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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2010, 06:46:01 PM »
Jay has some deep work, but it's silly to compare their content because they both come from different backgrounds.

Eminem has his share of silly subject matter songs, but usually those songs are better than Jay's deep ones.

Kill You
Criminal
I Still Don't Give A Fuck

or any song on his earlier shit where he was basically talking about killing other people are lyrically & flow wise better than almost anyone.

people overlook Eminem's "Infinite" album, but that shit is fucking BOMB to me; personal classic.

so for me Em's got 3 classics, one above average album (TES), one average album (Relapse) & one shit album (Encore; with a few good songs).

Jay's got Reasonable Doubt & The Black Album & honestly, i mean, yeah, Eminem's last two CDs were major fall offs, but i personally feel Jay-Z has a lot weaker material than Eminem does.

maybe Jay doesn't rap about ridiculous things & have an accent, but just straight up "blah, weak" songs.

Em has the ridiculous accent & subject matter on Relapse, but at least his incredible flow & top notch production by Dre made up for it to make it an average album in my mind.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2010, 06:53:04 PM »
Content wise: Encore > Relapse

Production: Relapse > Encore

Flow: Encore = Relapse
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2010, 06:54:50 PM »
I'm not saying Jay doesn't have his share of deep, reflective music, I just don't see how he's any better than what Eminem spits about. 
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2010, 06:56:52 PM »
Content wise: Encore > Relapse

Production: Relapse > Encore

Flow: Encore = Relapse

i would say the best songs on Encore are better than the best songs on Relapse; but up & down the tracklistings Relapse is more solid.

i guess we just disagree on the flow because i felt his flow on Relapse was untouchable; "Stay Wide Awake" was just mind blowing in terms of flow lol.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2010, 06:57:19 PM »
Jays disccography is over rated.Hes got the big hits no doubt nobody can take that way from him.Theirs something to be said for someone who can have a concert and play an hour and a half of nothing but hit songs.But his albums arent that great I feel his discography really isnt that good.Blue print 2 and 3 were both 6 out of 10s at best.Kingdome come was average though I felt he was taking steps forward lyrical content wise,then took a huge step back with american gangster.Vol 1 2 and 3 were all average.Black album was great as was reasonable doubt.But the rest,meh.
 

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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2010, 07:01:56 PM »
And this thread will be locked soon, (re: rules) so get your replies in while it's still open.
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2010, 08:03:11 PM »
Discography: Jay
Subject matter: Jay
Freestyling: Em
Flow: Em
Versatility: Jay
Voice: Jay
Consistency: Jay

There's no debating that Em can outshine ANYBODY on their own shit, but Jay takes it because of his insane discography and superior subject matter.
If Em had been more consistent, released more quality, and didn't confuse "originality" with childish voices and childish toilet-jokes, he might be up there.




I agree. Jay Z has stayed consistent whereas Em has fallen the fuck off. Em really needs to pick up on R2

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2010, 08:11:15 PM »
Discography: Jay
Subject matter: Jay
Freestyling: Em
Flow: Em
Versatility: Jay
Voice: Jay
Consistency: Jay



i actually find myself pretty much agreeing with this. Only thing i would say is that i dont like either onces voice, though jiggaz voice is more versatile where it can fit on more different beats. And also that 'lyrically' was missed from the list. Because while subject matter is linked to being lyrically superior...sometimes just because your mind is in a better place, doesnt mean you're better with a pen and pad...an example...two gangsta rappers...same subject matter dont mean they lyrically equal...one can still be lyrically superior...thats how u seperate the best from the average....for example...your nas' from your wannabe nas'

 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2010, 09:19:29 PM »
Jays disccography is over rated.Hes got the big hits no doubt nobody can take that way from him.Theirs something to be said for someone who can have a concert and play an hour and a half of nothing but hit songs.But his albums arent that great I feel his discography really isnt that good.Blue print 2 and 3 were both 6 out of 10s at best.Kingdome come was average though I felt he was taking steps forward lyrical content wise,then took a huge step back with american gangster.Vol 1 2 and 3 were all average.Black album was great as was reasonable doubt.But the rest,meh.

I bump,

Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint 1
Black Album
Kingdom Come
American Gangster
Blueprint 3

Everything else I don't care for.  I totally agree with you about Kingdom Come being a fresh spot for Jay.  It was clear he wanted to mature his take on hip-hop as he aged but the public didn't want it so he backed down.  Though, while I understand the critique of American Gangster as a fallback, I enjoy the return to the hustler perspective with a more in depth approach.  Plus, I love a couple of the Marvin mash ups that came from the album being released.  I actually thought Blueprint 3 was another attempt at maturing hip-hop but through critiquing others and co-signing new cats - Drake, Cudi, Mr.Hudson, J. Cole.  (I'm not oblivious to the fact most of them are related to his paycheck).
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2010, 09:24:42 PM »
i would say the best songs on Encore are better than the best songs on Relapse; but up & down the tracklistings Relapse is more solid.
I'd pretty much agree. "Relapse" was a more complete album. "Encore" had some real excellent tracks that I enjoyed but there was at least 6 or so songs where it literally seemed like he was just trying to see if he could make hits out of the most nosensical subject matter possible.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2010, 09:25:37 PM »
i would say the best songs on Encore are better than the best songs on Relapse; but up & down the tracklistings Relapse is more solid.
I'd pretty much agree. "Relapse" was a more complete album. "Encore" had some real excellent tracks that I enjoyed but there was at least 6 or so songs where it literally seemed like he was just trying to see if he could make hits out of the most nosensical subject matter possible.

Which ones?
Cool breeze; I'm hopping out of new Beams
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I used to be an Adam with two Eves and shawtys automatically do me
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2010, 09:27:03 PM »
2 overrated rappers...but if i had to choose jay is better
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2010, 10:46:22 PM »
Jay flow is same since forever,nothing changed,and subject metter.
Em change hes flow etc. I mean 2 different styyle of music. cant compere,but they got one song together,and we all know whos kill that shit. ;)
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2010, 12:37:42 AM »
Discography: Jay
Subject matter: Jay
Freestyling: Em
Flow: Em
Versatility: Jay
Voice: Jay
Consistency: Jay

There's no debating that Em can outshine ANYBODY on their own shit, but Jay takes it because of his insane discography and superior subject matter.
If Em had been more consistent, released more quality, and didn't confuse "originality" with childish voices and childish toilet-jokes, he might be up there.

And this thread will be locked soon, (re: rules) so get your replies in while it's still open.



but you're a Jay-Z groupie  :wavey:

Content wise: Encore > Relapse

Production: Relapse > Encore

Flow: Encore = Relapse
more like Relapse> Encore

on Encore he sounds a bit tired
« Last Edit: April 05, 2010, 12:40:44 AM by From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter »
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2010, 01:14:15 AM »
cant argue with that


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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2010, 02:34:14 AM »
Discography: Jay
Subject matter: Jay
Freestyling: Em
Flow: Em
Versatility: Jay
Voice: Jay
Consistency: Jay

There's no debating that Em can outshine ANYBODY on their own shit, but Jay takes it because of his insane discography and superior subject matter.
If Em had been more consistent, released more quality, and didn't confuse "originality" with childish voices and childish toilet-jokes, he might be up there.

And this thread will be locked soon, (re: rules) so get your replies in while it's still open.



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Does anyone still listen to Eminem albums in 2010? No replay value at all.

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2010, 06:32:56 AM »
em was good for a couple of albums until he ran out of material and started making silly noises/accents, obsessing over celebrity culture. jay has stayed 'reasonable' for a much longer period of time...