something..



About Tupac being a thug or not, yes Tupac lived like a thug. He just wasn't a criminal, murderer, robber or whatever, he just hanged around with gangbangers, criminals, & THUGS from the streets.
That's it.

Wasn't he the one (among 2 others) coming with the Thug Code in 1992, talking front of notorious bloods & crips gangbangers ?
Wasn't he the one THREATENING gangbangers during shows, inviting them to come on stage, & causing him not to be able to perform again in those states?
Remember Mopreme & Mutulu saying how he acted suicidal, like he went armed with a bunch of guns, knocking on gang member doors, asking if there was problems ?

&, like some of y'all pretend, did those things happened AFTER he got famous ?




LMAO at fools coming in this thread like 'yeah, I knew it, he isn't a real thug...'.
Like I said, Tupas was a real dude, not a murderer, or a 500strong fighter, he was living the life of a thug, which doesn't mean u got to win 100 one on one fight to become a thug.
Y'all forgot his definition of it was orientted towards the political, comunarity concept: the THUG LIFE as he grew up with nothing & made up from nothing.
That was his meaning of a thug.

[V2DHeart]

Hughes brothers are lying. I can recall an article many many years ago about how they claimed 2Pac had 'struck' them, and that it was an argument more than anything else. No mention of any gang.

Now, 12 years later, struggling for attention to target a black audience, they come out with this different story to gain some attention from the wider 2Pac fan base

I believe 2Pac over the Hughes Brothers. They clearly kept their mouth shut during his time alive, because they knew they'd get their chord pulled over lies

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

I think this fool is taking advance thug 101!!! HAHAHAHA! Poor fool! i bet you dont even know the definition of a thug? Lame!! 2Pac said it many fucken times! IM NOT A THUG BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION IN THE FUCKEN DICTIONARY! IM A THUG BECAUSE I CAME FROM THE GUTTER!!! AND HE NEVER CLAIMED A GANG EITHER!!! FUUUCK!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKEN HEAD! YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME HOMIE!! YOU ACT LIKE YOU CAME UP WITH THE DEFINITION!!

damn , catching feelings like that, lol . and he did claim a gang at 25 years old, being high and drunk all the time hanging around with retards

What gang was that??? Why dont you name it and maybe ill give you credit for your comment? and nobody is catching feelings! i just cant believe you idiots waste your time talking about this as if you guys are fucken thug critics!! You must be that other fools boyfriend huh??

well, you are catching feelings, obviously . calm down, no need to yell and get your panties in a bunch because some idiots want to speculate about a dead manīs street cred.   and keep those gay thoughts to yourself, i donīt know who youīre talking about. just saw you getting all serious and clowned, itīs the fucking internet, people talk about these kinds of stupid things constantly. thatīs the point of a forum, discussion. get drunk or laid, chill out.

and what comes to pacīs affiliation , even other rappers say he was claiming blood near the end . itīs not hard to see.
 not like i give a fuck but you asked so i answered. yeah i know , MOB stands for a few things but thatīs what he was yelling on records

Heres the thing. Like I said before, he is somewhere in the middle. I dont see him as a bitch, dont see him as a thug. I started discussing it cus it came up in this thread.  I just find it funny how kids idolize some of these rappers...and believe any image they put out there.  You can usually tell the ones cus they get extra emotional n shit in these threads like callin out they favorite rapper is the same as slappin they mama in the face lol. 

"He is somewhere in the middle"?? HAHAHAHAHHAHAH! That shit is hilarious!!! I give up!! I been listening to Hip Hop for More than a fucken decade! Thats why im passionate about Hip Hop! Its not about Pac! its about people being negative and talking shit, especially after someones death! No wonder the west cant get it together! to many fucken haters!

Somwhere in the middle...yah you heard it right. How many fuckin gangstas have u ever been around homie? Man, u on some real internet shit with this.  This aint got shit to do with hate, I said before...on some rap shit Pac was off the chain.  A decade aint shit.  But its funny how muhafuckas these days dont understand what the word hater even means.  Tellin the truth about some shit that happens to be negative has nothin to do with hating lol.