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Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« on: April 04, 2010, 04:34:18 PM »
No intelligent hip hop head would argue this point.  In terms of flow and delivery it's an insult to even compare the two.  The only thing Jay stans can say is lyrically, but even then Jay is nothing compared to EM.  Jay really progressed lyrically AT ALL since his first album, sad.



Also, don't give this "11 number 1 albums" bullshit, because EM has still outsold Jay in terms of albums sales with less albums, and if EM released 3-4 albums an year he'd have 20+ number 1 albums. 




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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 04:47:53 PM »
Not arguing with that!
 

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 04:50:26 PM »
Eminem I would say overall is better but he fell off way harder than Jay did lyrically, especially last year

Blueprint 3 > Relapse from a lyrical standpoint, but both albums were pretty ass and the production made both

I ride with Em over Jay any day though  8)
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 04:57:53 PM »
Eminem I would say overall is better but he fell off way harder than Jay did lyrically, especially last year

Blueprint 3 > Relapse from a lyrical standpoint, but both albums were pretty ass and the production made both

I ride with Em over Jay any day though  8)


come on now, what exactly did prove lyrically on BP3?  Just rhyming about how rich is cool he is?  I was bored to death after 4 tracks on that nonsense.  EM destroyed tracks like Deja Vu on Relapse.  Plus his two features on the Drake and that Wayne joint >>> Bp3
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 05:03:59 PM »
Eminem I would say overall is better but he fell off way harder than Jay did lyrically, especially last year

Blueprint 3 > Relapse from a lyrical standpoint, but both albums were pretty ass and the production made both

I ride with Em over Jay any day though  8)


come on now, what exactly did prove lyrically on BP3?  Just rhyming about how rich is cool he is?  I was bored to death after 4 tracks on that nonsense.  EM destroyed tracks like Deja Vu on Relapse.  Plus his two features on the Drake and that Wayne joint >>> Bp3

Relapse had those tracks were Em went off like on "3 AM", "Deja Vu", "Stay Wide Awake", and "Underground", and the rest was simply just Eminem joking around on tracks with a wack accent, minus a few other personal tracks like "Beautiful", basically Relapse was a collection of wasted Dre beats... I do agree on all of those joints you named being better than all of Jay's recent work though but still as an album at least with BP3 I can listen to some tracks for more than just the instrumental

now if Eminem would have rapped more like he did on "Drop The World" and "Forever" on Relapse, that would have been one hell of an album and would easily shit on BP3 and most albums that dropped last year
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 05:09:41 PM »
this could go either way.

but em fell off worse then hova did. That paki voice he uses and the dumb music videos hes put out are just retarded.

Jay has just slowed down the flow and the lyrics are just your basic themes; cars, money, sucessful career etc.

I think Em still has great songs in him, i was diggin the a couple on the relapse album and the leftovers album and same goes for jay, he still puts out great songs.

But that being said they both have great prodeucers behind them so they will always stay listenable.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 05:18:30 PM »
Em always was always will be.

When ever you hear Jay-z talked he said he the best blah blah against BIG, Pac but his tone always humble when Eminem is mentioned. Something i noticed.  Even he knows Em is better.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 05:21:32 PM »
this could go either way.

but em fell off worse then hova did. That paki voice he uses and the dumb music videos hes put out are just retarded.

Jay has just slowed down the flow and the lyrics are just your basic themes; cars, money, sucessful career etc.

I think Em still has great songs in him, i was diggin the a couple on the relapse album and the leftovers album and same goes for jay, he still puts out great songs.

But that being said they both have great prodeucers behind them so they will always stay listenable.


you say EM fell off worse then Jay, but Jay has been the same since he came in the game, EM has been up and down but still is at a much higher level then Jay
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 05:24:17 PM »
this could go either way.

but em fell off worse then hova did. That paki voice he uses and the dumb music videos hes put out are just retarded.

Jay has just slowed down the flow and the lyrics are just your basic themes; cars, money, sucessful career etc.

I think Em still has great songs in him, i was diggin the a couple on the relapse album and the leftovers album and same goes for jay, he still puts out great songs.

But that being said they both have great prodeucers behind them so they will always stay listenable.


you say EM fell off worse then Jay, but Jay has been the same since he came in the game, EM has been up and down but still is at a much higher level then Jay

i dont think so. Do you own every jay-z album? i bet you dont.....
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 05:31:21 PM »
this could go either way.

but em fell off worse then hova did. That paki voice he uses and the dumb music videos hes put out are just retarded.

Jay has just slowed down the flow and the lyrics are just your basic themes; cars, money, sucessful career etc.

I think Em still has great songs in him, i was diggin the a couple on the relapse album and the leftovers album and same goes for jay, he still puts out great songs.

But that being said they both have great prodeucers behind them so they will always stay listenable.


you say EM fell off worse then Jay, but Jay has been the same since he came in the game, EM has been up and down but still is at a much higher level then Jay

i dont think so. Do you own every jay-z album? i bet you dont.....

I own 4 of this albums, and DLed the rest, what the fuck does that prove?


I didn't waste my money on BP3 so opinion on him is invalid?
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 05:33:33 PM »
nope. i just thought you didnt own any of his albums and had a biased opinion.

 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 05:46:25 PM »
it's non-debateable.

Eminem is 5 times Jay.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 06:00:30 PM »
Jay > Em in my opinion.

Eminem has released too much childish bullshit.

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 06:19:55 PM »
Eminem I would say overall is better but he fell off way harder than Jay did lyrically, especially last year

Blueprint 3 > Relapse from a lyrical standpoint, but both albums were pretty ass and the production made both

I ride with Em over Jay any day though  8)

I can't agree with that. BP3 was very average lyrically. Imo Jay's bragging raps are more played out than Eminem's horror raps.

Jay kinda fell off after his "retirement", Eminem fell off on Encore.. now he's more focused than he was before his break. Jay's more mainstream he has ever been.
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 06:22:36 PM »
Although I agree that em is better by a long ways,its hard to take someone criticzing jays lyrical content seriously when their favourite rapper is snoop dogg.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 06:24:42 PM »
I do think that Jay-Z has more classic material than Eminem though. And that Reasonable Doubt is better than any Eminem ablum.
 

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2010, 06:25:18 PM »
Discography: Jay
Subject matter: Jay
Freestyling: Em
Flow: Em
Versatility: Jay
Voice: Jay
Consistency: Jay

There's no debating that Em can outshine ANYBODY on their own shit, but Jay takes it because of his insane discography and superior subject matter.
If Em had been more consistent, released more quality, and didn't confuse "originality" with childish voices and childish toilet-jokes, he might be up there.

And this thread will be locked soon, (re: rules) so get your replies in while it's still open.

 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2010, 06:30:13 PM »
How is Jay's subject matter any better than Eminem's?
Cool breeze; I'm hopping out of new Beams
My outfit ran me a few G's but none of that will matter if you leave
I used to be an Adam with two Eves and shawtys automatically do me
Excuse me, all that happened before you doesn't matter
I'm a vision of the future climbing the success ladder
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2010, 06:32:34 PM »
No intelligent hip hop head would argue this point.  
So why create the thread?
 

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2010, 06:36:01 PM »
How is Jay's subject matter any better than Eminem's?


Yeah I dont see that either.Eminem has made a lot more deep songs then Jay.Jay isnt even capable of getting deep,hes shallow and it comes out in his music.He raps about the same few subjects over and over ad nauseum.
 

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2010, 06:36:56 PM »
How is Jay's subject matter any better than Eminem's?


it used to be

Eminem I would say overall is better but he fell off way harder than Jay did lyrically, especially last year

Blueprint 3 > Relapse from a lyrical standpoint, but both albums were pretty ass and the production made both

I ride with Em over Jay any day though  8)

I can't agree with that. BP3 was very average lyrically. Imo Jay's bragging raps are more played out than Eminem's horror raps.

Jay kinda fell off after his "retirement", Eminem fell off on Encore.. now he's more focused than he was before his break. Jay's more mainstream he has ever been.

I agree with that last statement but as far as Relapse I can't say Em was focused on that at all, dude even admit it later on months after its release
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2010, 06:37:54 PM »
How is Jay's subject matter any better than Eminem's?


Yeah I dont see that either.Eminem has made a lot more deep songs then Jay.Jay isnt even capable of getting deep,hes shallow and it comes out in his music.He raps about the same few subjects over and over ad nauseum.


I think Jay dropped those deeper songs before his 1st retirement. Not as personal as Eminem but Reasonable Doubt & Blueprint both had deeper songs.


Like BloodMoney2010 said it used be better than Eminem's

@bloodmoney2010 well yeah, but i think he was more focused than he was when he dropped enocre. And now he definitely seems to be focused.. judging by Drop the World & Forever verses
 

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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2010, 06:41:23 PM »
Jay didnt make deeper songs then stan,cleanin out my closet,lose yourself etc.
 

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2010, 06:45:20 PM »
Jay didnt make deeper songs then stan,cleanin out my closet,lose yourself etc.

Jay-Z never made any "deep" tracks but he had a couple songs from his older albums that were on some real shit... "Regrets", "A Week Ago", "Some How, Some Way", etc.