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Greece Now, U.K. Next as Scots Ready for Pound Plunge
« on: March 01, 2010, 12:03:38 PM »
wait till the tides turn on the US bankrupted states and the dollar once again though :laugh: got gold?

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March 1 (Bloomberg) -- While the eyes of the world focus on Greece’s debt crisis, investors in Edinburgh are busy preparing for the U.K. to be next.

Turcan Connell, which caters to rich families, expects the pound to lose between 20 percent and 30 percent against the dollar once investors turn their sights on Britain as the government sells a record amount of debt. Sterling slid to a 10- month low versus the U.S. currency today.

“Alarm bells were ringing in Greece for a long time and when it happened, it happened very quickly,” Haig Bathgate, head of strategy at Turcan Connell, said at the company’s offices in the Scottish capital. “The U.K. is in a similar predicament. It could be hit very hard.”

Money managers in Edinburgh, where investment decisions have been made on behalf of insurers, pensioners and the wealthy for two centuries, are maneuvering to protect assets from the U.K. economy as it limps out of its worst recession on record.

Bruce Stout, whose Murray International Trust Plc in Edinburgh has doubled over the past five years, said the chance of a plummeting pound are “better than even” and his biggest holdings are in Asia and Latin America. He called sterling a “very vulnerable currency.”

U.K. fund managers at Aegon Asset Management and Scottish Widows Investment Partnership, together responsible for more than 30 billion pounds ($45 billion), said in January they are buying companies that do the bulk of their business abroad.

‘Very Dire’

“When there’s a fiscal crisis, the markets tend to punish that country very quickly,” said Bathgate, who is responsible for 560 million pounds. “I don’t think Britain is in nearly as bad a position as Greece. We’ve got a good taxation system, however the position of the economy is very dire.”

The U.K.’s budget deficit is roughly the same as Greece’s, both exceeding 12 percent of economic output. Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s said last week they may cut Greece’s credit rating as the five-month-old government struggles to curb spending and control its debt.

Concern that Greece won’t be able to cut its deficit helped send the euro 5.6 percent lower against the dollar this year. The euro today strengthened to a three-month high against the pound, trading above 90 pence.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s government in December increased its planned gilt sales for the financial year ending this month to a record 225.1 billion pounds from the 220 billion pounds announced in April. Moody’s Investors Service said in December the U.K. may “test the Aaa boundaries.”

Hung Parliament

Brown must call an election by June and some polls signal that no party will emerge with a clear majority.

The pound fell below $1.50 today for the first time since May last year, taking this year’s decline to 8 percent. A YouGov Plc poll published yesterday showed Brown’s Labour Party only two percentage points behind the opposition Conservatives, the narrowest margin for more than two years.

A so-called hung parliament or signs retail sales and economic growth aren’t recovering as expected might be the catalysts for the pound to accelerate declines, Bathgate said. The Office for National Statistics last week revised up the rate of economic growth for the fourth quarter to 0.3 percent from a previous estimate of 0.1 percent.

“There could be a number of triggers,” he said. “If there’s indecision about how you deal with a problem, that’s when things start to fall apart. We could be in the position where the spotlight turns to the U.K.”

UBS Report

The pound may fall below parity with the euro and drop to the lowest level against the dollar since the mid-1980s should the U.K. cut spending too quickly, Mansoor Mohi-Uddin, chief currency strategist at UBS AG, said in a Feb. 24 report.

Sterling slid to a nine-month nadir against the dollar last week, trading at $1.52. Zurich-based UBS, the world’s second- biggest currency trader, predicted it could fall “quickly back” to $1.05 or below.

The pound may come under further pressure with the Bank of England resuming its quantitative-easing program, a process of injecting new money into the economy, within the next three to four months, Bathgate said. Policy maker Adam Posen said Feb. 24 the central bank may expand the 200 billion-pound asset-purchase plan should the economic recovery prove weaker than expected.

“If it comes back then we’re likely to be the only people doing that in the world at that time,” said Bathgate. “My strong view is the government is trying to create inflation and devalue the currency.”

Selling Bonds

Bathgate said he sold conventional U.K. government-bond investments at the end of 2008 and only holds index-linked securities because of concern inflation may accelerate.

The firm also has reduced holdings in corporate bonds because of the potential “knock-on impact” from a decline in government securities.

The yield on the benchmark 10-year gilt dropped 24 basis points to 4.03 percent last week. The yield on Greek 10-year bonds fell 6 points to 6.39 percent. German bunds, the region’s benchmark debt, declined 18 points to 3.10 percent.

Turcan Connell, whose clients typically have at least 5 million pounds to invest, was founded in 1998 and oversees about 1 billion pounds in total. Bathgate is responsible for allocating money to different funds, and half is currently in stocks portfolios with 30 percent in hedge funds and other so- called alternative investments.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aJhONJ3Sdkqw&pos=13
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Re: Greece Now, U.K. Next as Scots Ready for Pound Plunge
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2010, 12:04:04 PM »
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Re: Greece Now, U.K. Next as Scots Ready for Pound Plunge
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Re: Greece Now, U.K. Next as Scots Ready for Pound Plunge
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 05:05:04 AM »

Matty, gold is not the solution, in fact it's a symptomn of this "brave new world" because while the middle class are under attack, it is also creating a new underclass. So in answer to your question no I don't have gold because I don't have the money to buy sufficient amounts of it and most people don't have it for the same reason. The collapse of the currency's is deliberate so then if the euro fails, then how the hell can they then sell the world currency?

Well after considering that question, the answer is they don't need to sell a world currency, or indeed if they do it's a long long way off, in fact the currency's won't go out of existence. What has happened and what was announced at the G20 meeting last year was that special drawing rights of the IMF were to be increased 10 fold. So the illusion of currency's can be continued but with the actual wealth being syphoned off to the IMF.

99.9% of people are totally fucked in this system
 

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Re: Greece Now, U.K. Next as Scots Ready for Pound Plunge
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 08:27:01 AM »
ok let me rephrase that :laugh:

got real assets?

of course the broke ass bums like me who have neither 'money' or assets don't really have much to worry about. except what to do in the future....

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 08:42:00 AM »
ok let me rephrase that :laugh:

got real assets?

of course the broke ass bums like me who have neither 'money' or assets don't really have much to worry about. except what to do in the future....

Lol mirrors my own situation