It's a shame that environmental issues have been hijacked by everyone basically

[Javier]

In this topic, let's not mention global warming.  People start crying on all sides because of that.  What about the environmental issues that affect you locally?  Are these "made up" ?  The California water crisis is a hoax too?  New Orleans soon being lost a hoax as well?  This whole idea that environmental problems are fake for a few people to profit from idea came from the fact that environmentalists themselves weren't able to convince people by simply saying, "uh let's worry about our planet yea?"  to convince people you have to communicate with them with things they understand.  The Long Beach docks in California have gone through some major environmental change because the cancer corridor that is the 710 freeway was so obvious that people wanted change.  Again, is this a hoax?  So in order for environmentalists to convince the business side of the country, the argument had to be altered.  Somehow this led to environmentalism becoming this big bad evil monster by a lot of people. 

[IRAN iz Gangsta!]

people are retards, what can u expect? look at how everyone follows everyone else like sheep....mortgage crisis is the biggest example...now its layoff and people going to school

[The Overfiend]

people are retards, what can u expect?

[virtuoso]

In this topic, let's not mention global warming.  People start crying on all sides because of that.  What about the environmental issues that affect you locally?  Are these "made up" ?  The California water crisis is a hoax too?  New Orleans soon being lost a hoax as well?  This whole idea that environmental problems are fake for a few people to profit from idea came from the fact that environmentalists themselves weren't able to convince people by simply saying, "uh let's worry about our planet yea?"  to convince people you have to communicate with them with things they understand.  The Long Beach docks in California have gone through some major environmental change because the cancer corridor that is the 710 freeway was so obvious that people wanted change.  Again, is this a hoax?  So in order for environmentalists to convince the business side of the country, the argument had to be altered.  Somehow this led to environmentalism becoming this big bad evil monster by a lot of people.  

That is the whole point, there are real environmental disasters unfolding before our very eyes and yet people have been distracted, instead stoked up about carbon dioxide!. What about the honey bees dying off? what about the genetically modified crops causing untold damage to plants and animal life? So yeah you are right there are disasters, but what I am saying is instead, the issues have been marginalised.  No one wants to talk about these issues, they have been sidelined.

[Javier]

In this topic, let's not mention global warming.  People start crying on all sides because of that.  What about the environmental issues that affect you locally?  Are these "made up" ?  The California water crisis is a hoax too?  New Orleans soon being lost a hoax as well?  This whole idea that environmental problems are fake for a few people to profit from idea came from the fact that environmentalists themselves weren't able to convince people by simply saying, "uh let's worry about our planet yea?"  to convince people you have to communicate with them with things they understand.  The Long Beach docks in California have gone through some major environmental change because the cancer corridor that is the 710 freeway was so obvious that people wanted change.  Again, is this a hoax?  So in order for environmentalists to convince the business side of the country, the argument had to be altered.  Somehow this led to environmentalism becoming this big bad evil monster by a lot of people.  

That is the whole point, there are real environmental disasters unfolding before our very eyes and yet people have been distracted, instead stoked up about carbon dioxide!. What about the honey bees dying off? what about the genetically modified crops causing untold damage to plants and animal life? So yeah you are right there are disasters, but what I am saying is instead, the issues have been marginalised.  No one wants to talk about these issues, they have been sidelined.

Yeah but in order to get attention to these smaller issues we have to make the connection the big picture.  These smaller issues are definitely not being ignored though.  What does hurt the smaller issues is the constant question of environmental issues by non-progressive people. 

[virtuoso]

Carbon dioxide and temperature have absolutely nothing to do with GM.
GM is one of the red flags that goes up when the issue of honey bees dying came to prominence. Yet, largely, no one mentioned GM in connection with this, instead, "the suspect" is mobile phones. The politicians have endorsed GM, Monsanto has a vice like monopoly grip, climate change has received huge amounts of press, the media have largely blacked out opposing views, they have had the floor to widen this, but they don't.

Of course there is a huge incentive to tax everything you do, after all, all activity creates carbon dioxide. This would have happened had they have reached a more definite agreement at Copenhagen. The times where GM has been covered in this country, the people against it have been depicted as crazy extremists.

They don't give a fuck about the real issues

[Matty]

just need to connect the dots of our physical reality and how it is critical to all of our futures. things might be hopeless right now, but sustainability and recyling will be a huge part of an evolved, high technology society.

our current 'money' as a flawed accounting system considering scarce physical resources. we must entirely redefine our value systems in the long term.

just to throw this out there and thinking of solutions instead of conspiracies - if it was up to you, what are the things, material or not, that you would assign value to? how would this move us toward an ideal society...

[virtuoso]

Well as it's apparent the whole system is failing by design, then we must surely understand what their plans are. Now this is something I haven't fully understood because I thought the carbon quota system would be their new system but as that hasn't materialised in the way which we were expecting it to, I don't know.

I know some economists want a total reform, i.e. take the power out of private hands to create the money, and create the money with no interest levied against it.  For it is usury which has brought about all of this, we run out of credit lines domestically, so instead we fight for exports.

That's their premise