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some examples of classics..comparisons from previous to later albums....anythin like that...im tryna see what others consider classics...
for example many consider jay-z reasonable doubt classic
but then someone recently said they like or think black album is better/more classic...stuff like that
and what are your thoughts on people sayin....a classic could be defined dependin on how many times you listen to somethin, or the replay value etc....
also does record sales, views, etc...have anythin to do wit it bein a classic?
can a classic have low sales and still be a classic? or the amount of time someone talks and listens to a song, album etc...
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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2010, 09:16:42 PM »
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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2010, 09:19:59 PM »
I think a classic is something that is timeless and/or was a trendsetter.  Beyond that I have personal classics that just remind of good times in my life.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2010, 09:25:46 PM »
can you choose one thats better or are they equal in greatness?



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adon can you give examples of what a timeless classic is? or what set a trend? and the trend settin will be interestin cuz theres so many but bring it...lol
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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2010, 09:39:25 PM »
can you choose one thats better or are they equal in greatness?
I think comparing "classics" is an out there thing to do especially when it's something like "Illmatic" and "Stillmatic" or "Chronic" and "2001". For an artist to have one masterpiece at one point in their career and then reinvent it several years later, that's something else altogether. At that point, it comes down to your personal feelings on that album.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2010, 09:53:28 PM »
can you choose one thats better or are they equal in greatness?



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adon can you give examples of what a timeless classic is? or what set a trend? and the trend settin will be interestin cuz theres so many but bring it...lol

Like Jimmy said, they are different but classics in their own right. Like Adon said also, for me the music reflects on my life. I can remember chillin at the house when I first heard Stillmatic or going through some hard times listening to Illmatic. Classic albums in alot of ways become the soundtrack to your life. It goes beyond just a dope beat or rhyme.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2010, 09:55:51 PM »
true but can 1 album or song be more classic than another song or album...especially in the case of two different rappers?
so 1 rappers album vs another rappers album?
like if cham says big l's album>>>>biggie's album...




can you choose one thats better or are they equal in greatness?



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adon can you give examples of what a timeless classic is? or what set a trend? and the trend settin will be interestin cuz theres so many but bring it...lol

Like Jimmy said, they are different but classics in their own right. Like Adon said also, for me the music reflects on my life. I can remember chillin at the house when I first heard Stillmatic or going through some hard times listening to Illmatic. Classic albums in alot of ways become the soundtrack to your life. It goes beyond just a dope beat or rhyme.
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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2010, 10:03:47 PM »
I used to be the type that would enjoy rank, compare, list, whatever albums but right now it seems kind of silly.  If it's a classic album, it's a classic album there isn't really a need to see which classic is better.  You can argue, which might have a bigger impact in the music genre it is but other than that it's all up to the listener. 
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2010, 10:22:28 PM »
true but can 1 album or song be more classic than another song or album...especially in the case of two different rappers?
so 1 rappers album vs another rappers album?
like if cham says big l's album>>>>biggie's album...




can you choose one thats better or are they equal in greatness?



Illmatic & Stillmatic from Nas



adon can you give examples of what a timeless classic is? or what set a trend? and the trend settin will be interestin cuz theres so many but bring it...lol

Like Jimmy said, they are different but classics in their own right. Like Adon said also, for me the music reflects on my life. I can remember chillin at the house when I first heard Stillmatic or going through some hard times listening to Illmatic. Classic albums in alot of ways become the soundtrack to your life. It goes beyond just a dope beat or rhyme.

A classic is a classic to me. I really do not try to read into which is better because the albums I consider classic, are for different reasons.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2010, 10:26:19 PM »
true but can 1 album or song be more classic than another song or album...especially in the case of two different rappers?
so 1 rappers album vs another rappers album?
like if cham says big l's album>>>>biggie's album...
I think a true masterpiece will stand on its own. There is always gonna be comparisons in the music, just like there will be with artists who perform, but in most cases, it's hard to say if something is more of a classic than something else. It's usually either a classic or it isn't.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2010, 10:58:22 PM »
yeah definitely a true masterpiece, something that I can listen to forever basically.  Also, no filler tracks, except for 1 (MAYBE.)  For example, I consider Q-Tip's the Renaissance as a classic because I LOVE every single track and I believe that the sound that he displays in the album will be something that I can bump to in 10 years.  It's that good, I can guarantee you this album is soooooo underrated IMO.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 12:08:23 AM »
i think there are different ranks of classic.

like Illmatic is a classic & Reasonable Doubt is a classic, but they are on two way different levels.

Illmatic is like Top 5 albums in Hip Hop history & Reasonable Doubt is like Top 30, maybe lol.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 12:27:47 AM »
just some personal classics:

Fire by Elzhi Ft. Black Milk

Desire by Pharoah Monch

illmatic by nas

revolutionary volume 2 by immortal technique

imagine freestyle by crooked i

hustler's ambition by 50

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2010, 03:59:31 PM »
a classic album is an album you listen to from start to finish and enjoy with out skipping a track.

i dont think it has anything to do with trend setting. Soulja Boy started a trend of dancing like a fucking idiot, would people call his music classic?

i think people are too caught up with other peoples opinions when it comes to "classic albums" and they dont really have an opinion theirselves.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2010, 04:13:27 PM »
^that's what i've been sayin', dawg.

just because you set trends doesn't mean shit, it's the music on the disc that counts.

you can have the coolest album cover ever, but that doesn't mean your album is good; not trying to say the music isn't classic, but i wouldn't rate it higher than other music because it has more impact on the game.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2010, 04:16:47 PM »
It seems that when people mention trends in a classic album, they're usually referring to the music. 
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2010, 04:29:21 PM »
It seems that when people mention trends in a classic album, they're usually referring to the music. 

i don't know man.

the other day i was talking in the West Coast section about "The Chronic" & it's impact because EVERYONE & their mother was wearing a chronic leaf necklace/chain.

personally, i feel that's more of a gimmicky thing on the side, opposed to the music that's on the disc; which is straight up classic, don't get me wrong.
 

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2010, 04:33:33 PM »
It seems that when people mention trends in a classic album, they're usually referring to the music. 

i don't know man.

the other day i was talking in the West Coast section about "The Chronic" & it's impact because EVERYONE & their mother was wearing a chronic leaf necklace/chain.

personally, i feel that's more of a gimmicky thing on the side, opposed to the music that's on the disc; which is straight up classic, don't get me wrong.

Of course there's silly stuff like that, but usually it's about the music.  For example, The Strokes' "Is This It" was seen as an album that revived garage rock which ended up being a trend in the early 00s with all these other bands that followed that formula. 
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2010, 05:35:15 PM »
to me a classic is work that sets a standard by being hella creative or just downright good and pleasing to the ear and stands the test of time, take warren g's first album for instance i personally thought the lyrics succ'd ass on alot of the songs but the way the music meshed with his simple style made the album irresistible despite the lyrics not really being that great,everything related to warren as a person and his music. i can still bang that shit today and ride out to it and it sounds just as good it's timeless yell
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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2010, 05:59:21 PM »
(not even for shock, i never do)

but it could be argued that Lil' Jon put out a classic Hip Hop record.  even tho there was 3-6 from way back, Lil' Jon gave Hip Hop that new era digital hip hop as far as producing tracks and making hooks go.  In this situation 3-6 could be Cold 187um and Lil' Jon could be Dr. Dre lol.  

u already know NWA made rap more honest and edgy, we already know about "The 80's in New York", and Dre and Tim making tha sound more broader again in tha late 90's, and then Lil' Jon gave us the commercial music sound we all hear today (as far as industrial hip hop records), then Kanye and some more shit.  

i dont wanna be tha attention whore but that's some real shit.  even if you dont like the music.
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2010, 06:01:28 PM »
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dre>>>commercial muzik
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2010, 06:03:52 PM »
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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2010, 06:09:32 PM »
never ever, but big hutch in the same sentence as 3-6 mafia...damn what the hell is wrong with you radiotube?
twerk....serious? lol
dre>>>commercial muzik

hell yea 36 most definitely can b in the same sentence as big hutch hands down that old triple six shit dj paul/juicy j have always made some cold ass beats they consistent as fuck
 

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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song (updated)
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2010, 06:11:25 PM »
back then yeah...but now damn.....they def on somethin...syrup or somethin...lol




never ever, but big hutch in the same sentence as 3-6 mafia...damn what the hell is wrong with you radiotube?
twerk....serious? lol
dre>>>commercial muzik

hell yea 36 most definitely can b in the same sentence as big hutch hands down that old triple six shit dj paul/juicy j have always made some cold ass beats they consistent as fuck
damn u still havent logged off...ur hurting everyone with all this wack shit u drop, it hurts more then getting the swine flu
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Re: whats your definition/example of a classic album/song
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2010, 06:13:57 PM »
I think a classic is something that is timeless and/or was a trendsetter.  Beyond that I have personal classics that just remind of good times in my life.