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Re: Now the americans are all for Haiti
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2010, 07:54:20 AM »

Dude, the standard of living is measured by the financial health of a nation, so we look at a number of variables, the furthering of technology does not mean that standards of living are increasing if people do not have the means of comfortably acquiring said luxuries without seeing their savings vanish, or their home reposessed, or their credit cards maxed out.


So you are saying "standard of living" is not related to technology?  And that the furthering of technology does not mean an increase in standard of living?

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"standard of living"

–noun
a grade or level of subsistence and comfort in everyday life enjoyed by a community, class, or individual: The well-educated generally have a high standard of living.

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So if modern invention allows me to take a warm shower with ease, rather than having to go fetch some buckets of water from a nearby stream to dump over my head that is not increasing my standard of living?
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Re: Now the americans are all for Haiti
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2010, 07:55:04 AM »
learn how to summarize I'm not going to read all that shit.

Infinite, Just because jobs are created doesn't mean that the people who are jobless are able to fill them, that was my point I just pointed out a flaw in your argument.

EDIT: WHo even says the jobs pay better?
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Re: Now the americans are all for Haiti
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2010, 08:41:50 AM »
learn how to summarize I'm not going to read all that shit.

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Re: Now the americans are all for Haiti
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2010, 08:46:28 AM »
I can't summarise what isn't my writing!

I said standard of living is measured by the ease by which said luxuries can be acquired, so if inflation keeps moving up and peoples income stays stagnant then the aggregate financial health of the nation is falling aka standards of living are falling.

As for using hot water lol.....I said in the past 20 years or so, particularly in the last 15 years, standards of living have fallen.
When you go to the supermarket and the same basket of goods costs you 15% more than it did a year ago, your standard of living has fallen because you have less disposable income.

GDP is a little crude, but it's somewhat reflective of standards of living, as I said, just research how GDP has slid
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Re: Now the americans are all for Haiti
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2010, 09:42:56 AM »
learn how to summarize I'm not going to read all that shit.

Infinite, Just because jobs are created doesn't mean that the people who are jobless are able to fill them, that was my point I just pointed out a flaw in your argument.

EDIT: WHo even says the jobs pay better?

There will naturally be people to fill the jobs.  Wherever there is benefit to be gained, people will respond to what is in their self-interest.  And if American's aren't capable of filling the positions, then workers educated in India can do the job.

And...Yo... I didn't say the jobs pay better.  I said they may pay worse.  But still our standard of living can be higher even if we are paid less.  For example, a King in the 10th Century may have had a higher paying gig then me, but yet I have warm shower and heating and cooling everywhere I go in America, and all the information and entertainment I want from all over the world at the click of a button from my cell phone.

 
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THE KIDNAPPING OF HAITI
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2010, 05:59:36 AM »
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In his latest column for the New Statesman, John Pilger describes the "swift and crude" appropriation of earthquake-ravaged Haiti by the militarised Obama administration. With George W. Bush attending to the "relief effort" and Bill Clinton the UN's man, The Comedians, Graham Greene's dark novel about exploted Haiti comes to mind.

The theft of Haiti has been swift and crude. On 22 January, the United States secured “formal approval” from the United Nations to take over all air and sea ports in Haiti, and to “secure” roads. No Haitian signed the agreement, which has no basis in law. Power rules in an American naval blockade and the arrival of 13,000 marines, special forces, spooks and mercenaries, none with humanitarian relief training.

The airport in the capital, Port-au-Prince, is now an American military base and relief flights have been re-routed to the Dominican Republic. All flights stopped for three hours for the arrival of Hillary Clinton. Critically injured Haitians waited unaided as 800 American residents in Haiti were fed, watered and evacuated. Six days passed before the US Air Force dropped bottled water to people suffering thirst and dehydration.

The first TV reports played a critical role, giving the impression of widespread criminal mayhem. Matt Frei, the BBC reporter dispatched from Washington, seemed on the point of hyperventilation as he brayed about the “violence” and need for “security”. In spite of the demonstrable dignity of the earthquake victims, and evidence of citizens’ groups toiling unaided to rescue people, and even an American general’s assessment that the violence in Haiti was considerably less than before the earthquake, Frei claimed that “looting is the only industry” and “the dignity of Haiti’s past is long forgotten.” Thus, a history of unerring US violence and exploitation in Haiti was consigned to the victims. “There’s no doubt,” reported Frei in the aftermath of America’s bloody invasion of Iraq in 2003, “that the desire to bring good, to bring American values to the rest of the world, and especially now to the Middle East... is now increasingly tied up with military power.”

In a sense, he was right. Never before in so-called peacetime have human relations been as militarised by rapacious power. Never before has an American president subordinated his government to the military establishment of his discredited predecessor, as Barack Obama has done. In pursuing George W. Bush’s policy of war and domination, Obama has sought from Congress an unprecedented military budget in excess of $700 billion. He has become, in effect, the spokesman for a military coup.

For the people of Haiti the implications are clear, if grotesque. With US troops in control of their country, Obama has appointed George W. Bush to the “relief effort”: a parody surely lifted from Graham Greene’s The Comedians, set in Papa Doc’s Haiti. As president, Bush’s relief effort following Hurricane Katrina in 2005 amounted to an ethnic cleansing of many of New Orleans’ black population. In 2004, he ordered the kidnapping of the democratically-elected prime minister of Haiti, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, and exiled him in Africa. The popular Aristide had had the temerity to legislate modest reforms, such as a minimum wage for those who toil in Haiti’s sweatshops.

When I was last in Haiti, I watched very young girls stooped in front of whirring, hissing, binding machines at the Port-au-Prince Superior Baseball Plant. Many had swollen eyes and lacerated arms. I produced a camera and was thrown out. Haiti is where America makes the equipment for its hallowed national game, for next to nothing. Haiti is where Walt Disney contractors make Mickey Mouse pjamas, for next to nothing. The US controls Haiti’s sugar, bauxite and sisal. Rice-growing was replaced by imported American rice, driving people into the cities and towns and jerry-built housing. Years after year, Haiti was invaded by US marines, infamous for atrocities that have been their specialty from the Philippines to Afghanistan.

Bill Clinton is another comedian, having got himself appointed the UN’s man in Haiti. Once fawned upon by the BBC as “Mr. Nice Guy... bringing democracy back to a sad and troubled land”, Clinton is Haiti’s most notorious privateer, demanding de-regulation of the economy for the benefit of the sweatshop barons. Lately, he has been promoting a $55m deal to turn the north of Haiti into an American-annexed “tourist playground”.

Not for tourists is the US building its fifth biggest embassy in Port-au-Prince. Oil was found in Haiti’s waters decades ago and the US has kept it in reserve until the Middle East begins to run dry. More urgently, an occupied Haiti has a strategic importance in Washington’s “rollback” plans for Latin America. The goal is the overthrow of the popular democracies in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, control of Venezuela’s abundant oil reserves and sabotage of the growing regional cooperation that has given millions their first taste of an economic and social justice long denied by US-sponsored regimes.

The first rollback success came last year with the coup against President Jose Manuel Zelaya in Honduras who also dared advocate a minimum wage and that the rich pay tax. Obama’s secret support for the illegal regime carries a clear warning to vulnerable governments in central America. Last October, the regime in Colombia, long bankrolled by Washington and supported by death squads, handed the US seven military bases to, according to US air force documents, “combat anti-US governments in the region”.

Media propaganda has laid the ground for what may well be Obama’s next war. On 14 December, researchers at the University of West England published first findings of a ten-year study of the BBC’s reporting of Venezuela. Of 304 BBC reports, only three mentioned any of the historic reforms of the Chavez government, while the majority denigrated Chavez’s extraordinary democratic record, at one point comparing him to Hitler.

Such distortion and its attendant servitude to western power are rife across the Anglo-American corporate media. People who struggle for a better life, or for life itself, from Venezuela to Honduras to Haiti, deserve our support.